Obedience REQUIRED

[Everlasting-Grace]

That's exactly what I said.

Paul did not teach justification by works. He taught justification by faith apart from works (Rom. 3:28; Eph. 2:8-9).

He also taught that believers will be judged according to their works at the Judgment Seat of Christ, not to determine salvation, but to determine reward (1 Cor. 3:12-15; 2 Cor. 5:10).

So there is no contradiction:

Salvation is a gift received by faith.

Rewards are earned through faithful service.

The same Paul who said we are saved "not of works" also said every believer's work will be tested by fire. The works do not save the believer, but they do matter to Christ.
In short, works are the evidence of salvation and the basis of reward, but they are never the basis of justification.

the op is about obedience being required for salvation.

Please pay attention.

Obedience is not required for salvation.

its not required for anything.

Obedience is a new creations new life..

 

[Lamar]

Obedience is one of the evidences of salvation.

Obedience is not "evidence" or proof that a person is saved. That is absurd.

Thinking that you are right with God because you believe you are obedient is poppycock.

Following or obeying the directions of God is simply how one is saved not evidence of a saved state.

 

[Burn1986]

I would be careful is with the statement that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is "the birthplace of the spirit."
Scripture teaches that a person is born again by the Spirit (John 3:5-8) and belongs to Christ because they have the Spirit (Rom. 8:9). Many Christians therefore see the new birth and receiving the Spirit as occurring at conversion.
If by "baptism of the Holy Spirit" you mean a subsequent empowering for service, boldness, ministry, and greater sensitivity to God's leading, then I can understand what you're describing from Acts.
So I'd put it this way:
the Spirit absolutely sharpens our hearing, empowers our walk, and enables effective ministry.
The question isn't whether God leads His people.
The question is how we distinguish His leading from our own thoughts.
That's why even Spirit-filled believers are told to test, discern, and examine what they receive rather than assume every impression is from

I mistyped saying the baptism of the Holy Spirit is the birthplace of the Spirt. I meant to say it’s how a man is born of the Spirit.

Again, there’s that word careful. I think a better word would be “You’re wrong” or “You’re possibly off.”

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Obedience is not "evidence" or proof that a person is saved. That is absurd.

Thinking that you are right with God because you believe you are obedient is poppycock.

Following or obeying the directions of God is simply how one is saved not evidence of a saved state.

this person puts him self under law (obedience)

I wish him luck

 

[OMC]

I mistyped saying the baptism of the Holy Spirit is the birthplace of the Spirt. I meant to say it’s how a man is born of the Spirit.

Again, there’s that word careful. I think a better word would be “You’re wrong” or “You’re possibly off.”

Fair enough. If you meant that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is how a man is born of the Spirit, then my concern remains the same, but you're right that "be careful" may not have been the best wording.
The reason I responded that way is because I wasn't sure whether you were misspeaking or intentionally equating Spirit baptism with the new birth.
If you're intentionally making that identification, then I'd simply say I think you're wrong rather than merely needing caution.
My hesitation comes from the fact that many Christians distinguish between the new birth passages, such as John 3, and the baptism of the Spirit passages, such as Acts 1 and Acts 2. So the debate is not over whether a man must be born of the Spirit, but whether that is identical to what Scripture calls the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
In other words, my disagreement is not with the necessity of the Spirit's work in regeneration.
It's with the claim that regeneration and Spirit baptism are always the same event.

 

[Yissachar]

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abomination - Strong's Number H8263 matches the Hebrew שֶׁקֶץ (šeqeṣ), which occurs 11 times in 11 verses in the Hebrew Bible.

Lev 7:21 Moreover the soul that shall touch any unclean thing, as the uncleanness of man, or any unclean beast, or any abominable H8263 unclean thing, and eat of the flesh of the sacrifice of peace offerings, which pertain unto the LORD, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.

Lev 11:10
And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination H8263 unto you:

Lev 11:11
They shall be even an abomination H8263 unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.

Lev 11:12
Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination H8263 unto you.

Lev 11:13
And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: H8263 the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,

Lev 11:20
All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination H8263 unto you.

Lev 11:23
But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination H8263 unto you.

Lev 11:41
And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth shall be an abomination; H8263 it shall not be eaten.

Lev 11:42
Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, and whatsoever goeth upon all four, or whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping things that creep upon the earth, them ye shall not eat; for they are an abomination. H8263

Isa 66:17
They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, H8263 and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

Eze 8:10
So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable H8263 beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about.

Leviticus Chapter 11 from the first verse until the its last verse - 1 - 47 = 11 - teaches what is Clean = Food and what is unclean = not food. What is Holy, what is not holy-abominations

JESUS, He is the same yesterday today and forever, He changes not

The first 2 verses where the words "Be ye holy, for I am Holy" are found are in Leviticus chapter 11

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Verse 30391 | 1 Peter 1: 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am Holy.

30391 = The 3284th prime number

3) Verse 3284 | Leviticus 19:2

Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am Holy.


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[GRACE_ambassador]

Obedience required?
For what?

Of course, Scripturally, Under Grace, For Gentiles to Be Baptized By The [ One ] Spirit Baptism

Into The Body Of Christ, obedience is required For God's Eternal Salvation:​

Faith, trust, and belief Is obedience, Correct?:

"That we should be to the Praise of His Glory, who first trusted in Christ. In Whom ye ​

also trusted, after that ye heard the Word of Truth, The Gospel of your salvation: in Whom ​

also after that ye believed, ye Were Sealed With That Holy Spirit of Promise, Which Is The ​

Earnest of our inheritance Until The Redemption of The Purchased possession, Unto The ​

Praise Of His Glory." (Ephesians 1:12-14 AV) ​

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"For By Grace Are ye Saved Through faith ; and That not of yourselves: ​

It Is The Gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast...." ​

(Ephesians 2:8-9 AV) ​

And, of course, obedience is required for rewards At Judgment, Correct?:

"...For we are His Workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, ​

which God Hath before Ordained that we should walk in them." ​

(Ephesians 2:10 AV) { All Grace commands in Romans - Philemon AV) }​

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Obviously, unfaithful saints will not walk as they should, and disobedience of saints
will suffer loss [ critics say: "loss of Eternal Salvation = Eternal Condemnation" ],

But, testing the doctrine: "What Saith The Scriptures"? - Notice Paul's letter:

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"...to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called saints, with all that in ​

every place call upon The Name of Jesus Christ our Lord..." (1 Corinthians 1:2 AV) ​

An 'Eternally sanctified' but unfaithful saint?:

"To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that ​

the spirit may Be Saved In The [ Judgment ] Day of The Lord Jesus" ​

(1 Corinthians 5:5 AV) [ critics scream and cry = Impossible! ]:​

But, [ The "All things are Possible" ] God Says: "The Judgment Seat Of Christ":

"Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall​

receive his own reward according to his own labour. For we are labourers​

together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.​

According to The Grace Of God Which Is Given Unto me, as a wise masterbuilder,​

I have laid The Foundation, and another buildeth Thereon. But let every man take​

heed how he buildeth Thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that​

is laid, Which Is Jesus Christ.​

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Now if any man build upon This Foundation gold, silver, precious stones, [ obedience? ]​

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wood, hay, stubble; [ disobedience? ]​

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Every man's work shall be made manifest: for The Day Shall Declare it, because​

it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.​

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If any man's work abide which he hath built Thereupon, he shall receive a reward.​

If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself Shall Be Saved;​

yet so as by fire." (1 Corinthians 3:8-15 AV)​

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Conclusion: God's Truth, Under Grace = "Simplicity In Christ":

Yes, obedience is Required For Both Eternal Salvation And For rewards thereafter, eh?​

Also, testing: Not to be Mixed Up With / Homogenized With God's Law To Israel, Correct?​

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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.