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lrs68 said:
This is actually interesting because Allah is just the Arabic and Aramaic name for the word God.

Allah is not an actual name.
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lrs68:
There are more connections between Islam and Judeo-Christian history. You are correct that Allah is from the same root as many ancient Hebrew names derived from. For the Hebrews "God" started off as EL which was a name for God across much of the early middle eastern cultures. In the earliest understanding, The God of Israel was a member of the Divine Council and was given Israel as His "inheritance." This occurs in the Song of Moses (Deuteronomy 32 especially in verse 9 and 4:19-20, Psalms 78:71 and 94:14), which describes the Most High (often read as Elyon) dividing the earth's nations and assigning them to various divine beings or sons of God land where only He was God. There were other versions that evolved from EL including:
  1. Elohim – God, Creator, Mighty One (Genesis 1:1)
  2. Ruach – Spirit of God (Genesis 1:2)
  3. Yahweh (YHWH) – I AM WHO I AM (Genesis 2:4, Exodus 3:14)
  4. El Elyon – God Most High (Genesis 14:18–20)
  5. Adonai – Lord, Master (Genesis 15:2)
  6. El Roi – The God Who Sees Me (Genesis 16:13)
  7. El Shaddai – God Almighty, All-Sufficient One (Genesis 17:1)
  8. El Olam – The Everlasting God (Genesis 21:33)
  9. Yahweh-Yireh (Jehovah-Jireh) – The LORD Will Provide (Genesis 22:14)
  10. The Mighty One of Jacob (Genesis 49:24)
  11. Yahweh-Rapha – The LORD Who Heals (Exodus 15:26)
  12. Yahweh-Nissi – The LORD is My Banner (Exodus 17:15)
  13. Yahweh-Mekaddishkem – The LORD Who Sanctifies You (Exodus 31:13)
  14. Qanna – Jealous God (Exodus 34:14)
  15. Rock – Unshakeable Refuge (Deuteronomy 32:4)
  16. Yahweh-Shalom – The LORD is Peace (Judges 6:24)
  17. Yahweh-Sabaoth – The LORD of Hosts (1 Samuel 1:3)
  18. Go’el – Redeemer, Kinsman-Redeemer (Job 19:25)
  19. Yahweh-Rohi– The LORD My Shepherd (Psalm 23:1)
  20. Ancient of Days (Daniel 7:9, 13, 22)
  21. Yahweh-Tsidkenu – The LORD Our Righteousness (Jeremiah 23:6)
  22. Yahweh-Shammah – The LORD is There (Ezekiel 48:35)
  23. Immanuel – God With Us (Isaiah 7:14, Matthew 1:23)
  24. Jesus (Yeshua) – The LORD is Salvation (Matthew 1:21)
  25. Christ (Messiah) – Anointed One (Matthew 16:16)
  26. Son of God (Matthew 3:17)
  27. Abba (Father) (Mark 14:36, Romans 8:15)
  28. Holy Spirit (Luke 3:22, Acts 1:8)
  29. Logos – The Word (John 1:1)
  30. Lamb of God (John 1:29)
  31. The Way, the Truth, and the Life (John 14:6)
  32. Parakletos – Comforter, Advocate, Helper (John 14:16, John 15:26)
  33. Spirit of Truth (John 14:17, John 16:13)
  34. Spirit of Christ (Romans 8:9, 1 Peter 1:11)
  35. Spirit of Adoption (Romans 8:15)
  36. Eternal Spirit (Hebrews 9:14)
  37. Spirit of Glory (1 Peter 4:14)
  38. Alpha and Omega – The Beginning and the End (Revelation 1:8)
  39. King of Kings and Lord of Lords (Revelation 19:16)
Thus, the history for the many names of God is inherent in our Bible. Mohammad lived in a culture already largely monotheistic. Culturally, late antique Arabia was already deeply permeated by Judeo-Christian and indigenous monotheistic currents (hunafa) circulating through regional trade and cultural exchange. Culturally and theologically, Islam traces their history back to Ismael son of Abraham.
 
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lrs68 said:
This is actually interesting because Allah is just the Arabic and Aramaic name for the word God.

Allah is not an actual name.
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Correct....
"In the name of God" is what it actually says....if you are gonna translate don't do it half way...go all out.

And it's a blending of two languages and adding a third to do this.
 
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Allah is basically a demon.
The Muslims follow a god the rapes women, and hates Jews and Christians.
That is "Allah"

When a Muslim says allahu ackbar, they are saying OUR GOD IS GREATER THAN the God of the Christians and Jews.

Every murderous attack has those demon possed Islamic terrorists screaming "Allahu ackbar"

Allah is definately a demon.
 
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biblestudent78 said:
lrs68:
There are more connections between Islam and Judeo-Christian history. You are correct that Allah is from the same root as many ancient Hebrew names derived from. For the Hebrews "God" started off as EL which was a name for God across much of the early middle eastern cultures. In the earliest understanding, The God of Israel was a member of the Divine Council and was given Israel as His "inheritance." This occurs in the Song of Moses (Deuteronomy 32 especially in verse 9 and 4:19-20, Psalms 78:71 and 94:14), which describes the Most High (often read as Elyon) dividing the earth's nations and assigning them to various divine beings or sons of God land where only He was God. There were other versions that evolved from EL including:
  1. Elohim – God, Creator, Mighty One (Genesis 1:1)
  2. Ruach – Spirit of God (Genesis 1:2)
  3. Yahweh (YHWH) – I AM WHO I AM (Genesis 2:4, Exodus 3:14)
  4. El Elyon – God Most High (Genesis 14:18–20)
  5. Adonai – Lord, Master (Genesis 15:2)
  6. El Roi – The God Who Sees Me (Genesis 16:13)
  7. El Shaddai – God Almighty, All-Sufficient One (Genesis 17:1)
  8. El Olam – The Everlasting God (Genesis 21:33)
  9. Yahweh-Yireh (Jehovah-Jireh) – The LORD Will Provide (Genesis 22:14)
  10. The Mighty One of Jacob (Genesis 49:24)
  11. Yahweh-Rapha – The LORD Who Heals (Exodus 15:26)
  12. Yahweh-Nissi – The LORD is My Banner (Exodus 17:15)
  13. Yahweh-Mekaddishkem – The LORD Who Sanctifies You (Exodus 31:13)
  14. Qanna – Jealous God (Exodus 34:14)
  15. Rock – Unshakeable Refuge (Deuteronomy 32:4)
  16. Yahweh-Shalom – The LORD is Peace (Judges 6:24)
  17. Yahweh-Sabaoth – The LORD of Hosts (1 Samuel 1:3)
  18. Go’el – Redeemer, Kinsman-Redeemer (Job 19:25)
  19. Yahweh-Rohi– The LORD My Shepherd (Psalm 23:1)
  20. Ancient of Days (Daniel 7:9, 13, 22)
  21. Yahweh-Tsidkenu – The LORD Our Righteousness (Jeremiah 23:6)
  22. Yahweh-Shammah – The LORD is There (Ezekiel 48:35)
  23. Immanuel – God With Us (Isaiah 7:14, Matthew 1:23)
  24. Jesus (Yeshua) – The LORD is Salvation (Matthew 1:21)
  25. Christ (Messiah) – Anointed One (Matthew 16:16)
  26. Son of God (Matthew 3:17)
  27. Abba (Father) (Mark 14:36, Romans 8:15)
  28. Holy Spirit (Luke 3:22, Acts 1:8)
  29. Logos – The Word (John 1:1)
  30. Lamb of God (John 1:29)
  31. The Way, the Truth, and the Life (John 14:6)
  32. Parakletos – Comforter, Advocate, Helper (John 14:16, John 15:26)
  33. Spirit of Truth (John 14:17, John 16:13)
  34. Spirit of Christ (Romans 8:9, 1 Peter 1:11)
  35. Spirit of Adoption (Romans 8:15)
  36. Eternal Spirit (Hebrews 9:14)
  37. Spirit of Glory (1 Peter 4:14)
  38. Alpha and Omega – The Beginning and the End (Revelation 1:8)
  39. King of Kings and Lord of Lords (Revelation 19:16)
Thus, the history for the many names of God is inherent in our Bible. Mohammad lived in a culture already largely monotheistic. Culturally, late antique Arabia was already deeply permeated by Judeo-Christian and indigenous monotheistic currents (hunafa) circulating through regional trade and cultural exchange. Culturally and theologically, Islam traces their history back to Ismael son of Abraham.
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Excellent work on that 👍
 
Psalm1 said:
Allah is basically a demon.
The Muslims follow a god the rapes women, and hates Jews and Christians.
That is "Allah"

When a Muslim says allahu ackbar, they are saying OUR GOD IS GREATER THAN the God of the Christians and Jews.

Every murderous attack has those demon possed Islamic terrorists screaming "Allahu ackbar"

Allah is definately a demon.
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It's interesting that your chat name is Psalms while quoting Allah ackbar.

Ever read David much?

One moment he's asking for help, next to have God kill his enemies, next to make them aware and save them, and then the next back to destroying their entire lineage. Talk about bi-polar.

Every faith, even the TRUE Faith have those who are extremists. But I agree they say that but it is only asking god to kill the enemy much like David did hundreds of times.
 
lrs68 said:
It's interesting that your chat name is Psalms while quoting Allah ackbar.

Ever read David much?

One moment he's asking for help, next to have God kill his enemies, next to make them aware and save them, and then the next back to destroying their entire lineage. Talk about bi-polar.

Every faith, even the TRUE Faith have those who are extremists. But I agree they say that but it is only asking god to kill the enemy much like David did hundreds of times.
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David = man of God, the forerunner to Jesus.
Muslims = killing infidels "Christian and Jews", in what they claim is God's will. (Allah's will) = what?

You fill in the blank.
Who is their god that demands the innocent blood of Christians and Jews?
 
lrs68 said:
It's interesting that your chat name is Psalms while quoting Allah ackbar.

Ever read David much?

One moment he's asking for help, next to have God kill his enemies, next to make them aware and save them, and then the next back to destroying their entire lineage. Talk about bi-polar.

Every faith, even the TRUE Faith have those who are extremists. But I agree they say that but it is only asking god to kill the enemy much like David did hundreds of times.
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Are you muslim?
 
Psalm1 said:
David = man of God, the forerunner to Jesus.
Muslims = killing infidels "Christian and Jews", in what they claim is God's will. (Allah's will) = what?

You fill in the blank.
Who is their god that demands the innocent blood of Christians and Jews?
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Considering I am good friends with some from Afghanistan and they believe in the God of Abraham like Abraham would have taught Ishmael and his sons from Keturah whom he married after the death of Sarah. Not all people living in the Middle East are Muslim.
 
biblestudent78 said:
lrs68:
There are more connections between Islam and Judeo-Christian history. You are correct that Allah is from the same root as many ancient Hebrew names derived from. For the Hebrews "God" started off as EL which was a name for God across much of the early middle eastern cultures. In the earliest understanding, The God of Israel was a member of the Divine Council and was given Israel as His "inheritance." This occurs in the Song of Moses (Deuteronomy 32 especially in verse 9 and 4:19-20, Psalms 78:71 and 94:14), which describes the Most High (often read as Elyon) dividing the earth's nations and assigning them to various divine beings or sons of God land where only He was God. There were other versions that evolved from EL including:
  1. Elohim – God, Creator, Mighty One (Genesis 1:1)
  2. Ruach – Spirit of God (Genesis 1:2)
  3. Yahweh (YHWH) – I AM WHO I AM (Genesis 2:4, Exodus 3:14)
  4. El Elyon – God Most High (Genesis 14:18–20)
  5. Adonai – Lord, Master (Genesis 15:2)
  6. El Roi – The God Who Sees Me (Genesis 16:13)
  7. El Shaddai – God Almighty, All-Sufficient One (Genesis 17:1)
  8. El Olam – The Everlasting God (Genesis 21:33)
  9. Yahweh-Yireh (Jehovah-Jireh) – The LORD Will Provide (Genesis 22:14)
  10. The Mighty One of Jacob (Genesis 49:24)
  11. Yahweh-Rapha – The LORD Who Heals (Exodus 15:26)
  12. Yahweh-Nissi – The LORD is My Banner (Exodus 17:15)
  13. Yahweh-Mekaddishkem – The LORD Who Sanctifies You (Exodus 31:13)
  14. Qanna – Jealous God (Exodus 34:14)
  15. Rock – Unshakeable Refuge (Deuteronomy 32:4)
  16. Yahweh-Shalom – The LORD is Peace (Judges 6:24)
  17. Yahweh-Sabaoth – The LORD of Hosts (1 Samuel 1:3)
  18. Go’el – Redeemer, Kinsman-Redeemer (Job 19:25)
  19. Yahweh-Rohi– The LORD My Shepherd (Psalm 23:1)
  20. Ancient of Days (Daniel 7:9, 13, 22)
  21. Yahweh-Tsidkenu – The LORD Our Righteousness (Jeremiah 23:6)
  22. Yahweh-Shammah – The LORD is There (Ezekiel 48:35)
  23. Immanuel – God With Us (Isaiah 7:14, Matthew 1:23)
  24. Jesus (Yeshua) – The LORD is Salvation (Matthew 1:21)
  25. Christ (Messiah) – Anointed One (Matthew 16:16)
  26. Son of God (Matthew 3:17)
  27. Abba (Father) (Mark 14:36, Romans 8:15)
  28. Holy Spirit (Luke 3:22, Acts 1:8)
  29. Logos – The Word (John 1:1)
  30. Lamb of God (John 1:29)
  31. The Way, the Truth, and the Life (John 14:6)
  32. Parakletos – Comforter, Advocate, Helper (John 14:16, John 15:26)
  33. Spirit of Truth (John 14:17, John 16:13)
  34. Spirit of Christ (Romans 8:9, 1 Peter 1:11)
  35. Spirit of Adoption (Romans 8:15)
  36. Eternal Spirit (Hebrews 9:14)
  37. Spirit of Glory (1 Peter 4:14)
  38. Alpha and Omega – The Beginning and the End (Revelation 1:8)
  39. King of Kings and Lord of Lords (Revelation 19:16)
Thus, the history for the many names of God is inherent in our Bible. Mohammad lived in a culture already largely monotheistic. Culturally, late antique Arabia was already deeply permeated by Judeo-Christian and indigenous monotheistic currents (hunafa) circulating through regional trade and cultural exchange. Culturally and theologically, Islam traces their history back to Ismael son of Abraham.
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It does not matter what word they use for God.
Their god is a demon.
They can say God "allah",told them them to murder innocent Jews and Christians.

That "god" they worship. and obcess over is NOT AND CAN NOT BE THE TRUE GOD of the bible.

It is a sham.
100% sham.
Their "Allah" is a demon.
Allah's prophet , Muhammed, is a petifile and basically insane.
 
Psalm1 said:
It does not matter what word they use for God.
Their god is a demon.
They can say God "allah",told them them to murder innocent Jews and Christians.

That "god" they worship. and obcess over is NOT AND CAN NOT BE THE TRUE GOD of the bible.

It is a sham.
100% sham.
Their "Allah" is a demon.
Allah's prophet , Muhammed, is a petifile and basically insane.
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Well Psalm1
You are in something of pickle by defining a murder as an exclusion from true religion. Researchers attribute between 56-84 million people have been killed by Christians, mostly in Christian on Christian wars, the Crusades and the "Christianization" of the new worlds. As most killings in the history of Islam were between very small Islamic states there is no data on casualties from their start 1,416 yrs ago. In modern time researchers in several large scale studies have identified about 250,000 deaths between 1979 and current. Of those, 80%-90% were other Islamic people.

Perhaps a short overview of Islam might be educational
Belief in the Oneness of God (Tawhid): Mainstream Muslims practice uncompromising monotheism. They believe Allah is the sole Creator, all-powerful, and merciful, with no partners, equals, or offspring.

Belief in the Angels (Malaikah): Muslims believe in unseen, spiritual beings created by God from light who carry out His commands. For instance, the Angel Gabriel is revered for delivering divine revelations to the prophets.

Belief in the Holy Books (Kutub): Mainstream Islam recognizes that God revealed scriptures to various messengers over time, including the Torah to Moses, the Psalms to David, and the Gospel to Jesus. However, they believe the Quran is the final, uncorrupted word of God preserved exactly as revealed to Muhammad.

Belief in the Prophets (Anbiya): Muslims believe God sent messengers throughout history to guide humanity, starting with Adam and including Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus.

They believe Prophet Muhammad is the final messenger sent to all humankind.

Belief in the Day of Judgment (Qiyamah): Mainstream Muslims hold that this worldly life is a temporary test. They believe that all human beings will be resurrected, judged by God based on their deeds, and sent to either Paradise (Jannah) or Hell (Jahannam).

Belief in Divine Decree (Qadar): This is the belief in destiny or fate. Muslims believe that God has full knowledge and ultimate control over everything that happens, though humans still possess free will to choose between right and wrong.

They practice ritual prayer 5 times a day every day
They practice almsgiving with a minimum of 2.5%
They practice fasting all day every day during the month of Ramadan
They practice pilgrimage and must travel to Mecca at least once in their lifetime

Perhaps you are thinking of radical islamic groups
the U.S. Department of State's Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTO) list regularly includes roughly 30 to 40 distinct groups that are explicitly animated by radical Islamist ideology. Total core membership across all violent groups is estimated to be between 100,000 and 250,000 active fighters globally.

There are approximately 2 billion Muslims in the world, thus radical Islamist comprise 0.000125% of all Muslims.
 
biblestudent78 said:
Well Psalm1
You are in something of pickle by defining a murder as an exclusion from true religion. Researchers attribute between 56-84 million people have been killed by Christians, mostly in Christian on Christian wars, the Crusades and the "Christianization" of the new worlds. As most killings in the history of Islam were between very small Islamic states there is no data on casualties from their start 1,416 yrs ago. In modern time researchers in several large scale studies have identified about 250,000 deaths between 1979 and current. Of those, 80%-90% were other Islamic people.

Perhaps a short overview of Islam might be educational
Belief in the Oneness of God (Tawhid): Mainstream Muslims practice uncompromising monotheism. They believe Allah is the sole Creator, all-powerful, and merciful, with no partners, equals, or offspring.

Belief in the Angels (Malaikah): Muslims believe in unseen, spiritual beings created by God from light who carry out His commands. For instance, the Angel Gabriel is revered for delivering divine revelations to the prophets.

Belief in the Holy Books (Kutub): Mainstream Islam recognizes that God revealed scriptures to various messengers over time, including the Torah to Moses, the Psalms to David, and the Gospel to Jesus. However, they believe the Quran is the final, uncorrupted word of God preserved exactly as revealed to Muhammad.

Belief in the Prophets (Anbiya): Muslims believe God sent messengers throughout history to guide humanity, starting with Adam and including Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus.

They believe Prophet Muhammad is the final messenger sent to all humankind.

Belief in the Day of Judgment (Qiyamah): Mainstream Muslims hold that this worldly life is a temporary test. They believe that all human beings will be resurrected, judged by God based on their deeds, and sent to either Paradise (Jannah) or Hell (Jahannam).

Belief in Divine Decree (Qadar): This is the belief in destiny or fate. Muslims believe that God has full knowledge and ultimate control over everything that happens, though humans still possess free will to choose between right and wrong.

They practice ritual prayer 5 times a day every day
They practice almsgiving with a minimum of 2.5%
They practice fasting all day every day during the month of Ramadan
They practice pilgrimage and must travel to Mecca at least once in their lifetime

Perhaps you are thinking of radical islamic groups
the U.S. Department of State's Foreign Terrorist Organizations (FTO) list regularly includes roughly 30 to 40 distinct groups that are explicitly animated by radical Islamist ideology. Total core membership across all violent groups is estimated to be between 100,000 and 250,000 active fighters globally.

There are approximately 2 billion Muslims in the world, thus radical Islamist comprise 0.000125% of all Muslims.
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Hard to believe you framed all
That outside the the Bible of Christianity and the Quran of muslims.
The Bible is against crimes against humanity.
The Quran demands brutality against the infidel....(Christians and jews)
 
lrs68 said:
From King David whom I quoted some of the writing found in Psalms for one example.
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So you are saying the God of David that anointed him against his enemies made a mistake?

You are defending the brutality and crimes declared in the Quran, against the Jews and Christians, that is COMMANDING Muslims, reading the Quran, to commit is ok, since God had the Hebrews destroy their enemies?

Something like that?
 
Psalm1 said:
So you are saying the God of David that anointed him against his enemies made a mistake?

You are defending the brutality and crimes declared in the Quran, against the Jews and Christians, that is COMMANDING Muslims, reading the Quran, to commit is ok, since God had the Hebrews destroy their enemies?

Something like that?
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I'm saying that David was human and his writings exemplify that. You either are in denial of the fact that David wrote he requested God to destroy his enemies or do something like it and other times he wrote about vindicating him. Or you just believe it's normal to pray to God for Him to turn your enemies into dust.
 
lrs68 said:
I'm saying that David was human and his writings exemplify that. You either are in denial of the fact that David wrote he requested God to destroy his enemies or do something like it and other times he wrote about vindicating him. Or you just believe it's normal to pray to God for Him to turn your enemies into dust.
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Again
David is the for runner of Jesus.
None of your Islamic support has anything similar.

GOD HAS ENEMIES.
GOD FRAMED HIS ENEMIES AS DAVIDS ENEMIES.

YOUR defense of Islam is horrible.
That latest Islamic massacre in In israel, where babies were killed, prompted the praise of the ISLAMIC NATION OF IRAN.

You have no discernment.
There are 2 forces at work.
The God of the Bible. Vs
The evil god Allah of the Quran.
 
Psalm1 said:
Again
David is the for runner of Jesus.
None of your Islamic support has anything similar.

GOD HAS ENEMIES.
GOD FRAMED HIS ENEMIES AS DAVIDS ENEMIES.

YOUR defense of Islam is horrible.
That latest Islamic massacre in In israel, where babies were killed, prompted the praise of the ISLAMIC NATION OF IRAN.

You have no discernment.
There are 2 forces at work.
The God of the Bible. Vs
The evil god Allah of the Quran.
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You are sincerely out of touch with reality thinking I am excusing anything the Muslims do.

Yes, David is as you say but he still committed adultery and murder and lost his son and needed to be forgiven no matter what praise you wish to bestow upon him.
 
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