Not all people on earth sin, as some have turned from sin and started to walk in the Light...in Whom is no darkness.
There are no sinful believers, but only unbelieving transgressors.
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And so, once again, we don't see any corrections to the original argument of the Scriptures given, but only unbelieving objections of someone's own personal ideologies, or otherwise unrelated postings.
The argument stands as given: Scripture shows that sinners disobedient to the Lord Jesus are not His own believers. And if any of His one time believers begin to disobey Him, then they make themselves unbelieving children of disobedience with the world.
Jas 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Heb 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,...
Heb 6:6
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; Seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
The argument stands as given: Scripture shows that sinners disobedient to the Lord Jesus are not His own believers. And if any of His one time believers begin to disobey Him, then they make themselves unbelieving children of disobedience with the world.
Jas 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Heb 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,...
Heb 6:6
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; Seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Your welcome. I would apreciate any kind of correction to how it's taught, or any additional help. Thanks.
I've been a non-sinner since I repented of sinning against Jesus for His love's sake. I did seek Jesus while still sinning, until I understood that no transgressing against His commandments is acceptable to Him.
The Lord Jesus Christ the righteous only accepts unconditional surrender.
Exactly, especially the simple truths found in Scripture, that some sinners wilfully remain blind to.
1Jo 1:5
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jo 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him is not sinning: whosoever is sinning hath not seen him, neither known him.
Both Scriptures declare the same truth: No person on earth sinning and walking in darkness can also be walking in God's light, and is in Christ Jesus, in whom is no sinning.
Disobedient sinners cannot possibly be a believing member in the body of Jesus Christ. Unless the Scripture is false, or certain sinners reject the Scriptures, and preach their own sinful Christ instead.
Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
If we are ever sinning with the world, we are also disobedeint children of the world, and make ourselves unbelieving members and servants of the god of this world.
Eph 2:1
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Oh, an exact date? I know the exact place and moment, but only the year in 1991 or 1992.
I was still in the military and the exact place was a church in Tillicum, Wa, outside Ft Lewis. I repented of sinning, raised my hands to thank Jesus for His forgiveness, and He poured His Holy Ghost, as oil first upon fingertips, then hands, head, and chest, shining His light at once, and filling my heart with His pure Holy Spirit.
I was 32, and found and saw what it is to surely see the light, and know Jesus Christ personally for myself.
His life, Spirit, sureness, and Spirit reamins with me, with prayer, Bible reading, hearing His gospel preached, and walking His way where ever I must go, or rest, or endure in this life.
I have since learned by Scripture, that the prophets and apostle of Jesus Christ speak of these things in detail for anyone that would also repent, believe and recieve Him the same as all His holy saints on earth.
Amen brother. All by mercy and grace of our Lord Jesus.
Not only true, but also the only response needed to so-called unconditional salvation.
The only thing undonditional about Jesus' eternal salvation, is unconditional surrender and obedience to Him personally.
Heb{5:8}
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Jesus does not accept any enemy sinner, that brings his own conditional repentance, and own personal manner of sanctification in their own time.
Complete salvation and justification of Jesus Christ, is only with His complete salvation and sanctification from sinning against Him:
Mat 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sinning.
1 Cor 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind…
1Co 6:11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
No thanks. I only try to take you are your own words, and try to actually apply them to the argumetn at hand. But then your MO is never to own up to them, when they prove your own double speak.
And I only continue do so, so long as it remains interesting. Other times, I just skip over your childish trolling.
1Co 13:11
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
The thing is here, that you mistake what this is all about. It has nothing to do with what you personalyl think. I honestly don't care. If I can make something of it, then I do. If not, I don't, and dismiss it out of hand.
I'm only hear for Scripture, and the right teaching of Scripture of God. And the only One I seek to please and care about personally, is the Lord Jesus, and handling His words honestly and well.
2Co 4:2
But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully;
Which can include some good correction for me by Him, through other good teachers. It may not be often, but it certainly good and helpful. Not just about doctrine, but also about living and walking with my Lord Jesus.
In that regard, most of your stuff is usually just personal and meaningless, but on some rare occsations worth responding to.
And so, there you have it from me personally. I rare thing, but I have to say you've earned it, by all your consistently personal stuff yourself.
Now back to your usual stuff, or nothing more, which would also be just fine with me...
When a light is shined in a dark room , it sometimes reveals that things aren’t quite in order …
“But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”…..
“Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like. They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built.
But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.””
Luke 6:35-38, 46-49 NIV
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”
John 12:48 KJV
I think some folks don’t bother looking at thier own sin in the light and never acknowledge it to begin with so they might think they have no sin
“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
1 John 1:8-10 KJV
It’s true that sin is unacceptable it’s also personal based on what the person knows is sin
“Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.”
James 4:17 KJV
It’s also true that Jesus doctrine deals with sin we commit later
“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
Matthew 6:14-15 KJV
This is of the doctrine because he already knows people are imperfect and will still sometimes sin. It’s why we have repentance confession atonement a propitiation . This doesn’t mean we’re free to sin it means that when we do happen to stumble we have atonement and doctrine wherein we can repent and be forgiven . “Mercy for the merciful judgement for the judgemental “ but all have sinned
“Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.””
Luke 6:36-38
some day every word we have spoken we will be held to account for and every action as well . But we can have mercy that day or judgement without mercy
“because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.”
James 2:13 NIV
Its going to be what Jesus said in the gospel that judges us in truth we’ve all sinned and need mercy come that day we give account
If we go biblically …..anyone who’s ever stoked a fire , prepared food , or done any work at all on a sabbath day for instance ……. Is commiting sin . A sin of death actually. Anyone who has ever coveted anything or anyone …….is commiting sin.
the idea is that Jesus actually came to save the sinners , he didn’t come to save those who believe they are righteous . And it’s interesting that the sinners came to him and listened and became followers but the self righteous they always stood far away and sneered . when he began to preach sermons like this I wonder why that is ?
Sinners came flocking to hear him but the self righteous stayed away and judged everyone from a distance
““Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
…So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.”
Matthew 7:1-2, 7-8, 12 NIV
I'm not so sure about that, but maybe.
I find it intersting that folks can cite verse 8 as a defense for their sin, and not even realize the next verse negates their POV.
I mean, "no man can be without sin", but, here is the way to be without sin !
Nobody has used that one against me, personally, as everyone has sinned in their past.
Yes.
Those sins are not the true believer's 'later'.
It is the unbeliever's later.
I disagree, as by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, men can be, and remain, free from sin.
BTW, Jesus is also speaking to the pre-resurrection crowd, in Matt 6.
None of them were walking in and after the Spirit yet.
Yes.
I am glad Paul wrote..."Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after." (1 Tim 5:24)
The true believer's past sins were dealt with, and our wage for sin paid/occurred, at our water baptism into Jesus' death. (Rom 6:3)
Who is your "we", in that sentence ?
Not the believers, as we have had our past sins washed away at our baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.
That only apples to OT Israelites...not Gentiles
Those seeking to be righteous with God, will come to Him for that righteousness.
Those content to be made to feel righteous, without the actual reighteousness, will sneer right up to the kast day.