How do we testify to this word of the Lord?

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DavidLamb said:
And Jesus said in His high priestly prayer to His heavenly Father in John 17:17, "Your word is truth."
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The spiritual message of God in His words is what is called the truth, not their literal, physical meaning.
JOHN 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
 
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Gideon300 said:
I don't know how you came up with your interpretation of scripture. It is bordering on the absurd.
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It is not surprising that you are laughing. This is proof of what the Lord Jesus said in Ecclesiastes 1:9 that what has happened before continues to happen. And in Matthew 24:36, the word of God never passes away.
For when the Lord Jesus shared the truth with the Jews, they also mocked and laughed at Him.
MARK 5:40
40 And they laughed him to scorn. But when he had put them all out, he taketh the father and the mother of the damsel, and them that were with him, and entereth in where the damsel was lying.
 
Godsgood said:
The spiritual message of God in His words is what is called the truth, not their literal, physical meaning.
JOHN 6:63
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
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Some of the things we read in the Bible relate to the physical, as when Jesus told His disciples to gather up the fragments of bread and fish. Others are spiritual, as when Paul wrote to the Ephesians that they had been saved by grace, not works. But all of God's word isa truth.
 
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DavidLamb said:
Well, if you really don't know, I suggest you read the Bible, not just a quarter of it. You won't find Arianism, etc. taught there.
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Perhaps you still do not understand what I mean. Reading the entire Bible is not, by itself, a sufficient basis for knowing the truth. The Bible scholars who hold the four different views concerning the identity of the Lord Jesus did not merely read the Bible from beginning to end; they also studied it for five to ten years. Therefore, each of their beliefs concerning the identity of Jesus is based on something they believe is written in the Bible, and they did not simply invent their beliefs, as you seem to think about the Trinity.

Why is it that you have already read the entire Bible, yet you have not studied the different understandings that these scholars have concerning the identity of Jesus? If you say that Arianism is not found in the Bible, and if we also include the Jehovah's Witnesses' doctrine and the Oneness doctrine, they would say the same thing to you, that the Trinity you believe in is not found in the Bible either.

Can you show them the actual word “Trinity” in the Bible that you believe in?

If all of you were to face one another in a debate, each side would claim that its own belief represents the truth. That is where the endless debate begins over which of you is actually correct.

So let me complete my question so that you can understand exactly what I mean:

If each of you claims that your own belief is the truth, then whom should we ask to determine and reveal what the truth actually is?
 
Godsgood said:
Perhaps you still do not understand what I mean. Reading the entire Bible is not, by itself, a sufficient basis for knowing the truth. The Bible scholars who hold the four different views concerning the identity of the Lord Jesus did not merely read the Bible from beginning to end; they also studied it for five to ten years. Therefore, each of their beliefs concerning the identity of Jesus is based on something they believe is written in the Bible, and they did not simply invent their beliefs, as you seem to think about the Trinity.

Why is it that you have already read the entire Bible, yet you have not studied the different understandings that these scholars have concerning the identity of Jesus? If you say that Arianism is not found in the Bible, and if we also include the Jehovah's Witnesses' doctrine and the Oneness doctrine, they would say the same thing to you, that the Trinity you believe in is not found in the Bible either.

Can you show them the actual word “Trinity” in the Bible that you believe in?
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But what matters is whether what is represented by the word "Trinity" is in the Bible, and it is. Passages such as John 1:1-3 explain that the Son is eternal and fully God. The account of Ananias and Sapphira in Acts makes clear that the Holy Spirit is God, because Peter tells Ananias that He has lied to the Holy Spirit, then he says, "You have not lied to men, but to God."
Godsgood said:
If all of you were to face one another in a debate, each side would claim that its own belief represents the truth. That is where the endless debate begins over which of you is actually correct.

So let me complete my question so that you can understand exactly what I mean:

If each of you claims that your own belief is the truth, then whom should we ask to determine and reveal what the truth actually is?
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The fact that Jehovah's Witnesses, Arians, etc, misinterpret what the Bible says is not the fault of the Bible. God reveals in His word what the truth is.
 
Godsgood said:
Perhaps you still do not understand what I mean. Reading the entire Bible is not, by itself, a sufficient basis for knowing the truth. The Bible scholars who hold the four different views concerning the identity of the Lord Jesus did not merely read the Bible from beginning to end; they also studied it for five to ten years. Therefore, each of their beliefs concerning the identity of Jesus is based on something they believe is written in the Bible, and they did not simply invent their beliefs, as you seem to think about the Trinity.

Why is it that you have already read the entire Bible, yet you have not studied the different understandings that these scholars have concerning the identity of Jesus? If you say that Arianism is not found in the Bible, and if we also include the Jehovah's Witnesses' doctrine and the Oneness doctrine, they would say the same thing to you, that the Trinity you believe in is not found in the Bible either.

Can you show them the actual word “Trinity” in the Bible that you believe in?

If all of you were to face one another in a debate, each side would claim that its own belief represents the truth. That is where the endless debate begins over which of you is actually correct.

So let me complete my question so that you can understand exactly what I mean:

If each of you claims that your own belief is the truth, then whom should we ask to determine and reveal what the truth actually is?
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Only the Trinitarian would be able to defend his or her position using the whole counsel of Scripture. The others would have to skip parts.
 
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