Aliens and Angels.
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Creatures reproduce after their own kind; but, anyway, she probably saw these things in a dream or vision- which can seem very much like consciousness.... so, she wouldnt get readings on a lie detector; because she believes what she's saying is true.
If you belive in grey aliens, the devils will entertain your belief, and show you grey aliens.
And pardon the blunt force; but this sounds like a, sci-fi romance novel club... not being judgy; but, its the more family oriented version of a Katy Perry fantasy.
You made a statement of your opinion that the travelers from the East were led by Satan, but I might have missed your post on the reasoning behind that.
What do you think of my case that it was God who led them?
The only star that i'm concerned with is the one that showed up and led them after they left Herod.
If we say it was from God then it appears that God is fighting against himself. When the wise men left Jesus they were headed back to tell Herod , but God intervenes and in a dream and tells them not to go back to Herod.
Plus this now sets in motion Herod wanting to kill Jesus which causes innocent children to be murdered. God could have avoided all of this by simply allowing his star to appear to the wise men just before they enter Jerusalem thus leading them to Jesus from there. Had he done so , Herod would never have known and innocent children would not have been murdered. Oh Yeah I nearly forgot , he also would not have had to send Joseph and family to Egypt to escape Herods wrath.
7Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, enquired of them diligently what time the star appeared. 8And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also. 9When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was. 10When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy. 11And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
I see where you are coming from now.
Consider this....
Herod enquired diligently because he and his advisors had no idea of the star. It was not visible when the caravan checked in as foreigners. King Herod was depending on the men to find Jesus for him and return to tell him where he was.
Nobody could see the star until after they left because it disappeared. That's why the wise men saw the star reappear and rejoiced after leaving him.
After they worshipped Jesus, left to go back another way, Herod tracked the route the wise men took after they were gone.
That's how he found the general area .
Joseph and Mary had gold to help pay expenses for living in Egypt until Herod died.
God used 3 methods of direction in fulfillment of prophecy.
A. Special Creation for this event
B. Dreams
C. An elect angel messenger
17Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, 18In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not. 19But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, 20Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life. 21And he arose, and took the young child and his mother, and came into the land of Israel.
True, but the star led them to the house in Bethlehem where Jesus was. We are not told that the star would have led them back to Herod had God not told them in a dream not to return. Indeed, they had just come from Jerusalem, just a few miles from Bethlehem, so they didn't need a star to lead them back to Herod.
He could have done so, but He didn't. All those Old Testament prophecies would have been wrong then, such as:
Mat 2:17 Then was fulfilled what was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying:
Mat 2:18 "A VOICE WAS HEARD IN RAMAH, LAMENTATION, WEEPING, AND GREAT MOURNING, RACHEL WEEPING FOR HER CHILDREN, REFUSING TO BE COMFORTED, BECAUSE THEY ARE NO MORE."
What about the Theory the Star was an Astrological sign and the 3 Wise men the Stars of Orions Belt that pointed to then Star? Jews are heavily into Astrology obviously.
The topic is about if Aliens are Angels. Its well established that Aliens and Abduction are real, despite your beliefs.
The “Orion’s Belt = three wise men” and “the star was an astrological sign” theories collapse instantly under the text itself.
Matthew 2:2 says the magi saw “his star in the east” — a single celestial event, not a constellation;
Matthew 2:9 says the star “went before them” and “stood over where the young child was,” which no fixed star or belt in Orion has ever done;
Matthew never calls the magi astrologers, never ties them to Orion, and never links Israel to astrology — in fact, Isaiah 47:13–14 mocks Babylon’s astrologers as powerless, Jeremiah 10:2 commands Israel “be not dismayed at the signs of heaven,” and Deuteronomy 18:10–12 forbids every form of divination.
The world‑system behind the theory is astrological myth‑mapping — taking pagan sky lore and retrofitting it onto the nativity.
The biblical reading is simpler: God used a supernatural sign to draw Gentile seekers, not a pagan horoscope; the magi followed revelation, not Orion; and Israel’s Scriptures reject astrology outright. Also, just point of fact, there were 3 gifts given, no where does it say there was 3 wise men, just the gifts.
Scripture never grants a third category of beings called aliens, never describes extraterrestrial civilizations, and never presents abduction phenomena as biological visitors — the only non‑human intelligences in the Bible are angels and fallen angels, period, and every supernatural encounter in Scripture fits one of those two categories.
The world‑system’s claim that “aliens and abductions are well‑established” is a materialist reinterpretation of experiences that Scripture already categorizes: beings that manifest, deceive, paralyze, speak false messages, or intrude on human perception match fallen‑angelic activity (2 Cor 11:14; Eph 6:12), not extraterrestrial biology; beings that appear with glory, light, and purpose match holy angels (Luke 2:9; Dan 9:21).
The Bible’s universe is brutally simple — God, humans, angels, rebels — and everything else claiming to be “from the stars” is either spiritual deception or misinterpreted phenomena, not a missing species Scripture forgot to mention. As I have said before, look closer to home for the deception of alien abductions and the like.
Herod had the power to make his own descisions and bow down to the Will of God, if you want to blame God for His actions on how He navigated it.
God bringing the Savior should not cause a man to want to murder. Instead, herod chose to be a mass-murderer of little babies when he could have just given the glory to God. So, in order for countless more lives of people who weren't insistant on being murders to be saved, the Christ was taken to safety and kept from destruction of men who make their own descicions.
Thanks for your opinion. I already posted a rebuttal of the Orions Belt/Wise man Theory in the Zeitgeist The Movie Topic.
You missed out Nephilim by the way. Also Angels/Fallen Angels are by definition Aliens. Not native to Earth or this Dimension. The question is do at least one of the 9 Orders of Angels/Fallen Angels use UFOs and Abduct Humans/Animals.
Good pushback, so let’s tighten it by text, not opinion.
Nephilim: Scripture defines them as the offspring of “the sons of God” and “the daughters of men” (Genesis 6:1–4), tied to angelic rebellion, not a separate “alien race.”
“Angels = aliens” claim: yes, in the bare sense of “not from earth,” angels are non‑terrestrial, but Scripture never uses that framing; it calls them ministering spirits (Hebrews 1:14), created beings in God’s heaven, not independent star‑civilizations.
The “nine orders of angels” is not Scripture but later tradition—biblically you get cherubim, seraphim, archangel, etc., but no fixed nine‑tier chart.
On “do some orders use UFOs and abduct humans/animals”: Scripture never mentions “craft,” “ships,” or technology used by angels or demons; what it does show is direct spiritual encounter—visions, trances, physical effects, deception, false signs and wonders (Luke 1:11–13; Acts 10:3; 2 Thessalonians 2:9–10).
So if modern abduction reports are real, the closest biblical category is fallen‑angelic deception and oppression, not a new angelic “order” with hardware. The universe in the text stays what we said: God, humans, loyal angels, rebels; Nephilim sit inside that rebellion, not outside it as “aliens,” and any “UFO theology” that goes beyond that is speculation, not Scripture.
All this leading people was to testify that the Christ was born. It was so that people from far countries could beleive the good news and be Saved from any time they chose to believe in God. Because there are murders in the world, God has to account for them, and make a plan where everyone gets a chance and no one gets an excuse.
God never intended to have to make a world where He would circumvent murders. God doesn't want to kill them instantly, He wants to give a chance until their sins are irredeemable. Herod had a lot of time to consider what he thinks and does.
He knowingly transgressed against prophecy.
God never intended to have to make a world where He would circumvent murders. God doesn't want to kill them instantly, He wants to give a chance until their sins are irredeemable. Herod had a lot of time to consider what he thinks and does.
He knowingly transgressed against prophecy.
It's hard for people to believe, but military technology is many years ahead of what the public knows about.
I've seen one of those 'floating white pills' over my house as well. No wings, no trail left behind. It's an interesting sight, but not angels or aliens. It might be a very advanced flying craft, but still one that's made and operated by men.
I've seen one of those 'floating white pills' over my house as well. No wings, no trail left behind. It's an interesting sight, but not angels or aliens. It might be a very advanced flying craft, but still one that's made and operated by men.
These are the kinds of things men have been up to since WWII:
The modern controversy about spacecraft and the CIA 'I believe' campaign only begun after all of this was already made, probably a way of manipulating the public into beleiving these top-secret things they're testing isn't actually high profile weapons.
The modern controversy about spacecraft and the CIA 'I believe' campaign only begun after all of this was already made, probably a way of manipulating the public into beleiving these top-secret things they're testing isn't actually high profile weapons.
Phil Schneider was a geological and structural engineer. For nearly two decades he worked on classified U.S. underground military bases.He claims that in 1954, under President Eisenhower, the government secretly signed a treaty with an alien group, bypassing Congress and the Constitution. He says the deal allowed the aliens to abduct a small number of cattle and test implant technology on a limited, tracked number of humans in exchange for advanced technology. He claims the aliens broke this agreement over time, expanding abductions far beyond what was agreed.He says this broken treaty led directly to a 1979 firefight at Dulce Base, New Mexico, the country's deepest underground facility at over two miles down. While helping drill tunnels for the base, he says his crew broke into a cavern already occupied by alien "Greys." He claims he shot and killed two of them before being hit by an alien weapon that burned through his ribs and exposed him to cobalt radiation, the injury he blames for the cancer that was killing him at the time of this speech. He says 66 government agents died in the battle and he was one of only three human survivors.He claims a hidden "black budget," separate from anything Congress approves, consumes roughly one quarter of U.S. GDP. He says this money built over 129 deep underground military bases across the country, some more than a mile deep, all linked by maglev trains capable of Mach 2.He also claims the government contracted for over 100,000 railroad cars fitted with shackles, and connects this to an underground "model prison" in Southern California, allegedly run by a private security contractor, holding thousands of federal inmates in total isolation.He warns that these programs are building toward a New World Order designed to disarm and control the American public, and urges the audience to study the Constitution, arm themselves, and organize locally to resist it. He mentions that a man had come to his apartment attempting to arrest him just two weeks before this speech.Schneider said repeatedly that he expected to be killed for speaking out. Two months later, in January 1996, he was found dead in his apartment. His death was ruled a suicide, but his family and many supporters believe he was murdered.