False teaching by separating Scripture from Scripture

[Journey_man]

Sounds like your doctrine can not handle that the prodigal started off in the family.

Sad that you need that rewritten.

Lay aside doctrine and understand the parable.

Hello, that same father in tge parable REPRESENTS the heavenly Father.

Before you were saved your father was the devil.

You, changed the parable to say the prodigal lived down the street and started FROM ANOTHER FAMILY.

Your problem is in not understanding COVENANT.

The prodigal STARTED off in the family.
He sat at HIS HEAVENLY FATHERS TABLE.
Ahem...he left his heaveny father.

How on earth could you change the bible honestly???????

That's a bunch of nonsense. It doesn't matter what family you were born into, every single person in the history was born dead in sin. Our hearts are wicked above all things, so it's ridiculous to suggest that such evil people can be in the presence of God.

The prodigal son was never near the Heavenly Fathers Table, that's a blasphemous suggestion as it would mean that God has fellowship with wicked sinners.

The parable was actually about the older brother, who obeyed the Father and did everything that was expected of him and yet he was not saved and was cast into hell when he died.

The lesson of the parable is, that a person is not saved by keeping the law and obeying your father. Only those whom God elected to save before the world was created will be saved. The rest of humanity is condemned to hell, regardless of how many good works they do.

 

[Journey_man]

You walked up to the barn with a shotgun, fired both barrels at it, and missed from 2 ft away.

Fire that baptist pastor immediately.

That's not even funny, it just shows that your childish and clueless.

 

[OMC]

Galatians 5:16 does not teach that believers are sanctified by choosing to obey the command to walk in the Spirit. Believers lack any inherent spiritual power to produce holiness or conquer sin.

Believers stand in constant need of the actual aid of the Holy Spirit for every act of obedience. The command to "walk" does not imply human self-sufficiency; rather, it is a summons to rely on God's active, internal provision. The Holy Spirit is the ultimate agent who mortifies the flesh and bears fruit in the Christian.

Romans 8:2 teaches that believers are permanently freed from the penalty and ruling power of sin and death, but not yet free from the presence of daily sin. Romans 8:2 flows directly from 8:1 ("there is therefore now no condemnation").
Believers are legally and eternally freed from the guilt of sin and the ultimate punishment of spiritual death.

As seen in Romans 7, indwelling sin remains in the Christian. Believers are still overcome by temptation and commit sins daily, in a lifelong war against the flesh.

So Romans 7 describes the reality of being overwhelmed by temptation everyday. While Romans 8 declares that believers are forgiven for all of our past, present and future sins. So we don't need to fear any judgement or punishment. That's the good news, which is cause for great joy.

Nobody claimed that sin was David's or Pauls master, the claim is that we can rejoice in the knowledge that Christ has already paid for every sin so none of us will be punished for them. If you're at war with the enemy, then the enemy is not your master. The enemy can only be your master if they have the final victory.

You never have the final victory in this life, because it's impossible. Your enemy is infinitely more powerful than you are so you have no chance of victory against the enemy.

The exhortation in Romans 8 is to fight, it's not to give you false hope of some non existent victory against the flesh.

You're creating a contrast that Paul himself does not make.
Romans 8 does not merely say believers are forgiven while remaining perpetually overwhelmed by sin.
It says, "the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death" (Rom. 8:2), and "if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live" (Rom. 8:13).
Those are not descriptions of an inevitable, daily defeat with no expectation of actual victory.

The problem is that your conclusion goes beyond saying believers still sin.
We all agree they do.
Your conclusion is that victory over the flesh in this life is essentially nonexistent.
Yet Paul says, "walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh" (Gal. 5:16).
He does not say, "walk in the Spirit and you will still inevitably be overwhelmed every day."
The command assumes the Spirit produces a real effect.

Likewise, Romans 6 does more than promise future forgiveness.
Paul repeatedly says believers are dead to sin, freed from sin, no longer servants of sin, and that sin shall not have dominion over them (Rom. 6:2, 6, 7, 14, 18, 22).
If all of those statements merely mean "you won't be punished later," then Paul's argument loses much of its force.
He is describing something God has already accomplished in the believer's present relationship to sin.

I agree completely that believers have no inherent power in themselves.
Any obedience, victory, or holiness comes from the Holy Spirit.
But that is precisely the point.
The Spirit's work is not limited to assuring us that future punishment is removed.
The Spirit actively produces righteousness, mortifies the deeds of the body, and bears fruit in the believer's life.

No one is claiming sinless perfection.
Scripture expressly teaches an ongoing conflict between flesh and Spirit.
But conflict is not the same thing as continual defeat, and warfare is not the same thing as being overwhelmed every day.
Paul's message is not, "Fight a battle you cannot win."
His message is that through the Spirit, sin is no longer the reigning master.
The believer stumbles, falls, repents, and continues the fight, but Scripture never presents the normal Christian life as one of unavoidable bondage with no meaningful victory until glorification.
Romans 6 and 8 say exactly the opposite.

 

[Psalm1]

That's a bunch of nonsense. It doesn't matter what family you were born into, every single person in the history was born dead in sin. Our hearts are wicked above all things, so it's ridiculous to suggest that such evil people can be in the presence of God.

The prodigal son was never near the Heavenly Fathers Table, that's a blasphemous suggestion as it would mean that God has fellowship with wicked sinners.

The parable was actually about the older brother, who obeyed the Father and did everything that was expected of him and yet he was not saved and was cast into hell when he died.

The lesson of the parable is, that a person is not saved by keeping the law and obeying your father. Only those whom God elected to save before the world was created will be saved. The rest of humanity is condemned to hell, regardless of how many good works they do.

The facts of the parable are blasphemy.
Wow.
Like I said...fire your teachers immediately.

You don't even understand salvation.

 

[Psalm1]

Galatians 5:16 does not teach that believers are sanctified by choosing to obey the command to walk in the Spirit. Believers lack any inherent spiritual power to produce holiness or conquer sin.

Believers stand in constant need of the actual aid of the Holy Spirit for every act of obedience. The command to "walk" does not imply human self-sufficiency; rather, it is a summons to rely on God's active, internal provision. The Holy Spirit is the ultimate agent who mortifies the flesh and bears fruit in the Christian.

Romans 8:2 teaches that believers are permanently freed from the penalty and ruling power of sin and death, but not yet free from the presence of daily sin. Romans 8:2 flows directly from 8:1 ("there is therefore now no condemnation").
Believers are legally and eternally freed from the guilt of sin and the ultimate punishment of spiritual death.

As seen in Romans 7, indwelling sin remains in the Christian. Believers are still overcome by temptation and commit sins daily, in a lifelong war against the flesh.

So Romans 7 describes the reality of being overwhelmed by temptation everyday. While Romans 8 declares that believers are forgiven for all of our past, present and future sins. So we don't need to fear any judgement or punishment. That's the good news, which is cause for great joy.

Nobody claimed that sin was David's or Pauls master, the claim is that we can rejoice in the knowledge that Christ has already paid for every sin so none of us will be punished for them. If you're at war with the enemy, then the enemy is not your master. The enemy can only be your master if they have the final victory.

You never have the final victory in this life, because it's impossible. Your enemy is infinitely more powerful than you are so you have no chance of victory against the enemy.

The exhortation in Romans 8 is to fight, it's not to give you false hope of some non existent victory against the flesh.

Baptist doctrine big time.
Time to step up out of kindergarten.

 

[Journey_man]

You're creating a contrast that Paul himself does not make.
Romans 8 does not merely say believers are forgiven while remaining perpetually overwhelmed by sin.
It says, "the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death" (Rom. 8:2), and "if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live" (Rom. 8:13).
Those are not descriptions of an inevitable, daily defeat with no expectation of actual victory.

The problem is that your conclusion goes beyond saying believers still sin.
We all agree they do.
Your conclusion is that victory over the flesh in this life is essentially nonexistent.
Yet Paul says, "walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh" (Gal. 5:16).
He does not say, "walk in the Spirit and you will still inevitably be overwhelmed every day."
The command assumes the Spirit produces a real effect.

Likewise, Romans 6 does more than promise future forgiveness.
Paul repeatedly says believers are dead to sin, freed from sin, no longer servants of sin, and that sin shall not have dominion over them (Rom. 6:2, 6, 7, 14, 18, 22).
If all of those statements merely mean "you won't be punished later," then Paul's argument loses much of its force.
He is describing something God has already accomplished in the believer's present relationship to sin.

I agree completely that believers have no inherent power in themselves.
Any obedience, victory, or holiness comes from the Holy Spirit.
But that is precisely the point.
The Spirit's work is not limited to assuring us that future punishment is removed.
The Spirit actively produces righteousness, mortifies the deeds of the body, and bears fruit in the believer's life.

No one is claiming sinless perfection.
Scripture expressly teaches an ongoing conflict between flesh and Spirit.
But conflict is not the same thing as continual defeat, and warfare is not the same thing as being overwhelmed every day.
Paul's message is not, "Fight a battle you cannot win."
His message is that through the Spirit, sin is no longer the reigning master.
The believer stumbles, falls, repents, and continues the fight, but Scripture never presents the normal Christian life as one of unavoidable bondage with no meaningful victory until glorification.
Romans 6 and 8 say exactly the opposite.

Romans 8:1 declares there is "no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus". This means believers are completely delivered from the guilt of sin and the wrath of God.
God accomplished this by sending His Son to condemn sin in the flesh (Romans 8:3), satisfying divine justice through Christ's sacrifice. The legal penalty of death is fully removed.

Romans 8:2 states that "the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death". This means sin is no longer our master, but we don't have the victory over sin and temptation in this life. Paul admitted that his will to do evil overpowers his will to do good.

Indwelling sin remains a reality in the Christian life. However, failures do not undo a believer's justified standing or plunge them back under condemnation; rather, striving against sin is the expected fruit of salvation.

Physical death and final bodily decay will also be overcome, culminating in the future "glorification" of believers (Romans 8:23, 30).

You agree that believers still sin, but you downplay the extent of the believers daily sin. You seem to be claiming that we have some kind of final victory over sin in this life, but the Bible doesn't support this view at all. The victory is over the power of sin, the power of sin is the second death for the unbelievers but it has no power to condemn Gods people.

Nobody can deny that the Holy Spirit's work, in the lives of Gods people produces fruit. He gives us the gift of repentance, so we can pray for the forgiveness of our sin everyday. Even mature Christians who are approaching the end of this earthly life need to repent daily because they still sin everyday after decades of being sanctified and transformed. None of that can eradicate our old sin nature completely.

 

[OMC]

Romans 8:1 declares there is "no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus". This means believers are completely delivered from the guilt of sin and the wrath of God.
God accomplished this by sending His Son to condemn sin in the flesh (Romans 8:3), satisfying divine justice through Christ's sacrifice. The legal penalty of death is fully removed.

Romans 8:2 states that "the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death". This means sin is no longer our master, but we don't have the victory over sin and temptation in this life. Paul admitted that his will to do evil overpowers his will to do good.

Indwelling sin remains a reality in the Christian life. However, failures do not undo a believer's justified standing or plunge them back under condemnation; rather, striving against sin is the expected fruit of salvation.

Physical death and final bodily decay will also be overcome, culminating in the future "glorification" of believers (Romans 8:23, 30).

You agree that believers still sin, but you downplay the extent of the believers daily sin. You seem to be claiming that we have some kind of final victory over sin in this life, but the Bible doesn't support this view at all. The victory is over the power of sin, the power of sin is the second death for the unbelievers but it has no power to condemn Gods people.

Nobody can deny that the Holy Spirit's work, in the lives of Gods people produces fruit. He gives us the gift of repentance, so we can pray for the forgiveness of our sin everyday. Even mature Christians who are approaching the end of this earthly life need to repent daily because they still sin everyday after decades of being sanctified and transformed. None of that can eradicate our old sin nature completely.

We agree that believers are no longer under condemnation, that sin is no longer their master, and that the Spirit produces fruit.
The point in dispute is whether Romans 6 and 8 teach substantial practical victory over daily sin before glorification.

You cite Romans 6 and 8, but what do you do with Romans 7?

Paul does not describe a man who has attained meaningful victory over indwelling sin.
He says, "the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do" (Rom. 7:19).
He says he is brought into captivity to the law of sin in his members (Rom. 7:23).
He cries, "O wretched man that I am!" (Rom. 7:24).

If your interpretation of Romans 6 and 8 is correct, why does Paul describe the conflict in such strong terms?

Likewise, Galatians 5:17 does not merely say the flesh occasionally resists the Spirit.
It says the flesh and Spirit are contrary to one another, "so that ye cannot do the things that ye would."
That is hardly a description of consistent practical victory.

You keep equating "sin shall not have dominion over you" with "believers achieve meaningful victory over daily sin."
But dominion and condemnation are the issue in Romans.
A slave who has been legally freed is no longer owned by his former master, yet that does not mean the former master ceases to harass him.

Romans 6 itself proves the point.
If practical victory were the normal condition, why does Paul repeatedly command believers not to let sin reign in their mortal bodies (Rom. 6:12), not to yield their members to sin (Rom. 6:13), and later warn them about serving sin?
The commands exist because the danger remains real.

You say I am downplaying victory.
I would argue you are downplaying the extent of indwelling sin described throughout the New Testament.

James says, "In many things we offend all" (James 3:2).
John says, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves" (1 John 1:8).
Christ taught His disciples to continually pray, "Forgive us our debts" (Matt. 6:12).
These are not descriptions of people who have largely overcome daily sin.
They are descriptions of people who remain dependent on God's mercy every day.

The Spirit absolutely produces fruit.
The Spirit absolutely works holiness in believers.
The Spirit absolutely grants repentance and obedience.

But none of those truths mean the believer attains victory over the sinful nature itself in this life.

Romans 8 points to the future redemption of our body (Rom. 8:23), because that is when the struggle finally ends.
Until then, believers fight, fail, repent, and persevere.
The victory we possess now is that sin can no longer condemn us and no longer owns us.
The final victory over the presence of sin awaits glorification.
That is exactly where Paul places our hope.

 

[Journey_man]

The facts of the parable are blasphemy.
Wow.
Like I said...fire your teachers immediately.

You don't even understand salvation.

I don't even know how to respond to someone who is so deluded that they claim that a wicked sinner sat at Gods table in heaven and enjoyed fellowship with the heavenly Father.

You didn't present any facts about the parable, your interpretation of the parable is nonsense.

You're right about my not understanding the mystery of salvation. Gods ways are infinitely higher than mans and they are past finding out. Only a fool would claim to have the ability to get into the mind of God.

 

[Psalm1]

While regeneration (the new birth) breaks the absolute tyranny and supreme rule of the old sin nature over a person. The legal and moral hold of the "old man" was crucified with Christ (Romans 6:6), meaning believers are no longer slaves legally bound to obey sin.

Believers remain simultaneously justified saints and struggling sinners. Because remnants of indwelling sin remain, we must engage in lifelong "mortification"—actively putting sin to death through the power of the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:13).

Christ decisively crushed the head of the serpent and stripped Satan of his ultimate condemning and enslaving power over God's elect. Satan is still active as a roaring lion (1 Peter 5:8), tempting, accusing, and trying deceiving believers.
The devil can entice, harass, and exploit the remaining weakness of the flesh, but he cannot force a regenerated believer to sin, nor can he possess or re-ensnare the heart of one who belongs to Christ.

The Holy Spirit residing within the believer is infinitely greater than any opposing spirit in the world (1 John 4:4), ensuring the believer's final perseverance.

Both ends of the debate believe all that.
You are just wasting space

 

[Psalm1]

I don't even know how to respond to someone who is so deluded that they claim that a wicked sinner sat at Gods table in heaven and enjoyed fellowship with the heavenly Father.

You didn't present any facts about the parable, your interpretation of the parable is nonsense.

You're right about my not understanding the mystery of salvation. Gods ways are infinitely higher than mans and they are past finding out. Only a fool would claim to have the ability to get into the mind of God.

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"I don't even know how to respond to someone who is so deluded that they claim that a wicked sinner sat at Gods table in heaven and enjoyed fellowship with the heavenly Father"

Just go with your doctrine and change the story.
Bravo.
What a tragedy for you to use your false doctrine to torture a parable.

You actually think the prodigal, as a son, and family, before leaving HIS FATHER, NEVER SAT AT HIS FATHERS TABLE???????

WOW.
Definately fire your teachers.
That ole mule of religion carried you out to the desert and died. Leaving you in a land of false doctrine.

 

[Journey_man]

We agree that believers are no longer under condemnation, that sin is no longer their master, and that the Spirit produces fruit.
The point in dispute is whether Romans 6 and 8 teach substantial practical victory over daily sin before glorification.

You cite Romans 6 and 8, but what do you do with Romans 7?

Paul does not describe a man who has attained meaningful victory over indwelling sin.
He says, "the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do" (Rom. 7:19).
He says he is brought into captivity to the law of sin in his members (Rom. 7:23).
He cries, "O wretched man that I am!" (Rom. 7:24).

If your interpretation of Romans 6 and 8 is correct, why does Paul describe the conflict in such strong terms?

Likewise, Galatians 5:17 does not merely say the flesh occasionally resists the Spirit.
It says the flesh and Spirit are contrary to one another, "so that ye cannot do the things that ye would."
That is hardly a description of consistent practical victory.

You keep equating "sin shall not have dominion over you" with "believers achieve meaningful victory over daily sin."
But dominion and condemnation are the issue in Romans.
A slave who has been legally freed is no longer owned by his former master, yet that does not mean the former master ceases to harass him.

Romans 6 itself proves the point.
If practical victory were the normal condition, why does Paul repeatedly command believers not to let sin reign in their mortal bodies (Rom. 6:12), not to yield their members to sin (Rom. 6:13), and later warn them about serving sin?
The commands exist because the danger remains real.

You say I am downplaying victory.
I would argue you are downplaying the extent of indwelling sin described throughout the New Testament.

James says, "In many things we offend all" (James 3:2).
John says, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves" (1 John 1:8).
Christ taught His disciples to continually pray, "Forgive us our debts" (Matt. 6:12).
These are not descriptions of people who have largely overcome daily sin.
They are descriptions of people who remain dependent on God's mercy every day.

The Spirit absolutely produces fruit.
The Spirit absolutely works holiness in believers.
The Spirit absolutely grants repentance and obedience.

But none of those truths mean the believer attains victory over the sinful nature itself in this life.

Romans 8 points to the future redemption of our body (Rom. 8:23), because that is when the struggle finally ends.
Until then, believers fight, fail, repent, and persevere.
The victory we possess now is that sin can no longer condemn us and no longer owns us.
The final victory over the presence of sin awaits glorification.
That is exactly where Paul places our hope.

We agree on the doctrinal teaching of Romans 6, 7 and 8. Our point of contention seems to be around how much of a role our personal efforts in resisting the temptation to sin, compared to how much the Holy Spirit contributes to our daily "victory over sin tally".

We agree that we can't overcome all of our daily temptations, so we fall into sin many times a day. The Lord Jesus said in Luke 5:32 I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”
Some jump to conclude that Jesus is teaching that some people are righteous. But we know this view is not true because Gods Word reveals that there are none righteous and there are no good people, no not even one.

As I understand Pauls conflict in Romans 6 and 8, he is describing the struggle that every regenerated believer experiences everyday. We have two opposing forces within us, as you rightly pointed out. These are the Holy Spirit and the remnants of our old sin nature.

Our sin nature cries out to have it lusts satisfied, like a hungry man begging for food. The Holy Spirit helps us resist the urge to feed him, but we are regularly overcome by the old man.

 

[OMC]

We agree on the doctrinal teaching of Romans 6, 7 and 8. Our point of contention seems to be around how much of a role our personal efforts in resisting the temptation to sin, compared to how much the Holy Spirit contributes to our daily "victory over sin tally".

I would say the Holy Spirit is the source of every act of obedience, every fruit of righteousness, and every genuine victory over temptation.
But the presence of those victories does not mean the believer has attained meaningful mastery over indwelling sin in this life.
The war remains until the redemption of the body (Rom. 8:23).
That future glorification, not present sanctification, is where Scripture places the final and complete victory over sin.

 

[Journey_man]

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"I don't even know how to respond to someone who is so deluded that they claim that a wicked sinner sat at Gods table in heaven and enjoyed fellowship with the heavenly Father"

Just go with your doctrine and change the story.
Bravo.
What a tragedy for you to use your false doctrine to torture a parable.

You actually think the prodigal, as a son, and family, before leaving HIS FATHER, NEVER SAT AT HIS FATHERS TABLE???????

WOW.
Definately fire your teachers.
That ole mule of religion carried you out to the desert and died. Leaving you in a land of false doctrine.

I see you can't make any sense of the parable. You claim that the prodigal's son was the heavenly Father. Now you claim he was a man. How am I supposed to reason with one who is under such strong delusion

 

[Psalm1]

I see you can't make any sense of the parable. You claim that the prodigal's son was the heavenly Father. Now you claim he was a man. How am I supposed to reason with one who is under such strong delusion

Never did and never will.
The father represents the heavenly father.
The point is, you have the father OF THE PRODIGAL as Satan.
In your weird version that you made up, you have the prodigal entering the story as a lost sinner OUTSIDE THE FAMILY OF GOD.

You have lost touch completely with Gods word concerning the prodigal SON story..

You can not even follow along that the father in the parable REPRESENTS THE HEAVENLY FATHER.

Whew, please immediately fire your teachers.

Start all over.
Jettison your strange doctrine.
Get the basic components arranged in common sense.
Ask yourself ;
Who does the father in the story represent?
Who does the son represent?
What is the the no brainer REASON, the son is not depicted as a sinner, whose FATHER WOULD BE THE DEVIL?
Remember your wild rant when I pointed out that the son would have sat at his father's table prior to leaving and you insisted that the prodigal was a sinner and he would have not ever have sat at the Fathers table?
That was your religious goggles not letting you see the obvious.

I don't really know if your doctrine can be laid aside long enough for you to read the story for the very first time.

Take a deep breath and read the story.
Pretend your religion is in the other room.

 

[OMC]

Never did and never will.
The father represents the heavenly father.
The point is, you have the father OF THE PRODIGAL as Satan.
In your weird version that you made up, you have tge prodigal entering the story as a lost sinner OUTSIDE THE FAMILY OF GOD.

You have lost touch completely with Gods word concerning the prodigal SON story..

You can not even follow along that the father in the parable REPRESENTS THE HEAVENLY FATHER.

Whew, please immediately fire your teachers.

Start all over.
Jettison your strange doctrine.
Get the basic components arranged in common sense.
Ask yourself ;
Who does the father in the story represent?
Who does the son represent?
What is the the no brainer REASON, the son is not depicted as a sinner, whose FATHER WOULD BE THE DEVIL?

I don't really know if your doctrine can be laid aside long enough for you to read the story for the very first time.

Take a deep breath and read the story.
Pretend your religion is in the other room.

Another dragon speaker!
Take heed of the words of the Lord you claim to follow.
"Speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ." (Eph. 4:15)
"Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying." (Eph. 4:29)
"Be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted." (Eph. 4:32)
"Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt." (Col. 4:6)
"The servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves." (2 Tim. 2:24-25).

 

[Psalm1]

I see you can't make any sense of the parable. You claim that the prodigal's son was the heavenly Father. Now you claim he was a man. How am I supposed to reason with one who is under such strong delusion

 

[Psalm1]

Doctrinal goggles.

 

[Journey_man]

Never did and never will.
The father represents the heavenly father.
The point is, you have the father OF THE PRODIGAL as Satan.
In your weird version that you made up, you have the prodigal entering the story as a lost sinner OUTSIDE THE FAMILY OF GOD.

You have lost touch completely with Gods word concerning the prodigal SON story..

You can not even follow along that the father in the parable REPRESENTS THE HEAVENLY FATHER.

Whew, please immediately fire your teachers.

Start all over.
Jettison your strange doctrine.
Get the basic components arranged in common sense.
Ask yourself ;
Who does the father in the story represent?
Who does the son represent?
What is the the no brainer REASON, the son is not depicted as a sinner, whose FATHER WOULD BE THE DEVIL?
Remember your wild rant when I pointed out that the son would have sat at his father's table prior to leaving and you insisted that the prodigal was a sinner and he would have not ever have sat at the Fathers table?
That was your religious goggles not letting you see the obvious.

I don't really know if your doctrine can be laid aside long enough for you to read the story for the very first time.

Take a deep breath and read the story.
Pretend your religion is in the other room.

I don't agree with your interpretation of the parable, because it's fundamentally flawed and it makes no sense at all.

Your theology is very strange, I don't know of any theologian or faithful preacher who shares your interpretation of the parable.
Our Minister warns about those who invent strange new doctrines. We have 2000 years of Church Fathers teaching solid Biblical theology to guide us. There is nothing new under the sun, the truth has always remained the same, but lies come and go.

 

[Revelation1v8]

I don't agree with your interpretation of the parable, because it's fundamentally flawed and it makes no sense at all.

Your theology is very strange, I don't know of any theologian or faithful preacher who shares your interpretation of the parable.
Our Minister warns about those who invent strange new doctrines. We have 2000 years of Church Fathers teaching solid Biblical theology to guide us. There is nothing new under the sun, the truth has always remained the same, but lies come and go.

When I read the parable of the Prodigal Son, it reminds me of the parable of the lost sheep. They mirror each other.

Matthew 18:11-14

11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?

13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.

14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

 

[Psalm1]

I don't agree with your interpretation of the parable, because it's fundamentally flawed and it makes no sense at all.

Your theology is very strange, I don't know of any theologian or faithful preacher who shares your interpretation of the parable.
Our Minister warns about those who invent strange new doctrines. We have 2000 years of Church Fathers teaching solid Biblical theology to guide us. There is nothing new under the sun, the truth has always remained the same, but lies come and go.

Get real.
The prodigal WAS WITH THE FATHER AS PART OF THE FAMILY AT THE START OF THE PARABLE.
The father in the parable REPRESENTS THE HEAVENLY FATHER.

IN your bizarre religion, you change that because it does not fit your religion

Maybe Hindu or catholic.
No authentic Christian would change Gods word.

IF you do that to the parable, what other passages need changing.
You can not be trusted with Gods word.

You even declare your teachers taught you.
As if you can not read for comprehension without their approval.

My Bible warned me against you heretics.
False teachers leading false brethren.

It is beyond comical that you have convinced yourself the prodigal had two fathers.

That is true heresy.