Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[Churchgoer]

We have all had this conversation before.

While God/Jesus doesn't prefer war, sometimes it is necessary for God/Jesus to protect His people from Satan and anyone who wants to do them harm, regardless of their current state. Especially, when we already know that God has a specific plan and purpose for these people based on what has been written. Don't forget that while Jesus will ultimately bring peace into the world, He has to do it by returning with the Wrath of God. Does that mean He won't use people on the earth to carry out part of those plans before He returns to finish it off? The answer is "No".

Let's look at some history in the Bible:

God personally waged war against the Egyptians by destroying their army in the Red Sea and later commanded Israel to execute judgment on the Canaanites, who were deemed exceedingly wicked. In these conquests, God provided specific battle strategies, such as the collapse of Jericho’s walls after the Israelites marched and shouted, demonstrating that victory relied on divine intervention rather than conventional military might.

God directed ancient Israel’s armies to defend their land and enforce His laws, often intervening supernaturally to secure victory. Key examples include Gideon’s 300 men defeating the Midianites to prove God saves through His power, and King David receiving divine battle tactics to defeat the Philistines. God also fought for Israel without their direct combat, such as when He caused a coalition of enemies to rout themselves during King Jehoshaphat’s reign.

Heavenly hosts and angelic armies are depicted as executing God’s will alongside or instead of human forces. The commander of the Lord’s army appeared to Joshua to lead the conquest of Canaan, and Elisha’s servant saw mountains filled with "horses and chariots of fire" to protect Israel. Ultimately, biblical texts portray God as the Supreme Leader who determines when to wage war, ensuring that His people trust in His power rather than their own strength.

Currently the secular Israel is not children of God, so can't use ot examples.
Crossing the red Sea, at that time they were considered God's people.
Jericho wall, at that time they were God's people, following specific God's order.

Current Israel, not God's people, they are grabbing land, murdering people for self wealth gaining. Where in Bible God tell secular people to kill in the name of God?

 

[OMC]

People do not seem to understand that there was a time of transition between the old covenant and the new covenant, the new covenant was installed when Christ Jesus used the Roman Army to destroy the temple.

I'm sorry, I thought the New testament was established when He said, " It is finished".

 

[Churchgoer]

I'm sorry, I thought the New testament was established when He said, " It is finished".

Good morning ☺ brother

 

[HeIsHere]

I'm sorry, I thought the New testament was established when He said, " It is finished".

There was a time of transition, this can be plainly seen in the Book of Acts.

Also one could also realize what was finished in the spiritual realm was not yet fully realized in the earthly realm.

 

[OMC]

Good morning ☺ brother

Good morning sister

 

[OMC]

There was a time of transition, this can be plainly seen in the Book of Acts.

I agree there was a transition phase for the Jews that were following Old Testament traditions but Peter walked them through it. This is also the reason most the apostles and Jesus followed sabbath and other Jewish traditions. They were Jewish.

 

[Charlesiii]

People do not seem to understand that there was a time of transition between the old covenant and the new covenant, the new covenant was installed when Christ Jesus used the Roman Army to destroy the temple.

Daniel 9:27

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[HeIsHere]

I agree there was a transition phase for the Jews that were following Old Testament traditions but Peter walked them through it. This is also the reason most the apostles and Jesus followed sabbath and other Jewish traditions. They were Jewish.

So what is your point?

 

[Revelation1v8]

Currently the secular Israel is not children of God, so can't use ot examples.
Crossing the red Sea, at that time they were considered God's people.
Jericho wall, at that time they were God's people, following specific God's order.

Current Israel, not God's people, they are grabbing land, murdering people for self wealth gaining. Where in Bible God tell secular people to kill in the name of God?

For the last time, you have to take the ENTIRE BIBLE into consideration together. The Bible tells you that there will be a time when God/Jesus will RESTORE His land and a remnant of HIS people. Just because they aren't that way now, doesn't mean that none of them will ever be again. The whole Bible is story after story of God/Jesus "gathering His chickens like a hen" over and over again until He brings them to understanding, like so many prophets of the OT and Paul told you in Romans 11:25.

 

[OMC]

Also one could also realize what was finished in the spiritual realm was not yet fully realized in the earthly realm.

If we could get some scripture to back that up I would be intrested.

 

[OMC]

So what is your point?

Well you don't need the attitude sister, I was just pointing out that the NT started as the OT ended at the cross. And that's when it all became spiritual and no longer physical. OT being the shadow of the NT.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

God pours His spirit upon the people of the second temple restoration, and again on the day of Pentecost Acts 2, and on the Hebrew early church.
I understand that you have been taught to place the fulfillment date where it fits your doctrine, yet the Bible does not give you warrant to do that.
Perhaps you have never understood that this is wrong.



The "spin" that cv5 and yourself put on the ESV translation of Hebrews 9:28 is another example of much the same sort of thing.

Here it is in the ESV:
28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, NOT TO DEAL WITH sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

In the KJV:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time WITHOUT SIN unto salvation.

The words "without sin" are direct from the text, that simply says "choris hamartia".
So the ESV "not to deal with" bit is probably added in because of their commitment to free flowing English,
yet these are the words you have cashed in on to add your pretrib rapture spin.

These are just 2 examples of a characteristic I am seeing throughout dispensationalist interpretation, and I am not as much blaming you as much as I blame the doctrine itself.
You are both good dispensationalists, and these kinds of abuses of scripture are tricks of the trade.

“God pours His spirit upon the people of the second temple restoration, and again on the day of Pentecost Acts 2, and on the Hebrew early church.“

“And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭23:46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭16:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭

“For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭1:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

People do not seem to understand that there was a time of transition between the old covenant and the new covenant, the new covenant was installed when Christ Jesus used the Roman Army to destroy the temple.

I’d say the new went into effect when Jesus died and rose and entered the true heavenly temple having made atonement and reconciliation

abut the curse of the old wasn’t done until the destruction of Jerusalem as was foretold in the law and prophets .

but see the new is in place even in acts chapter two as we see then receiving the promise of the new covenant , the holy spirit of Christ Jesus . And we see the church being formed ect

for Israel thier covenant was coming to its culmination with the desolation of jeruswlem and thier temple during this time both covenants are there . One headed for its violent ending and another heading bc r eternal redemption and the new creation oromosed for ages

 

[Churchgoer]

For the last time, you have to take the ENTIRE BIBLE into consideration together. The Bible tells you that there will be a time when God/Jesus will RESTORE His land and a remnant of HIS people. Just because they aren't that way now, doesn't mean that none of them will ever be again. The whole Bible is story after story of God/Jesus "gathering His chickens like a hen" over and over again until He brings them to understanding, like so many prophets of the OT and Paul told you in Romans 11:25.

So this is what I kept saying, God do not need us to commit murdering to help His process.

For example, Jesus didn't instruct Judas ischariot to sell him and praise Judas action, correct?

Jesus didn't instruct the jew leaders and crowd to shout crucify and later praise their actions, correct?

Jesus have plan for all remnants to be saved, including all nations. So which nation do we pick to murder other nation today?

The answer should be none. Stay away from secular things.

Only stay loyal to God, obey His commands.

 

[HeIsHere]

If we could get some scripture to back that up I would be intrested.

For one thing Christ still needed to rise from the dead, so we need to know what Jesus meant when He stated "It is finished."

An end is not a moment in time, it can spread over a long period of time.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Daniel 9:27

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

That's funny, last I checked, Israel/Jerusalem is no longer desolate and neither are it's current people.

The confirmation of the covenant is with people, who survived, even while the ABOMINATIONS were being made desolate for that time.

 

[Revelation1v8]

So this is what I kept saying, God do not need us to commit murdering to help His process.

For example, Jesus didn't instruct Judas ischariot to sell him and praise Judas action, correct?

Jesus didn't instruct the jew leaders and crowd to shout crucify and later praise their actions, correct?

Jesus have plan for all remnants to be saved, including all nations. So which nation do we pick to murder other nation today?

The answer should be none. Stay away from secular things.

Only stay loyal to God, obey His commands.

Like others here, you're only showing that you have CHOSEN to ignore the history and the purposes/plans of God/Jesus as written. You can refuse to be a participant, but that's not going to stop God/Jesus from using people to fulfill His plans.

 

[cv5]

Do you got any wisdom on when the age to come starts? Is it after the second coming or only after the millennium?

Yes, we know PRECISELY when the millennial age starts. Right here.

[Rev 5:6-7 KJV]
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

THEN the seals come unloosed. But the incipient act is Rev 5:7, the taking of the title deed.

Many fail to understand that the Day of the Lord BEGINS with the 70th week of Daniel tribulation.
The tribulation itself is the beginning of the DOTL, the AGE TO COME.

 

[OMC]

For one thing Christ still needed to rise from the dead, so we need to know what Jesus meant when He stated "It is finished."

An end is not a moment in time, it can spread over a long period of time.

Jesus’ “It is finished” is a legal declaration that the atoning work required for salvation was completed at the cross, and Scripture itself defines the scope of that completion. The resurrection is not “the rest of the finishing”—it is the public vindication of the finished work, not the continuation of it.

 

[HeIsHere]

Jesus’ “It is finished” is a legal declaration that the atoning work required for salvation was completed at the cross, and Scripture itself defines the scope of that completion. The resurrection is not “the rest of the finishing”—it is the public vindication of the finished work, not the continuation of it.

Yes.

 

[HeIsHere]

Jesus’ “It is finished” is a legal declaration that the atoning work required for salvation was completed at the cross, and Scripture itself defines the scope of that completion. The resurrection is not “the rest of the finishing”—it is the public vindication of the finished work, not the continuation of it.

The passing of the old covenant order revealed what had already been established through His death, resurrection, ascension, and enthronement.