looking for help reconciling the Sabbath with common observation?

[OMC]

The New Testament defines “Sabbath rest” as Christ Himself, not a weekly observance, because
Hebrews 4 says the seventh‑day rest of creation (v.4) and
the Canaan rest under Joshua (v.8) were shadows pointing to the greater rest believers enter by faith; the “sabbatismos” that “remains” (v.9) is explained in v.10 as ceasing from our works the way God ceased from His — meaning justification‑rest, not calendar‑rest.

 

[TMS]

No work on the sabbath. Nothing about having church on a Saturday. The sabbath is a day of rest. So even if SDA is correct (it is not), church on Sunday is just fine.

We should worship God every day.

We should gather together as often as we can.

What ever is practical.

But the fact is that the 7th day sabbath was made Holy and sanctified by God.
The sabbath was made for man, and we are commanded to rest on this day.

Gather with people when ever you want and go to church whenever you want .... but don't forget .... To Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

 

[Toddini]

Can anyone even tell me what year it is?

 

[OMC]

Can anyone even tell me what year it is?

In the standard solar/lunar civil calendar, we are in 2026.
In a strict 364‑day biblical solar calendar (Jubilees/Enoch pattern), the year count increases faster because each “year” is shorter; dividing the same total historical days by 364 instead of ~365.24 yields roughly 2033–2034.
This matches the logic of Scripture’s fixed‑length year (Gen 1:14; 5:23–24) versus our drifting civil year.
So the approximate parallel is 2026 in the modern calendar and about 2034 in a pure 364‑day system.

 

[Toddini]

In the standard solar/lunar civil calendar, we are in 2026.
In a strict 364‑day biblical solar calendar (Jubilees/Enoch pattern), the year count increases faster because each “year” is shorter; dividing the same total historical days by 364 instead of ~365.24 yields roughly 2033–2034.
This matches the logic of Scripture’s fixed‑length year (Gen 1:14; 5:23–24) versus our drifting civil year.
So the approximate parallel is 2026 in the modern calendar and about 2034 in a pure 364‑day system.

My research says we are in 2043 which accounts for all the errors in the Julian and Gregorian methods.

 

[TMS]

The Lord's Day is observed on Sunday, which is the Christian Sabbath. While the original creation Sabbath was the seventh day (Saturday), the day of corporate worship and rest shifted to the first day of the week (Sunday) under the New Covenant.

This change commemorates Jesus Christ's resurrection from the dead on the first day of the week, marking the dawn of a new creation. The fourth commandment—requiring one day in seven to be set apart for holy rest and worship—as a permanent moral law rooted in creation, rather than a temporary ceremonial rule.

In the New Testament, we see Christians gathering together on the Lord’s Day, to celebrate and commemorate the resurrection of Jesus Christ. We see John in prayer on the Lord’s Day (Rev. 1:10). We see the church in Acts gathered on the Lord’s Day (Acts 20:7). The impression we’re given is that first-century Christians understood that the first day of the week was the Christian Sabbath or the Christian day of worship.

I'm glad you see the sabbath as a moral law rooted in creation.

But the error is that the bible does not support a change from the 7th to the first day of the week.

Jesus did rise on the first day. But this is no reason to change the commandment given by God. Jesus rested on the sabbath.

The deciples gathered on the first day and on every day. This is not grounds to change the law of God.

Study history and the early church kept the sabbath 7th day Holy. But hatred for the Jews caused pagan romans to dislike sabbath keepers..

The Lord's day..... the new Testament refers to Sunday or the first day ....

Mat 28:1
Mark 16:2 and 9.
Luke24:1
John 20:1.
These refer to the Sunday when Jesus rose.

Joh 20:19 this sunday they were Assembled for fear of the Jews.. and came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

Act 20:7
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them,
This Sunday they had Paul preach to them. No indication that the sanctified day from creation has changed..
People preach every day of the week.

1Co 16:2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
This does not mean it was the sabbath..
It shows that Paul didn't want gathering to happen when He came.

The Lord's Day is only mentioned in Rev 1:10.

There is lots of evidence to show this is not Sunday. Firstly when John was referring to Sunday he always used the "first day". And when you look at bible verses and context there no proof that this is referring to Sunday.
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

The Catholic church claims full responsibility for the change from Saturday to Sunday.

 

[OMC]

My research says we are in 2043 which accounts for all the errors in the Julian and Gregorian methods.

Neither of us is “wrong,” we are using two different systems. My 2033–2034 comes from a straight mathematical division of total historical days by a 364‑day year, nothing more; that method intentionally ignores human calendar drift and simply applies the biblical fixed‑year structure (Gen 1:14; 5:23–24).
Your 2043 comes from a corrected‑calendar reconstruction that accounts for Julian/Gregorian errors, leap‑rule distortions, equinox drift, and the way human systems “change times” (Dan 7:25).

Scripture never commands us to repair human calendars, so my number reflects uncorrected civil‑calendar drift, while yours reflects corrected accumulated error.
Now as far as “who is correct?” depends entirely on which method you choose:
simple 364‑division yields ~2034;
error‑corrected reconstruction yields ~2043.

Only one of the two methods is actually “according to Scripture,” and that is the simple 364‑day fixed‑year count, because Scripture gives a fixed creation‑year marked by the lights (Gen 1:14), and every biblical time‑prophecy assumes a non‑drifting year structure (Gen 5; Dan 9).
The 364‑day pattern is the only one that matches the biblical definition of a year.
The 2043 corrected‑calendar method is not “unbiblical,” but it is extra‑biblical, because Scripture never commands us to repair Julian/Gregorian drift, never tells us to adjust leap‑rules, and never instructs us to reconstruct equinox slippage; it simply states that human systems will “change times” (Dan 7:25).
So the 364‑day division is biblical; the error‑corrected reconstruction is a human attempt to fix human mistakes.

 

[TMS]

But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the law,

How does a law bound you?

 

[Toddini]

Neither of us is “wrong,” we are using two different systems. My 2033–2034 comes from a straight mathematical division of total historical days by a 364‑day year, nothing more; that method intentionally ignores human calendar drift and simply applies the biblical fixed‑year structure (Gen 1:14; 5:23–24).
Your 2043 comes from a corrected‑calendar reconstruction that accounts for Julian/Gregorian errors, leap‑rule distortions, equinox drift, and the way human systems “change times” (Dan 7:25).

Scripture never commands us to repair human calendars, so my number reflects uncorrected civil‑calendar drift, while yours reflects corrected accumulated error.
Now as far as “who is correct?” depends entirely on which method you choose:
simple 364‑division yields ~2034;
error‑corrected reconstruction yields ~2043.

Only one of the two methods is actually “according to Scripture,” and that is the simple 364‑day fixed‑year count, because Scripture gives a fixed creation‑year marked by the lights (Gen 1:14), and every biblical time‑prophecy assumes a non‑drifting year structure (Gen 5; Dan 9).
The 364‑day pattern is the only one that matches the biblical definition of a year.
The 2043 corrected‑calendar method is not “unbiblical,” but it is extra‑biblical, because Scripture never commands us to repair Julian/Gregorian drift, never tells us to adjust leap‑rules, and never instructs us to reconstruct equinox slippage; it simply states that human systems will “change times” (Dan 7:25).
So the 364‑day division is biblical; the error‑corrected reconstruction is a human attempt to fix human mistakes.

We agree the 364 cycle is real as long as you apply evening to evening for a day. Also, the quarter markers are the Solstice and Equinox and those times are also counted as a day. That brings us to one question, when was day 1? The book of Enoch and Jubilee weren't canonized, but we know now, fragments were found at Qumran. Did you know that from the dating of those fragments, Enoch was dated older than Genesis. Not that I trust the dating methods, but it is interesting.

 

[TMS]

The New Testament defines “Sabbath rest” as Christ Himself, not a weekly observance, because
Hebrews 4 says the seventh‑day rest of creation (v.4) and
the Canaan rest under Joshua (v.8) were shadows pointing to the greater rest believers enter by faith; the “sabbatismos” that “remains” (v.9) is explained in v.10 as ceasing from our works the way God ceased from His — meaning justification‑rest, not calendar‑rest.

So the way God rested was = justification rest.

Did God need justification rest?

 

[Toddini]

So the way God rested was = justification rest.

Did God need justification rest?

Matthew 5:17–19 (KJV)

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

 

[OMC]

We agree the 364 cycle is real as long as you apply evening to evening for a day. Also, the quarter markers are the Solstice and Equinox and those times are also counted as a day. That brings us to one question, when was day 1? The book of Enoch and Jubilee weren't canonized, but we know now, fragments were found at Qumran. Did you know that from the dating of those fragments, Enoch was dated older than Genesis. Not that I trust the dating methods, but it is interesting.

The 364‑day cycle is real because Scripture defines a fixed, non‑drifting year by the lights (Gen 1:14), and “evening to evening” is the biblical day‑boundary (Lev 23:32); the solstice/equinox quarter‑markers also fit the creation pattern of signs and seasons (Gen 1:14).
But the moment you ask, “When was day 1?” you step outside Scripture, because Genesis never gives a calendar start‑date, and Enoch/Jubilees—though ancient and found at Qumran—are not canon and therefore cannot define the biblical epoch.
Their age does not give them authority; Scripture alone does.
So yes, the fragments are interesting, but the dating of Enoch does not override the fact that Genesis is the inspired source, and only Genesis gives the structure of the year, not the starting timestamp.

 

[OMC]

So the way God rested was = justification rest.

Did God need justification rest?

No — God did not need “justification rest,” because Hebrews 4 is not saying God rested because He needed justification; it is saying the pattern of God’s rest explains the nature of our rest.

 

[Toddini]

The 364‑day cycle is real because Scripture defines a fixed, non‑drifting year by the lights (Gen 1:14), and “evening to evening” is the biblical day‑boundary (Lev 23:32); the solstice/equinox quarter‑markers also fit the creation pattern of signs and seasons (Gen 1:14).
But the moment you ask, “When was day 1?” you step outside Scripture, because Genesis never gives a calendar start‑date, and Enoch/Jubilees—though ancient and found at Qumran—are not canon and therefore cannot define the biblical epoch.
Their age does not give them authority; Scripture alone does.
So yes, the fragments are interesting, but the dating of Enoch does not override the fact that Genesis is the inspired source, and only Genesis gives the structure of the year, not the starting timestamp.

The Flood account in Genesis chapters 7–8 provides specific months and days, along with several intervals measured in days.
The biblical dates are expressed in terms of Noah's age, such as the 600th year of his life, second month, seventeenth day. Those are real established dates and intervals. Enoch wasn't canonized because the council didn't know about Qumran.

Flood chronology — Genesis 7–8​

Event	Month / Day	Scripture
Noah enters the ark; the Flood begins	2nd month, 17th day	Genesis 7:11–13
Rain falls for 40 days and nights	40-day interval	Genesis 7:12, 17
Waters prevail for 150 days	150-day interval	Genesis 7:24
Ark rests on the mountains of Ararat	7th month, 17th day	Genesis 8:3–4
Mountaintops become visible	10th month, 1st day	Genesis 8:5
Noah opens the ark's window	After another 40 days	Genesis 8:6
Noah releases a dove, then waits seven days before releasing it again	7-day interval	Genesis 8:8–10
Noah waits another seven days and releases the dove again	7-day interval	Genesis 8:12
Waters have dried from the earth's surface	601st year, 1st month, 1st day	Genesis 8:13
Earth is dry; Noah is instructed to leave	601st year, 2nd month, 27th day	Genesis 8:14–19

 

[Churchgoer]

Exo 16:22-28
22 And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. 23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning. 24 And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein. 25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field. 26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none. 27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none. 28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

The principle is simple. Don't go gathering food on the sabbath when you can gather it the day before.

The labour was not to be done on the sabbath.

Jesus was walking through a field and plucked corn... was that labour ? No it wasn't. If Jesus was harvesting or laboring in the field it would have been breaking the sabbath. But what Jesus did was not labour.

Exo 20:9-10
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

agree, most people already follow this.
Except for necessity. Emergency.

 

[OMC]

The Flood account in Genesis chapters 7–8 provides specific months and days, along with several intervals measured in days.
The biblical dates are expressed in terms of Noah's age, such as the 600th year of his life, second month, seventeenth day. Those are real established dates and intervals. Enoch wasn't canonized because the council didn't know about Qumran.

Flood chronology — Genesis 7–8​

Event	Month / Day	Scripture
Noah enters the ark; the Flood begins	2nd month, 17th day	Genesis 7:11–13
Rain falls for 40 days and nights	40-day interval	Genesis 7:12, 17
Waters prevail for 150 days	150-day interval	Genesis 7:24
Ark rests on the mountains of Ararat	7th month, 17th day	Genesis 8:3–4
Mountaintops become visible	10th month, 1st day	Genesis 8:5
Noah opens the ark's window	After another 40 days	Genesis 8:6
Noah releases a dove, then waits seven days before releasing it again	7-day interval	Genesis 8:8–10
Noah waits another seven days and releases the dove again	7-day interval	Genesis 8:12
Waters have dried from the earth's surface	601st year, 1st month, 1st day	Genesis 8:13
Earth is dry; Noah is instructed to leave	601st year, 2nd month, 27th day	Genesis 8:14–19

Genesis says “in the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day” (Gen 7:11), which proves the calendar existed, but it does not tell you when that calendar began.
Scripture never identifies the first day of the first year of creation; it only shows that by Noah’s time the months and days were already established.
Enoch and Jubilees may be ancient, and Qumran may show they are older than Genesis in manuscript form, but age is not authority — canon is authority (2 Tim 3:16).
The councils didn’t “miss” Qumran; God never placed Enoch in the canon, and the canon alone defines the boundaries of revealed time.
So yes, Genesis gives real dates, but none of those dates tell you the epoch‑start, and non‑canonical books cannot supply what Scripture intentionally does not reveal.

 

[Churchgoer]

You should quit being a Judaiser. You have no business instructing believers in the law that no longer applies.

Is cooking allowed on sabbath day in ot time?
Wonder if people still do cooking on Saturday?
And people don't have any faithful God s people gathering on any day , yet they claim they follow the sabbath law by not laboring.

 

[TMS]

The law does not save us and neither does it make us righteous. "Whoever keeps the whole law, but stumbles at just one point, is guilty of breaking all of it." James 2:10

True... you got that right

So do we become saved from sin by removing the law or by the death of Jesus?

If we are not transgressing the law because the law has been removed, then we are not sinning.
We do not need to be saved from sin if the law has been removed.

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

We have been freed from the death that sin brings which is what the law reveals.
See the links...

Jesus died
Salvation by faith through grace
Salvation from sin
Free from the penalty of the law.
Not under the law...

But Rom 6:1-2
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Dead to sin = not a slave to sin, the flesh or old sinful nature has been put to death.

Rom 6:6-7
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Who do you serve?

Rom 6:15-16
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

We are not under law but under grace.

We are freed from the law by grace.

The law can't condemn us while we are under grace.

BUT DO WE CONTINUE TO SIN? GOD FORBID. NO.

under the law = under the condemnation. The law reveals sin.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[Churchgoer]

Genesis says “in the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day” (Gen 7:11), which proves the calendar existed, but it does not tell you when that calendar began.
Scripture never identifies the first day of the first year of creation; it only shows that by Noah’s time the months and days were already established.
Enoch and Jubilees may be ancient, and Qumran may show they are older than Genesis in manuscript form, but age is not authority — canon is authority (2 Tim 3:16).
The councils didn’t “miss” Qumran; God never placed Enoch in the canon, and the canon alone defines the boundaries of revealed time.
So yes, Genesis gives real dates, but none of those dates tell you the epoch‑start, and non‑canonical books cannot supply what Scripture intentionally does not reveal.

That's the reason I believe 7th is important. Every 7 days is a cycle. You can start today if you are a firefighter. He can start tomorrow is he is a doctor.
We should rest one day at least every 7 days. On this rest day, have a holy convocation rest in God.

 

[Toddini]

Genesis says “in the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day” (Gen 7:11), which proves the calendar existed, but it does not tell you when that calendar began.
Scripture never identifies the first day of the first year of creation; it only shows that by Noah’s time the months and days were already established.
Enoch and Jubilees may be ancient, and Qumran may show they are older than Genesis in manuscript form, but age is not authority — canon is authority (2 Tim 3:16).
The councils didn’t “miss” Qumran; God never placed Enoch in the canon, and the canon alone defines the boundaries of revealed time.
So yes, Genesis gives real dates, but none of those dates tell you the epoch‑start, and non‑canonical books cannot supply what Scripture intentionally does not reveal.

What about the Ethiopian Bible? What gave man the authority to pick and chose what went into the canon? Why is Catholic, Protestant and Jewish all different as well? Please don't hang your hat on a manmade Canon process.