Was sex Adam and Eve part of the curse
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The is a yes and no .we don't know the original way to multiply the word Parah is something only heaven can Do.knowing this has a understanding beyond man mind .yet today Parah is multiplying ask the Seed of The Holy Spirit , Jesus bear fruit single So That she me The plan is to get back to the original perfect even tho the first perfection Got manipulated can I recall God says it was good because the new perfect plan is much better anyway and all who come to him are His! Just call it born of the spirit of God.. there are lots of factors look how many eggs female is born with .The unimaginable for men mind I wouldn't think God makes waste I mean look at the food after many were fed they picked up the scraps so there was no waste. We can go on and on with what ifs, this or that I don't think we should really be focusing on this type of questioning anyway is it really of the Lord or is it just men being men?
Cussing and name‑calling aren’t “allowed” in any biblical sense; Scripture flatly forbids reviling (1 Cor 5:11), corrupt speech (Eph 4:29), and insulting a brother (Matt 5:22), but it does allow sharp, cutting argument against the idea, not the person. As humans we all stuggle with it. All I can say is remind them of what scripture says on the matter and walk away if it persists.
Yeah, why didn't they? The only thing God told them to do, yet what they did was the only thing God told them NOT to do.
"Cussing" is highly subjective. A jackass is a male donkey and the term is used as a criticism because male donkeys can be particularly unreasonable and aggressive.
As for "name calling", it is generally frowned upon, but please be careful to note the distinction between calling a person an unpleasant name and calling their behaviour by an unpleasant descriptor. I have called people "liar", "false teacher" and "heretic" because their own words (which I would normally quote) warrant those appellations.
Just stay focused on God and stop bothering with it. Sex is hurtful and shameful, especially for women, by design it's only purposes are consummation of marriage and reproduction of new human beings. Anything else is about transaction and subjugation.
Adam and Eve having offspring is essentially being "born again."
Adam=water,
Eve=blood,
seed=spirit.
John 3:6
Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit.
The serpent knows what he was doing,which is why he deceived Eve and not Adam before they had offspring.He went after the blood.
All of this relates to living Arks and offerings.
Adam=water,
Eve=blood,
seed=spirit.
John 3:6
Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit.
The serpent knows what he was doing,which is why he deceived Eve and not Adam before they had offspring.He went after the blood.
All of this relates to living Arks and offerings.
Has it occurred to you that infidelity and porn are nowhere near exclusively "male" problems?
You’re right. However, there’s more men involved with porn than women, as well as infidelity. Either way, there’s situations like this showing up in addiction programs like Celebrate Recovery.
No, that is not correct. It's about even. What you might be overlooking is that men and women *generally* use different *kinds* of porn.
As for infidelity, it usually involves one of each.
Please provide "explicitly" (chapter/verse) where God ever revealed Adam and Eve did have or did not have sex before they sinned.
I am willing to look into "implicit" verses or "harmonizing" verses which indicate Adam and Eve did have or did not have sex before they sinned. If you have that information, please provide and I'll look into it ... thanks.
speculation is nothing more than guessing. When dealing with God's Word, it's best to rely on chapter and verse. Since God did not reveal what OP claimed, all else is speculation ... kind of like whether Adam and Eve had belly buttons (rut row ... another can of worms opened).
When you provide specific proof (chapter and verse) concerning the issue, I will stand corrected in my reliance on Deuteronomy 29:29 to infer we do not know whether or not Adam and Eve had sexual relations before the fall.
For all we know, we're delving into matters God does not want us to delve into.
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It is truly disheartening to see what satan has done to deceive folks into believing what God provided for a married couple to enjoy has turned into something "hurtful and shameful, especially for women" or that the marriage bed is nothing but "transaction and subjugation".
so sorry you believe that, Lovette.
I believe marriage is sacred; that marriage is for believers* to enjoy; that husband and wife are each instructed to render due benevolence to each other; that there may be circumstances when it is proper to abstain for a time; that husband and wife should come together again that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
* I don't mean to imply that unbelievers are not able to enjoy marriage ... I'm just not sure unbelievers are able to enjoy the true fruit of the Spirit love (agapē) experienced between a man and woman who both love God with all their heart, soul, mind, and strength.
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I believe that there was intimacy between Adam and eve in the garden. But scripture shows us that conception is of the Lord.
Gen 4:25 And Adam had connection with his wife again, and she gave birth to a son to whom she gave the name of Seth: for she said, God has given me another seed in place of Abel, whom Cain put to death
As we know not every act of intimacy brings a child. But what we do learn is that without God we cannot be fruitful.
Mrk 10:27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
The responses in this thread are so disappointing, yet typical. Folks think they know everything about the Bible and then forbid anyone from discussing it. Unbelievable. So, because YOU don't have the answers, why should anyone else? Such narcissism and paranoia will destroy the Church. This is why Christianity is dying. People need answers and yet you hinder people from finding said answers.
Moreover...
The Genesis creation account is not some 'nursery rhyme' to be interpreted through the lens of a "babies come from storks" mindset. Are there any adults here? So far, all I see are 'milk drinkers'. We have the entire Bible at our disposal to help us unravel whether the man and woman had intercourse. It's not rocket science.
*WARNING* Those of you who despise logic and common sense, please stop reading before you short circuit.
Anyhow...
The Tree of Life and sex are not compatible. You people should know this. Angels in Heaven are not "having sex and eating from the Tree of Life". Think about what you are teaching. Don't be so paranoid about this topic that you become irresponsible. Atheists pick up on this and will mock you to your face for being so ignorant.
But whatever, let's pretend that such blasphemy is occurring. So now you have two people, WHO ARE IMMORTAL, who never age, somehow making babies. How does that work exactly? Does Adam have immortal sperm? How does the zygote age if it is immortal? Come on people... use some common sense here.
Scripture teaches that there was no death before the Fall:
What happens to all of the sperm inside the woman when the man plants his seed in her? Does the sperm live forever? No death means no death. You folks have no idea what Genesis teaches. "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge."
Again, was there death and sin before the Fall?
I will try to help...
The man and woman did not have a physical body before they partook of the Forbidden Fruit. Do you understand?
NAKED MEANS NO PHYSICAL BODY!!!
Use your Bible to unpack the story:
So obviously the man and woman could not procreate without a body. Again, this is common sense and logic which seems to be forbidden around here for some reason. There is a Spirit at work for sure.
Pay attention. This is when God gave them a body:
Those of you sucking on the baby bottle were told that 'God killed an animal and dressed them'. That is more nursery rhyme nonsense.
Let Scripture interpret Scripture:
Now do you understand what 'coats of skins' means?
Again:
being clothed we shall not be found naked
Being clothed with what? A body.
As I mentioned earlier, 'no shame' means they had no reproductive organs:
God did not originally create them with shame. Eden was a Heavenly place before the Fall. There is no sex in Heaven. So why do you teach that? You people are making rookie mistakes. Just stop already.
It was the Fall that caused the man and woman to be corrupted with the shame we have now. They made a covenant with death and God gave them what they wanted. God clothed them with an earthly tabernacle, complete with all the bells and whistles to make babies through sin and death. The man and woman tried to cover their shame, i.e., cover their new body parts.
The more you know.
| Luke 11:52 - Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered. |
Moreover...
The Genesis creation account is not some 'nursery rhyme' to be interpreted through the lens of a "babies come from storks" mindset. Are there any adults here? So far, all I see are 'milk drinkers'. We have the entire Bible at our disposal to help us unravel whether the man and woman had intercourse. It's not rocket science.
*WARNING* Those of you who despise logic and common sense, please stop reading before you short circuit.
Anyhow...
The Tree of Life and sex are not compatible. You people should know this. Angels in Heaven are not "having sex and eating from the Tree of Life". Think about what you are teaching. Don't be so paranoid about this topic that you become irresponsible. Atheists pick up on this and will mock you to your face for being so ignorant.
But whatever, let's pretend that such blasphemy is occurring. So now you have two people, WHO ARE IMMORTAL, who never age, somehow making babies. How does that work exactly? Does Adam have immortal sperm? How does the zygote age if it is immortal? Come on people... use some common sense here.
Scripture teaches that there was no death before the Fall:
| Romans 5:12 - Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: |
What happens to all of the sperm inside the woman when the man plants his seed in her? Does the sperm live forever? No death means no death. You folks have no idea what Genesis teaches. "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge."
Again, was there death and sin before the Fall?
| James 1:15 - Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. |
| Psalms 51:5 - Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. |
I will try to help...
The man and woman did not have a physical body before they partook of the Forbidden Fruit. Do you understand?
NAKED MEANS NO PHYSICAL BODY!!!
Use your Bible to unpack the story:
| 2 Corinthians 5:1-4 - For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. |
So obviously the man and woman could not procreate without a body. Again, this is common sense and logic which seems to be forbidden around here for some reason. There is a Spirit at work for sure.
Pay attention. This is when God gave them a body:
| Genesis 3:21 - Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. |
Those of you sucking on the baby bottle were told that 'God killed an animal and dressed them'. That is more nursery rhyme nonsense.
Let Scripture interpret Scripture:
| Job 10:11 - Thou hast clothed me with skin and flesh, and hast fenced me with bones and sinews. |
Now do you understand what 'coats of skins' means?
Again:
being clothed we shall not be found naked
Being clothed with what? A body.
As I mentioned earlier, 'no shame' means they had no reproductive organs:
| Genesis 2:25 - And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed. |
God did not originally create them with shame. Eden was a Heavenly place before the Fall. There is no sex in Heaven. So why do you teach that? You people are making rookie mistakes. Just stop already.
| Revelation 16:15 - Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. |
It was the Fall that caused the man and woman to be corrupted with the shame we have now. They made a covenant with death and God gave them what they wanted. God clothed them with an earthly tabernacle, complete with all the bells and whistles to make babies through sin and death. The man and woman tried to cover their shame, i.e., cover their new body parts.
The more you know.
This is nothing but Christian hubris. As a matter of fact, marriage is NOT a unique custome for Christians, it's for all mankind; it was not even a Christian thing until the fourth Latheran council in about mid 13th century, and there's no guarantee that it'd be enjoyable for Christians, nor is there any guarantee that there is a happy marriage reserved for every good Christian in the first place. Satan's real deception is this "prosperity gospel", that God will reward your faith and devotion with worldly blessings. That is what's truly disheartening to hear.