Oh, okay! If it makes you feel better, God knows who obeys Him and resists sin through the Holy Spirit. Their accusations don't impact the obedient Christians' salvation.
Obedience REQUIRED
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Oh, okay! If it makes you feel better, God knows who obeys Him and resists sin through the Holy Spirit. Their accusations don't impact the obedient Christians' salvation.
If you are going to attack what I say, WRITE OUT ALL I SAID, and not just a piece of it.
The debate is whether the biblical warnings describe genuine believers losing salvation or people who were never truly saved in the first place. That's what I said. I don't mind debating issues with folks, But if you start twisting and cutting what ppl say. You are not worth replying to.
By your post you actually confirm that you do not comprehend Jesus Christ is THE Savior.
Christ in me.
Without Him being in me, I would still be a drunken drug addict, with unstoppable cravings.
Do you agree with me then on the fact that it is those without Christ in the that commit the sins ?
I have never suggested that a saved person is not to obey our Lord.
I strive to do so each day. Many times I fail. When I do I ask for forgiveness and I am thankful God will forgive and not cast me away.
But you are saying a saved person must be obedient, not sin , to keep himself saved.
That is works for salvatiom.
If you believe you live without sin, you are more confused than I thought.
Every time you say a saved person must be obedient to keep his salvation, you sin.
Balderdash.
So what if it "works" salvation, as long as it isn't the works of the Law for salvation, it doesn't matter.
Life is work, in case you haven't noticed.
Life in Christ is even more work; from resisting temptation and being merciful to the needy, to prayer and worship, its all labor !
Thankfully though, with Christ in us, the load is a light one.
1 John 1:8 - If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
The only way I or anybody can obey is because of the Holy Spirit living with my spirit and I submit to His leadership. That is not working to be saved or keep myself saved, that is because I am saved.What if they're NOT earning their salvation but are already saved and just obeying God and resisting sin because the Holy Spirit has been causing them to do those things?
You can't accuse ALL who obey God and resist sin as working for their salvation. It may actually be the Holy Spirit doing His work in changing that person to Christlikeness.
But surely you do not believe you never fail.
If a person is trying to be obedient to be saved or to keep his salvation, he is being deceived by Satan.
Jesus is the only person that lived without sin.
The question is, Why are you doing those works?
Is it for salvation or because you love the one who died for your sins?
For one to believe they are entirely free of sin 24/7 (have no sin/have not sinned -1 John 1:8-10) blinds them to reality and confirms that the truth/His word is not in them.
Freed18, everyone in the flesh commits sin. But where there is no law, there is no transgression, and sin is not imputed. Look at Romans 5:13, which states clearly that "sin is not imputed when there is no law." Further, Romans 4:15 says, "for where no law is, there is no transgression". Christ has removed His spiritual family from being under that jurisdiction; their sins will never be counted to their account - they have been fully justified by Christ. They are not by judged their actions but by Christ's and that is what makes Christ alone THE Savior and not them.
I do them because my Father's seed only brings forth good fruit.
And I do them so I will find my name in the book of life on the day of judgement.
There is no Christian who walks in the "flesh".
We all walk in the Spirit, the light-God, in whom is no sin-darkness.
First of all, which "flesh" do you refer to ?
Skin and bones, flesh ?
Or a worldly oriented mind, "flesh" ?
Skin and bones cannot make anybody commit sin.
But the worldy oriented mind sure can.
Second of all, who is the Law for ?
Doesn't Paul say it is for "the disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;" (1 Tim 1:9-10) ?
If a man is doing those things, he is still under the Law.
Paul also writes..."Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (Gal 5:19-21)
Folks doing the works of "flesh" shall not inherit the kingdom of God; no matter what they label themselves.