Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[Revelation1v8]

It was you and I that tested AI's answers and found it lacking. I warned you then about how you were using it and you ignored me.

Let's get to the real root of the matter. Why don't you show me where my recent posts, on the last few pages, are wrong and we'll work through them together so I can explain it again.

 

[cv5]

Hearing and then seeing is a theme in Revelation.

Before we get the first account of the 144,000, in the same book, John records this passage:

“Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?”
But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it.
I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. 5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”

While John is weeping, the elder says to him "See, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah..."
John hears "See, the Lion!" One would expect to turn and see some type of a lion.

But then John turns to look and he sees this:

"Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain..."

So he hears "Look a lion!" but John sees a lamb that looked like it had been slain.
Now, we know that the lion and the lamb refer to neither animal but to a specific person: Christ Jesus.

This pattern is also relevant to the passage in Revelation 7.

John hears the number of those who were sealed;

Revelation 7 "Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel."

And then the number from each tribe is enumerated:

"From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,
from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,
from the tribe of Gad... etc."

Notice, this was to be a list from "all the tribes of Israel" yet , if that was expected it falls short of the record: Dan is missing and Mannasseh, one of Joseph's sons, is added.
So, just from the text (and excluding any religious gymnastics) we should know that this is NOT a list of the physical tribes of Israel.

This is something else.

But let's continue...

So John hears "144,000 from the tribes of Israel!" (a specific number and specific types of people) and then he looks and sees...

"After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb."

...he sees a great multitude no one could count.

I could write nearly a page for every sentence above but let me conclude this:

Revelation 7 requires wisdom to understand, like the rest of the book. This is not a count of 144,000 Jews. It is something else.

What a flaming train wreck that is.
We futurist dispensationalists have all of those passages buttoned down neatly.

Inerrant eschatology is our calling card.

 

[OMC]

Let's get to the real root of the matter. Why don't you show me where my recent posts, on the last few pages, are wrong and we'll work through them together so I can explain it again.

I just asked you to show me proof of my mishandling of scripture using AI and how I trash it when its wrong and stand on it when its right. I am not letting that go. You attack my character and I demand proof of this.

 

[Revelation1v8]

I just asked you to show me proof of my mishandling of scripture using AI and how I trash it when its wrong and stand on it when its right. I am not letting that go. You attack my character and I demand proof of this.

I just asked you to do the same thing. If you don't agree with one of my posts, show me where you disagree and how you disagree and then I will respond, but don't take the cowardly or hypocritical way out by bashing A.I. as a deflection instead of attacking the argument itself.

 

[Churchgoer]

Until there were Jews, there was no need for the term "gentile."

It appears the term "Hebrew" was thought of retrospectively.
For as far as Abraham was concerned?
He was still Abram simply crossing the river.

The reason God gave him new name Abraham is because "ham" and his wife from sarai to Sarah with "h", that is God's name partially. YHVH.

Just like a woman marries, she will take husband s name.

So Abram took God's name to identify as man of YHVH.

 

[OMC]

I just asked you to do the same thing. If you don't agree with one of my posts, show me where you disagree and how you disagree and then I will respond, but don't take the cowardly or hypocritical way out by bashing A.I. as a deflection instead of attacking the argument itself.

I'm done with you. You accuse with no proof, you use AI to teach, you cant defend yourself so I will leave you to your thoughts and fantasies.

 

[cv5]

And yet you don't know that when Jesus says He is completely unhindered by Satan that Satan has been limited.

Would you care to chime in and properly identify this entity? And define his demise how and when? You failed to answer in the last post, so now is your big chance to convince us of the impeccability of your eschatology.

Are we to believe it when the historicists, amils and CT's postulate that this is the usual cast of straw men like Antiochus Epiphanies or Nero?

@Aaron56 @HeIsHere @Beekeeper ?
We really would like to know.

[2Th 2:8-10 KJV]
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

 

[Revelation1v8]

I'm done with you. You accuse with no proof, you use AI to teach, you cant defend yourself so I will leave you to your thoughts and fantasies.

LOL! You were the one who said you were going to ignore me for using A.I. instead of attacking the argument I was making. You're the one that can't defend yourself, that's why you make all of the threats!

 

[Genez]

Ahh ….. yes it was inherited from his descendant but that’s my whole point abram/ abraham father of many nations is the first Hebrew he wasn’t a gentile he’s who those henrews promises of Christ ….. came from

Abraham began as a gentile.

After Terah had lived 70 years, he became the father of Abram, Nahor and Haran.​

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Genesis 11:26​

His father, Terah, was an idol worshipper.
Terah "worshiped other gods".

Joshua said to all the people... ​

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“This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ​

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‘Long ago your ancestors, including Terah the father of Abraham and Nahor, ​

lived beyond the Euphrates River and worshiped other gods. Joshua 24:2​

I was even taught that while in I was yet in Judaism.
Abraham was a gentile who later became a Hebrew.


. . . . . . . .

 

[Revelation1v8]

I'm done with you. You accuse with no proof, you use AI to teach, you cant defend yourself so I will leave you to your thoughts and fantasies.

I can defend myself. You're mad because you think the Holy Spirit lives in us eternally, but He does not. The Holy Spirit only works as a bridge between us and God/Jesus because we're on earth and He's in Heaven. Once we are resurrected, and our bodies are made incorruptible by the Spirit, we won't need Him as a placeholder any longer. Also, when we're all in the New Jerusalem/Heaven, not only does "God become all in all", (Father/Son/Holy Spirit united as ONE with a NEW NAME), but we become "all in all" too. We will no longer need to bridge that gap because we will residing with GOD as ONE. We become one with Christ, just like He has been one with God. I think you're already familiar with what scriptures I'm speaking of here, but I'll pull them out for you if you don't.

 

[Genez]

The reason God gave him new name Abraham is because "ham" and his wife from sarai to Sarah with "h", that is God's name partially. YHVH.

Just like a woman marries, she will take husband s name.

So Abram took God's name to identify as man of YHVH.

Actually ...

Sarai was renamed Sarah because "Sarai" meant a contentious woman.

After she matured?
The Lord renamed her Sarah, meaning princess.

......

 

[Churchgoer]

Actually ...

Sarai was renamed Sarah because "Sarai" meant a contentious woman.

After she matured?
The Lord renamed her Sarah, meaning princess.

......

"H" is important part that added.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Abraham is Hebrew by lineage, Chaldean by origin, father of Israel by descent, and father of many nations by promise.

Yes the point is …..Abram is Hebrew not gentile

gentile is a term for non Jewish faith and lineage Jews came from Abraham’s lineage ……

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Abraham began as a gentile.

After Terah had lived 70 years, he became the father of Abram, Nahor and Haran.​

​

Genesis 11:26​

His father, Terah, was an idol worshipper.
Terah "worshiped other gods".

Joshua said to all the people... ​

​

“This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ​

​

‘Long ago your ancestors, including Terah the father of Abraham and Nahor, ​

lived beyond the Euphrates River and worshiped other gods. Joshua 24:2​

I was even taught that while in I was yet in Judaism.
Abraham was a gentile who later became a Hebrew.


. . . . . . . .

……. Gentile is a term that’s a by product of the term jew lol there were no such thing as gentiles until there were Jews …….

Abram was a Hebrew …..he’s never been a gentile

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yeah, "Melchizedek" is a title meaning "king of righteousness". I believe he was Shem. But the title is used as a symbol for the eternal presence of The King of Righteousness who is Christ.

We may even examine Jesus and conclude He cannot don the title because he has a birth date and death date and a mother and brothers. But the Spirit in Him, Christ, has always been: there is no beginning nor end of Him. Christ has no peer, although He may include, in Himself, anyone He calls.

That's how I understand it.

Also notice how the preisthood begins with melchezidek , but after that comes Moses and his law which makes Aaron and the levites the preisthood , then after Jesus rose up …….. he’s a preist forever after the line of melchezidek who was before the law

“And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever After the order of Melchisedec.

For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect,


but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:15-

 

[Genez]

You're mad because you think the Holy Spirit lives in us eternally, but He does not. The Holy Spirit only works as a bridge between us and God/Jesus because we're on earth and He's in Heaven. Once we are resurrected, and our bodies are made incorruptible by the Spirit, we won't need Him as a placeholder any longer. Also, when we're all in the New Jerusalem/Heaven, not only does "God become all in all", (Father/Son/Holy Spirit united as ONE with a NEW NAME), but we become "all in all" too. We will no longer need to bridge that gap because we will residing with GOD as ONE. We become one with Christ, just like He has been one with God. I think you're already familiar with what scriptures I'm speaking of here, but I'll pull them out for you if you don't.

Actually...

The Holy Spirit is not a bridge between us and God.
For the Holy Spirit is God.

That bridge you speak of?
That is our human spirit, which the Holy Spirit begat in us when we believed and became regenerate.

Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. John 3:6​

Our human spirit is not the Holy Spirit.

For the Holy Spirit teaches and guides our human spirit.

When all goes well?

The Holy Spirit brings to remembrance everything Jesus (God's Word) has taught us.
Ensuring that we can recall important teachings when needed. John 14:26

 

[Churchgoer]

Also notice how the preisthood begins with melchezidek , but after that comes Moses and his law which makes Aaron and the levites the preisthood , then after Jesus rose up …….. he’s a preist forever after the line of melchezidek who was before the law

“And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest, who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever After the order of Melchisedec.

For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect,


but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭7:15-

Beautiful
God is amazing

 

[Genez]

……. Gentile is a term that’s a by product of the term jew lol there were no such thing as gentiles until there were Jews …….

Abram was a Hebrew …..he’s never been a gentile

"Gentile" (goy) was a term used to describe a person from one of the nations outside of Israel.

As seen in Zechariah 8:23, which is describing what will take place during the Millennium.

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This is what the LORD Almighty says: “In those days ten people from all languages and nations ​

will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we ​

have heard that God is with you.’” Zechariah 8:23​

........

 

[cv5]

……. Gentile is a term that’s a by product of the term jew lol there were no such thing as gentiles until there were Jews …….

Abram was a Hebrew …..he’s never been a gentile

Your statement—

“Gentile is a term that's a byproduct of the term Jew; there were no Gentiles until there were Jews”

—is linguistically backwards.

“Nations” (gôyim) existed from the beginning. Israel was subsequently separated from among those nations as God's covenant nation.