Aliens and Angels.

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DavidLamb said:
Often associated? the only reference I can think of to a fiery chariot is this one:

NKJV 2Ki 2:11 Then it happened, as they continued on and talked, that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire, and separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

I have never hears of UFOs being pulled along by horses.

As for "other aerial phenomena", we have Jacob's ladder, with angels ascending and descending. That doesn't sound like a UFO or an alien. I would also add that a lot of what are assumed to be aerial phenomena involving angels are not. Take the angels who appeared to the shepherds when Jesus was born. So many Christmas cards show a throng of angels up in the sky, but what does the Bible actually say?

NKJV Luk 2:8 Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night.
Luk 2:9 And behold, an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were greatly afraid.
Luk 2:10 Then the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people.
Luk 2:11 For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
Luk 2:12 And this will be the sign to you: You will find a Babe wrapped in swaddling cloths, lying in a manger."
Luk 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying:
Luk 2:14 "Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace, goodwill toward men!"

Yes, the angel stood before them. He was not flying around in the air. Verse 13 says that a multitude of the heavenly host joined the first angel, and again, not one hint that they were flying in the air.
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Paul357 said:
Thanks. IMO there are too many similarities to negate it. There are 9 Orders of Angels. Maybe some use them and some dont. In your Theory the Bible never mentions Aliens so is therefore in error. It is clear they exist and are Abducting people, regardless of the State Mandated Belief System.
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Who says there are 9 orders of angels? The Bible doesn't, as far as I am aware. I understand that the idea of nine orders was put forward by Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite in the 5th or 6th century, and he counted such things as virtues , powers and dominions as angels.
 
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DavidLamb said:
Often associated? the only reference I can think of to a fiery chariot is this one:

NKJV 2Ki 2:11 Then it happened, as they continued on and talked, that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire, and separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

I have never hears of UFOs being pulled along by horses.

As for "other aerial phenomena", we have Jacob's ladder, with angels ascending and descending. That doesn't sound like a UFO or an alien. I would also add that a lot of what are assumed to be aerial phenomena involving angels are not. Take the angels who appeared to the shepherds when Jesus was born. So many Christmas cards show a throng of angels up in the sky, but what does the Bible actually say?

NKJV Luk 2:8 Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night.
Luk 2:9 And behold, an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were greatly afraid.
Luk 2:10 Then the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people.
Luk 2:11 For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.
Luk 2:12 And this will be the sign to you: You will find a Babe wrapped in swaddling cloths, lying in a manger."
Luk 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying:
Luk 2:14 "Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace, goodwill toward men!"

Yes, the angel stood before them. He was not flying around in the air. Verse 13 says that a multitude of the heavenly host joined the first angel, and again, not one hint that they were flying in the air.
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DavidLamb said:
Who says there are 9 orders of angels? The Bible doesn't, as far as I am aware. I understand that the idea of nine orders was put forward by Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite in the 5th or 6th century, and he counted such things as virtues , powers and dominions as angels.
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Paul357 said:
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The video you linked to starts by saying that the Bible is a sacred book that talks of a tremendous force, then suggests that that "force" was not God, but a UFO. That is not what the Bible says. It starts by saying that in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. No mention of a UFO doing so.
 
Paul357 said:
Who Abducted Enoch? Who inseminated Mary?
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Nobody abducted Enoch. The Bible simply says:

Gen 5:23 So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years.
Gen 5:24 And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him.

When Mary asked how she could conceive when she had not had intimate relations with a man, the angel told her:

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

I don't know whether you were seriously suggesting that Enoch was abducted by aliens, and that an alien impregnated Mary.
 
Paul357 said:
Who Abducted Enoch? Who inseminated Mary?
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The words of God are very clear that nobody abducted Enoch. God translated him to Heaven without him experiencing death.

As for the virgin Mary, she was never inseminated as you ask. She was a virgin and NOT some victim of the diabolical demons that masquerade as angels of light that you call aliens.
Jesus is the Son of God.

Luke 1
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

 
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HealthAndHappiness said:
The words of God are very clear that nobody abducted Enoch. God translated him to Heaven without him experiencing death.

As for the virgin Mary, she was never inseminated as you ask. She was a virgin and NOT some victim of the diabolical demons that masquerade as angels of light that you call aliens.
Jesus is the Son of God.

Luke 1
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
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Im not making any claims. I wasnt there to witness it. Im asking questions and giving my opinion of the Probabilities.
 
HealthAndHappiness said:
The words of God are very clear that nobody abducted Enoch. God translated him to Heaven without him experiencing death.

As for the virgin Mary, she was never inseminated as you ask. She was a virgin and NOT some victim of the diabolical demons that masquerade as angels of light that you call aliens.
Jesus is the Son of God.

Luke 1
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
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Its a popular claim in the UFO community that Jesus was a Plaidien, whom were the creators of Humans. The Star of Bethlehem was a UFO and Mary was taken on board said UFO to produce Jesus. I dont subscribe to it myself.
 
Paul357 said:
The Star of Bethlehem was a UFO
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The JWs believe that that star that appeared to the wise men when they left Herod and led them to Jesus house was from Satan.
While talking with them I said I agree with that and that I also believe it may have been a UFO , and they said oh we dont teach that. That conversation was about 30 yrs ago , I wonder if they have changed their minds today with all this UFO Alien stuff going on.
 
brian25 said:
The JWs believe that that star that appeared to the wise men when they left Herod and led them to Jesus house was from Satan.
While talking with them I said I agree with that and that I also believe it may have been a UFO , and they said oh we dont teach that. That conversation was about 30 yrs ago , I wonder if they have changed their minds today with all this UFO Alien stuff going on.
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Have you changed your mind since then ?
 
HealthAndHappiness said:
Where did you get that idea from?
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The JWs challenged me to read the story for myself instead of believing what I was told.
The first thing I noticed was that God makes the first move by sending the Angel Gabriel to tell some Jewish shepherds that he has been born and to go and see him.

And yet today we have what's called the nativity scene which shows the wise men instead of the jewish shepherds. We know from scripture that the wise men did not show up untill around 2 yrs later. And that was only the first mistake that I found.
 
brian25 said:
The JWs challenged me to read the story for myself instead of believing what I was told.
The first thing I noticed was that God makes the first move by sending the Angel Gabriel to tell some Jewish shepherds that he has been born and to go and see him.

And yet today we have what's called the nativity scene which shows the wise men instead of the jewish shepherds. We know from scripture that the wise men did not show up untill around 2 yrs later. And that was only the first mistake that I found.
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It's proper to disregard man's manger scenes and popular misconceptions. That's why we look to the Bible, God's holy Word for the revelation.
The following is a link to Matthew 2 that describes what we know about the wise men.
Can you point to a verse that says that Satan led them to Jesus from a UFO?

Matthew 2
 
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