Who here has made that claim?
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See now making blanket statements such as this leads people to believe we can go ahead and live in sin and still be saved which is false doctrine.
Grave danger? Of what exactly?
You really believe there's no hope of the Holy Spirit empowering Christians to not live in sin?
We can't do all things through Christ Who strengthens us? - Philippians 4:13
And what happens if they reject His discipline and correction and continue to live in sin?
What then?
God may end their life to stop their sin affecting themself and others. That's what happened to Annanias. But there is not a case of hell being the consequence.
"The wages of sin is death."
In OT Hebrew the word "hell" is "sheol". It means "the grave".
In NT Greek the word is "Geenna" which referred to the cemetery in the valley of Hinnom, south of Jerusalem, where the filth and dead animals of the city were cast out and burned.
Correct, Paul teaches this doctrine very Plainly and Clearly:
Testing the doctrine: "What Saith The Scriptures"? - Notice Paul's letter:
"...to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called saints, with all that in
every place call upon The Name of Jesus Christ our Lord..." (1 Corinthians 1:2 AV)
An 'Eternally sanctified' but unfaithful saint?:
"To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that
the spirit may Be Saved In The [ Judgment ] Day of The Lord Jesus"
(1 Corinthians 5:5 AV) [ critics scream and cry = Impossible! ]:
But, [ The "All things are Possible" ] God Says: "The Judgment Seat Of Christ":
"Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall
receive his own reward according to his own labour. For we are labourers
together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
According to The Grace Of God Which Is Given Unto me, as a wise masterbuilder,
I have laid The Foundation, and another buildeth Thereon. But let every man take
heed how he buildeth Thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that
is laid, Which Is Jesus Christ.
Now if any man build upon This Foundation gold, silver, precious stones, [ obedience? ]
wood, hay, stubble; [ disobedience? ]
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for The Day Shall Declare it, because
it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
If any man's work abide which he hath built Thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself Shall Be Saved;
yet so as by fire." (1 Corinthians 3:8-15 AV)
-------------And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:
The Bible: The BIG Picture
Amen.
That's a fake gospel. The wages of sin is not to be rewarded with going to Heaven.
The devil has been very successful in getting many in these last days to believe one can live in sin and still go to Heaven.
He told Adam and Eve if they ate of the tree they would not die after God said they die and of course they died and satan was found to be a liar. He continues his lying ways today.
I wrote..."Forgiveness does await those who will actually turn from sin."
I don't see how that gives a continuing sinner any hope of salvation.
Danger of not seeing their names in the book of life on the day of judgement, and then eternity in the lake of fire.
I tend to agree.
Look at the Great Flood.
If God had allowed humanity to stay on it's course of rebellion against Him what would the world be like today?
Possible they may have completely destroyed themselves before Messiah could come.
No salvation for anyone.
In God's mercy He saved a faithful few and destroyed all the rest to protect/defend His children (even those yet to come) against what the devil wanted.
People think this means they don't need to turn from sin. A lot of people now teach that turning away from sin is works based salvation and is trying to earn one's salvation
Bingo! Correct.
We confess sins to regain the filling of the Spirit.
That is why we have been given 1 John 1:9.
Why?
When we sin the Holy Spirit can not be one with us in a sin.
We can not lose our salvation because Jesus died for all sins.
But we can lose out on being led of the Spirit into maturing in Christ.
Not everyone will be glorifying Christ in their walk.
When they go before the Lord they will be saved.
But they will lose something that will shame them deeply.
They will lose rewards the Lord wanted us to have so we could share with Him his life in a deep intimate way.
Here we go. - 1 Corinthians 3:11-15.
We can not lose our salvation.
But! We can lose rewards that God desired for us to have for all eternity.
For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.
If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw,
their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be
revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. If what has
been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will
suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.
Even though we can not lose our salvation.
It would painfully break our heart to know we did not please the Lord.
grace and peace .......
I can't understand why.
That is the devil's aim with all the false doctrines that accommodate sin.
The reformed are taught that God made them a sinner putting sin in them when He formed them in the womb and as such they will never ever be able to stop sinning, and they are taught anybody those does stop sinning is trying to earn their salvation.
Yep, and they don't even know they have been ensnared by the devil.
If you're referring to Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5, then what wattie said is a reasonable observation from the text.
God judged them with physical death because they lied to the Holy Spirit, but the passage never says they were condemned to hell.
In fact, when people argue that a believer can be disciplined severely by God, even to the point of death, Acts 5 is often one of the examples cited.
Other passages point in a similar direction:
1 Corinthians 11:30 says some believers in Corinth were weak, sick, and had died because of their abuse of the Lord's Supper.
1 John 5:16-17 speaks of a "sin unto death."
1 Corinthians 5:5 speaks of delivering a man to Satan "for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."
What is notable is that in these passages, the stated consequence is temporal judgment, discipline, sickness, or death.
The text does not explicitly say the individuals were condemned to hell because of those sins.
No, its not because he is reading in to the text something it never says which is the belief these people were awarded Heaven for their sin. The wages of sin is spiritual death, not life eternal with the Lord.
When one accepts the whole counsel of God they would know that sin separates people from the Lord.
Then you are verifying publicly that you believe we can all live in sin and still go to Heaven then, right?
Living in sin is the new "righteousness" in these last days?
1 John 3:8 - He that committeth sin is of the devil
1 John 3:7 - Little children, let no man deceive you: he that DOES righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
Romans 6:16 - Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
I don't believe that follows from what I said.
There is a significant difference between saying "the text does not state they were condemned to hell" and saying "people can live in sin and still inherit eternal life."
I have said neither the first proves salvation nor the second proves condemnation.
My point is simply that Acts 5 records God's judgment upon Ananias and Sapphira, but the passage itself does not explicitly tell us their eternal destiny.
The verses you cite rightly teach that believers are not to continue in sin.
Romans 6, 1 John 3, and many other passages warn against a life characterized by rebellion against God.
However, those passages do not establish that Ananias and Sapphira were eternally lost.
To reach that conclusion, one must demonstrate it from the text rather than assume it.
Scripture tells us they lied to the Holy Spirit and that God struck them dead.
Scripture does not tell us that they were cast into hell.
Therefore, I think we should be careful not to go beyond what is written (1 Cor. 4:6).
We can affirm the seriousness of their sin and God's temporal judgment without claiming certainty where the text itself is silent.
But if a person knows and believes all of God's Word they would know that the wages of sin is spiritual death which is being separated from the Lord.
These people never asked for forgiveness or repented from their sin. They kept their charade (sin) going right up until they fell over dead so they went to hell.
The position are are advocating for is that we can all live in sin and still go to Heaven which is false doctrine and not what the Lord teaches in His Word.
If one believes the whole counsel of God then they know these people went to hell.
Scriptures does teach those who live in sin who never repent, get born again, and abide in Christ do go to hell.
I saying we need to go BY what is written and actually accept the whole counsel of God and refrain from being cherry pickers which is how satan deceives so many
Scripture does not say doing heroin is a sin either, but if a person accepts and actually believes the whole counsel of the Lord then they understand that doing heroin is in fact sinful behavior.
The idea that people do not need to repent and turn away from their sin are still in right standing with the Lord and will still go to Heaven is actually a doctrine of demons because it teaches that we can sow to the flesh and not reap corruption which is mocking God - Gal 6
And some claim the Lord was so impressed with these people that He rewarded them with Heaven!
And others claim they are burning now in an eternal hell.
What's the point?
You are both wrong on this matter.