Who here has made that claim?I agree.
A Christian's life should be of always growing, become better than before.
Some, though, would have us believe it no longer matters if we still sin (and go on to more sins) once saved.
Who here has made that claim?I agree.
A Christian's life should be of always growing, become better than before.
Some, though, would have us believe it no longer matters if we still sin (and go on to more sins) once saved.
Forgiveness does await those who will actually turn from sin.
But those walking in darkness/sin are in grave danger
but we will always be sinners
And what happens if they reject His discipline and correction and continue to live in sin?A daughter or son of God will also have discipline and correction.
God may end their life to stop their sin affecting themself and others. That's what happened to Annanias. But there is not a case of hell being the consequence.See now making blanket statements such as this leads people to believe we can go ahead and live in sin and still be saved which is false doctrine.
Grave danger? Of what exactly?
You really believe there's no hope of the Holy Spirit empowering Christians to not live in sin?
We can't do all things through Christ Who strengthens us? - Philippians 4:13
And what happens if they reject His discipline and correction and continue to live in sin?
What then?
"The wages of sin is death."God may end their life to stop their sin affecting themself and others. That's what happened to Annanias. But there is not a case of hell being the consequence.
Correct, Paul teaches this doctrine very Plainly and Clearly:God may end their life to stop their sin affecting themself and others. That's what happened to Annanias. But there is not a case of hell being the consequence.
God may end their life to stop their sin affecting themself and others. That's what happened to Annanias. But there is not a case of hell being the consequence.
I wrote..."Forgiveness does await those who will actually turn from sin."See now making blanket statements such as this leads people to believe we can go ahead and live in sin and still be saved which is false doctrine.
Danger of not seeing their names in the book of life on the day of judgement, and then eternity in the lake of fire.Grave danger? Of what exactly?
I tend to agree.That's a fake gospel. The wages of sin is not to be rewarded with going to Heaven.
The devil has been very successful in getting many in these last days to believe one can live in sin and still go to Heaven.
He told Adam and Eve if they ate of the tree they would not die after God said they die and of course they died and satan was found to be a liar. He continues his lying ways today.
I wrote..."Forgiveness does await those who will actually turn from sin."
I don't see how that gives a continuing sinner any hope of salvation.
Danger of not seeing their names in the book of life on the day of judgement, and then eternity in the lake of fire.
A friend of mine is saying well know ministers teach that all future sins have already been forgiven even before they are ever committed.
Is this actually true? If it is then what is stopping christians from doing sinful things knowing they are already foriven ahead of time?
Also if someone never confesses their sins after being saved does that mean those sins are not forgiven. I heard a preacher say once that we have to confess our sins if we expect to be cleansed from all unrighteousness and he said 1 john 1-9 makes that clear
I can't understand why.People think this means they don't need to turn from sin.
That is the devil's aim with all the false doctrines that accommodate sin.A lot of people now teach that turning away from sin is works based salvation and is trying to earn one's salvation
Bingo! Correct.
I can't understand why.
That is the devil's aim with all the false doctrines that accommodate sin.
If you're referring to Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5, then what wattie said is a reasonable observation from the text.That's a fake gospel. The wages of sin is not to be rewarded with going to Heaven.
The devil has been very successful in getting many in these last days to believe one can live in sin and still go to Heaven.
He told Adam and Eve if they ate of the tree they would not die after God said they die and of course they died and satan was found to be a liar. He continues his lying ways today.
If you're referring to Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5, then what wattie said is a reasonable observation from the text.
the passage never says they were condemned to hell.
The text does not explicitly say the individuals were condemned to hell because of those sins.
I don't believe that follows from what I said.No, its not because he is reading in to the text something it never says which is the belief these people were awarded Heaven for their sin. The wages of sin is spiritual death, not life eternal with the Lord.
When one accepts the whole counsel of God they would know that sin separates people from the Lord.
Then you are verifying publicly that you believe we can all live in sin and still go to Heaven then, right?
Living in sin is the new "righteousness" in these last days?
1 John 3:8 - He that committeth sin is of the devil
1 John 3:7 - Little children, let no man deceive you: he that DOES righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
Romans 6:16 - Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
My point is simply that Acts 5 records God's judgment upon Ananias and Sapphira, but the passage itself does not explicitly tell us their eternal destiny.
However, those passages do not establish that Ananias and Sapphira were eternally lost.
To reach that conclusion, one must demonstrate it from the text rather than assume it.
Scripture does not tell us that they were cast into hell.
Therefore, I think we should be careful not to go beyond what is written (1 Cor. 4:6).
Scripture does not tell us that they were cast into hell.
Ananias and Sapphira stole from God, lied to the apostles, lied to the Holy Spirit (all for the sake of mammon).I don't believe that follows from what I said.
There is a significant difference between saying "the text does not state they were condemned to hell" and saying "people can live in sin and still inherit eternal life."
I have said neither the first proves salvation nor the second proves condemnation.
My point is simply that Acts 5 records God's judgment upon Ananias and Sapphira, but the passage itself does not explicitly tell us their eternal destiny.
The verses you cite rightly teach that believers are not to continue in sin.
Romans 6, 1 John 3, and many other passages warn against a life characterized by rebellion against God.
However, those passages do not establish that Ananias and Sapphira were eternally lost.
To reach that conclusion, one must demonstrate it from the text rather than assume it.
Scripture tells us they lied to the Holy Spirit and that God struck them dead.
Scripture does not tell us that they were cast into hell.
Therefore, I think we should be careful not to go beyond what is written (1 Cor. 4:6).
We can affirm the seriousness of their sin and God's temporal judgment without claiming certainty where the text itself is silent.
Ananias and Sapphira stole from God, lied to the apostles, lied to the Holy Spirit (all for the sake of mammon).
Then they dropped dead trying to get away with it.
And others claim they are burning now in an eternal hell.And some claim the Lord was so impressed with these people that He rewarded them with Heaven!