Aliens and Angels.
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yes — I’ve already dismantled their claims the same way I just dismantled Sabak’s, because none of them survive Scripture‑only scrutiny. Von Däniken, Sitchin, Sabak all build systems on extrabiblical speculation, not on the text itself.
Not on the text itself. Not my opinion, The text.
No — Scripture never says literal horses and literal chariots were physically flying around the sky on fire. The Bible uses war‑imagery to describe the invisible heavenly host, not combustion‑powered vehicles.
Genesis 5:24 says “he was not; for God took him.” Hebrews 11:5 says “he was translated… for God had translated him.” There is no agent except God, no craft, no vehicle, no abduction. The verb is God’s action alone. The text never hints at angels, watchers, aliens, or intermediaries. Enoch is removed by God’s sovereign act, not by a being performing a procedure.
Luke 1:35 is even more explicit: “The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee.” No insemination, no sexual act, no biological father. The conception is creative, not reproductive — the same God who formed Adam from dust forms Christ’s human nature in Mary’s womb by the Spirit’s power. Matthew 1:18–20 repeats it: “that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.” Again, no agent except God. No angel. No watcher. No extraterrestrial. No intercourse. No insemination.
Mocking me is one thing, but mocking Scripture? Im done here.
Id imagine they work on Mercury engines, Black Hole Technology and even more exotic Bio Technology a Million years ahead. Some even claim they are from our Future and we are a Self Created Species as per the Predestination Paradox, but that seems like Militant Atheism to me.
So words are Metaphorical when it suits your opinion and Literal when not
Thanks for your expert opinion. I am not well up on him but I thought it was worth putting out there. I prefer Von Daniken, Sitchin and others. Im guessing youve debunked them too, in your opinion?
All of this sounds as though you are mocking me and the Scripture. If not, I stand corrected.
I am open to my opinion being wrong. You make some valid points I am taking in. There is still the problem that God hasnt included Aliens, which obviously exist, in the Bible, in your Theory. In my Theory God does include Aliens in the Bible, along with Cryptids and other Entities. Discounting Millions of Abductee Testimonies and Physical Evidence of Implants is irrational. I suspect the Fallen Angels are doing the negative Abductions and the Angels arent.
All i am saying is the scripture says nothing on the matter. But if you are looking for my opinion or theory, it would be irrelevnt next to the scripture but if I had to say, I would look closer to home for the alien answer.
True, the chariot of fire that picked up the prophet Elijah would certainly seem irrational.
The other prophets insisted that they search for him. So, Leonard Nemoy's show, In Search Of, was nothing new. Lol
The description is nothing like reports of abduction from weird beings today.
It didn't sound like a common thing like the UFOs of today. I think that what Elisha saw was a literal description.
I'm not opposed to the hypothesis that some UFOs are angels manifesting as light orbs.
A lot of them are not according to interviews of witnesses and a few black project whistleblowers. A lot of sightings were later shown to be military aircrafts.
I was told that the one I saw was a tracer, but have doubts about the source of that opinion.
I have no reason to think that it was a spirit though.
A few months after the last election there were a lot of UFOs in certain locations, so many that Mr Trump commented on them. Do you remember those?
It's a creation of God described in details.
The vast majority of what people describe are orbs of light, some resembling ball lightning.
I don't do catholic lore; I know what the bible says, and what I've experienced and that's it.
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The nine ranks of angels, as described in Christian tradition, are as follows:- Seraphim: The highest rank, with six wings, and are known for their constant praise of God.
1 - Cherubim: The second highest rank, with double wings and guardians of God's glory.
1 - Thrones: The third rank, tasked with maintaining cosmic order and protecting souls.
1 - Dominions: The fourth rank, responsible for the distribution of power among angels and humans.
1 - Virtues: The fifth rank, overseeing the collective destinies of peoples and guiding leaders.
1 - Powers: The sixth rank, fighting against evil and chaos, and overseeing the distribution of power.
1 - Principalities: The seventh rank, protecting nations and regions, and guiding the collective destinies of peoples.
1 - Archangels: The eighth rank, including Michael and Gabriel, serving as God's chief messengers.
1 - Angels: The lowest rank, assisting in various tasks and serving as messengers.
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These ranks are organized into three hierarchies, with each hierarchy containing three orders or choirs. The Seraphim, Cherubim, and Thrones are in the first hierarchy, followed by the Dominions, Virtues, and Powers in the second, and the Principalities, Archangels, and Angels in the third. Each rank has specific responsibilities and attributes that reflect their proximity to God and their functions in the divine plan.
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Fallen angels are traditionally classified according to their original angelic orders, such as seraphim, cherubim, thrones, virtues, and powers, before their rebellion against God.
Angelic Orders and Fallen Angels
In religious and mystical traditions, angels are organized into hierarchies or orders, each with specific roles and attributes. When some angels rebelled against God, they became fallen angels, retaining their original order in many accounts:- Seraphim: Known as the “burning ones,” some fallen angels like Abbadona, Asmoday, and Astaroth were originally seraphim before their fall (
archangels-and-angels.com).
- Cherubim: Guardians of divine presence; Azazel is a notable fallen cherub (
- Thrones: Angels associated with divine justice and authority; some fallen angels, like Astaroth, were linked to this order (
- Virtues: Angels of miracles and blessings; Agares and Ariel are examples of fallen angels from this order (
- Powers: Warrior angels maintaining cosmic order; Amy is partly of the order of powers (
- Archangels: High-ranking messengers; Adramelec is sometimes listed as a fallen archangel (
Notable Fallen Angels
Many fallen angels are named in apocryphal texts, mystical writings, and folklore. Some of the most frequently cited include:- Semyaza: Leader of the Watchers in the Book of Enoch (
- Azazel: Taught humans forbidden knowledge and is associated with sin (
- Astaroth: Often depicted as a demon in later traditions, originally a seraph or throne (
- Abaddon: Angel of destruction (
angelicpedia.com).
- Amy, Allocen, Amon: Various ranks, often described as dukes or presidents in hell (
Biblical and Scriptural Context
The Bible mentions angels in various roles—cherubim, seraphim, principalities, powers, and thrones—but only a few are named, such as Michael, Gabriel, and Raphael (Summary
The order of fallen angels reflects their original angelic hierarchy before their rebellion. Understanding these orders helps contextualize their roles in religious texts, mystical traditions, and folklore. Key figures like Azazel, Semyaza, and Astaroth illustrate how fallen angels are linked to specific angelic ranks, knowledge, and influence over humanity.
Often associated? the only reference I can think of to a fiery chariot is this one:
NKJV 2Ki 2:11 Then it happened, as they continued on and talked, that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire, and separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
I have never hears of UFOs being pulled along by horses.
As for "other aerial phenomena", we have Jacob's ladder, with angels ascending and descending. That doesn't sound like a UFO or an alien. I would also add that a lot of what are assumed to be aerial phenomena involving angels are not. Take the angels who appeared to the shepherds when Jesus was born. So many Christmas cards show a throng of angels up in the sky, but what does the Bible actually say?
NKJV Luk 2:8 Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night.
Luk 2:9 And behold, an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were greatly afraid.
Luk 2:10 Then the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people.
Luk 2:11 For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
Luk 2:12 And this will be the sign to you: You will find a Babe wrapped in swaddling cloths, lying in a manger."
Luk 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying:
Luk 2:14 "Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace, goodwill toward men!"
Yes, the angel stood before them. He was not flying around in the air. Verse 13 says that a multitude of the heavenly host joined the first angel, and again, not one hint that they were flying in the air.