The Noahide Laws

[zone]

israel's 'neighbors' make TV cartoons teaching their children to become suicide bombers and kill jews... how is israel supposed to get along with anyone who learns and teaches and practices hate and murder from cradle to grave?

anti semitic attacks only make it more difficult to convert jews to christianity... if you hate them and lie about them and call them fake jews...how do you expect them to react? you will just make them think our Lord hates them as much as you do...and nobody is going to follow someone who hates them...

the khazar theory is a lie that no reputable historian believes... it was first suggested by a racist writer named ernest renan in the mid-1800s...renan also attacked the accuracy and inspiration of the bible and regarded jesus as nothing more than an ordinary historical person... it was popularized in the 1920s by a racist journalist named lothrop stoddard...stoddard lost all credibility after world war ii for his approval of the nazi eugenics programs...

the theory was also adopted by the 'british israelist' cult and the racist 'christian identity' movements...

in more recent times the khazar theory has been disproved by genetic evidence that showed the relation between ashkenazim and the other jewish groups...and showed that the contribution of khazar converts to the ashkenazi gene pool is no more than about 12%

Ashkenazi Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Khazars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the theory is not accepted by any credible modern scholars...it is rightly dismissed as outdated racist nonsense...

in any case the khazars were generally friendly to christians both inside their sphere of influence and in their foreign relations... khazaria served as a buffer state that kept the muslims from overrunning christian europe via the caucasus region... and khazar rulers practiced religious tolerance...even going so far as judging legal cases involving non khazars according to their own laws instead of jewish law...

so your hatred of the ancient khazar people is equally ridiculous...

jesus taught us to love our neighbors...not hate them and slander them and call them brainwashed and cowardly... so before you go calling anyone antichrist...you had better make sure you are obedient to christ yourself...

it seems like here you are usually acting as an 'accuser of the brethren'...you attack other christians just as often as you attack jews...

we'll get to the truth of the matter through Jewish sources themselves.
including the Talmud.

and we'll get to the truth of who makes cartoons (and all manner of lying propaganda and historical revisionism) encouraging genocide also.
when so-called christians decide to make this about "racial" jews, they're going to get the same TRUTH they apparenlty missed in scripture : NO DIFFERENCE....no preference. no unfullied promises.

we'll get to the truth of world-wide war as it is going down NOW and who is doing it (a little tail wagging a giant dog). only a deceiver can cover the truth over now.

you obviously will dismiss ancient arab (amelak) sources, and likely reject byzantine and other regional sources.
your santized western version is a dead horse. beat it all you want it ain't getting up.

all the muddying of who is a jew and who isn't comes to a screeching halt when you finally answer the question: IS ONE A 'JEW' BY RACE OR RELIGIOUS TRADITION?

WHO WERE THE HERODS who called themselves kings of the jews? Hebrews or Gentiles?


the khazar theory is a lie that no reputable historian believes...

you could start here.
please contact the Khazarian jews who run this site personally..ask all the questions you like (you won't):

Khazaria.com - History of Jewish Khazars, Khazar Turk, Khazarian Jews

 

[zone]

i almost forgot to mention that most muslims are actually -not- semitic...the majority of muslims are actually african or southeast asian or turkic...

so not only were you ignoring the widely accepted definition of antisemitism...you were also mistaken about islam being semitic...

huh?
who is a jew today rachel?

islam is a religion....semitic is a REGION.

who created the Muslim Brotherhood? any idea? who is in the drivers seat after the "Arab Spring" concocted/directed revolutions?
we'll find out.

what are ARAB CHRISTIANS in Gaza saying? we'll see.

 

[zone]

the accepted current definition of anti semitism refers specifically to hostility towards jews...it is the definition nearly everyone uses so it is the definition i use...

there are many excuses for the hostility...racial and religious and cultural and political...but in the end it usually just boils down to the fact that they are hated for being jews...

for example there is someone on this forum who rejects the hebrew name for God...yhwh...for pretty much no other reason than that it was used by jews...

i actually wrote about -radical- muslims...not muslims in general...and i didn't say they were the likely candidate for the end time bad guys... i just find it to be a negative thing that for the sake of a very unlikely end time theory we are being asked to ignore a group that already -is- beheading people...killing christians...and threatening to kill millions of other people...

it is like being told to ignore a hurricane because someone expects some little cloud to turn into the perfect storm...

the language based definition of semitic is actually outdated due to new linguistic findings...specifically that most 'semitic' languages are not of semitic origin at all...they are spoken by semites but the languages come from africa...

rubbish.

WHO DID 9-11?

its about time we answered that question (even though there are now LAWS against it since the Alinsky plan for conditioning isn't holding....odd)

 

[zone]

well this topic started out being about a religious matter...specifically the noachide laws...

but zone changed the subject to race and ethnicity after i started posting the reality about the noachide laws...and she seems obsessed with wanting to know if i am ashkenazi...

it would be nice if all the conspiracy nonsense could just be ignored...and i can ignore most conspiracy theories... but these things cannot just be ignored...because i am sure it turns jews -away- from christ... jews are not going to convert to a religion full of people who lie about them and accuse them of being frauds and worse...

christians who slander the jewish people like this are just as harmful to the jews' salvation as the christians who say jews do not need jesus at all...

i see that the synagogue of satan is mentioned in revelation 2:9 and 3:9...they were false jews in smyrna and philadelphia in john's time... i don't see any scripture indicating that the synagogue of satan lasted beyond the persecutions of john's age...

i know you identify them with the modern talmudic orthodox jews...but there are jewish denominations today that have departed much further from the torah than the talmud observant orthodox jews have...they would be even more likely to be those 'who claim to be jews though they are not'

go back and re-read.

The Talmud, and The Pharisees make this about race and ethnicity, and about global cataclysm: they have to - the Talmud demands it.

perhaps you should also contact the authorities about their wikipedia entry then....

Pharisees
The sages of the Talmud see a direct link between themselves and the Pharisees, and historians generally consider Pharisaic Judaism to be the progenitor of Rabbinic Judaism, that is normative, mainstream Judaism after the destruction of the Second Temple.All mainstream forms of Judaism today consider themselves heirs of Rabbinic Judaism and, ultimately, the Pharisees.
Pharisees - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


the hypocricy of claiming to love jews while pretending Judaism is Moses & The Prophets is staggering.
that's not love. its ignorance.

 

[zone]

same war

unless you're a dispensationalist.
then you need 2 of everything with a literal 1,000 years in between, allowing for a countdown to the year, month, day and hour in between....

 

[zone]

the noachide laws don't require anyone to deny the divinity of jesus...that is just a lie that anti semites are spreading to make people think jews are a real threat to christians......

the above is a lie that change agents are spreading to make people think the Noahide Laws are not a real threat to Christians. Christians don't even know what Judaism today is...but some of us do.
we'll discuss it. even though there are now LAWS against it.

read the laws themselves and the discussions of them in the talmud...not what conspiracy websites say about them...

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so...do you read hebrew rachel?
you are apparently familiar with the Talmud. let's discuss it.


here's an idea: contact the SANHEDRIN and ask them directly:

Jerusalem Court for Issues of Bnei Noah

Jerusalem Court for Issues of Bnei Noah - The Sanhedrin - en

What are the Seven Laws?

Q. What are the Seven Laws?
What exactly are the Torah sources for the seven laws? In what manner are non-Jews obligated by these verses in the Torah? (Oral tradition? Rabbinic teaching? Reading the Torah directly? etc)

Answer. The "Seven" laws, as has been well documented, do not cover all the requirements, as the Talmud explains after briniging the source which lists the seven. There the Talmud explains that the list does not contain the positive requirements. The source is Oral Tradition. As in many other cases, there is some disagreement about exactly which are the negative precepts which apply to Bnei Noah.
The summary of the Rambam is: Prohibition of: Idolatry, Blasphemy, Murder, Certain prohibition on Sexual Intercourse, Theft, and Social Order supported by Rule of Law (in Kings 10,11 the Rambam says that "Bet Din of Israel should judge the Naohides or appoint Noahide Judges), and Ever Min HaHai: eating flesh which was cut from a live animal. [Kings, 9,1] In addition the Rambam lists the prohibition of Kilayim [Kings, 10,6]

Psak 5767 Tevet 6c - The Sanhedrin - en

 

[zone]

the noachide laws don't require anyone to deny the divinity of jesus...that is just a lie that anti semites are spreading to make people think jews are a real threat to christians...

read the laws themselves and the discussions of them in the talmud...not what conspiracy websites say about them...

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do we have a real life definition of WHO is a semite yet?

what a valiant defender of these LAWS you are. fascinating.

the noachide laws don't require anyone to deny the divinity of jesus...that is just a lie that anti semites are spreading to make people think jews are a real threat to christians. ...

sooo.....did vicious antisemites devise the Seven Laws of Noah and establish the idea of Legal systems to enforce them?

did antisemites develop a system of LAWS binding on all non-jews which includes captial punishment for breaking them?

a simple yes or no is sufficient.

The Noahide Pledge

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Maimonides says that "One who accepts these [basic laws] is called: Ger Toshav in every place, and he must be accepted in front of three judges"[1], and in the next verse says "Everyone who accepts the seven commandments and is careful to perform them – this person is of the Chasidei Umos HaOlam, and he has a portion in the world to come. He accepts them and performs them because they were commanded by the Kodosh Baruch Hu, revealed to us by the hand of Moshe Rabbenu that the Bnei Noah were previously commanded in these things. However, if he keeps these [laws] because of intellectual decision – he is not called a Ger Toshav and is not of the Chasidei Umos HaOlam, he is [only] one of their wise men."[2]

The following are various opinions on the appearance of the Noahide in front of three judges, commonly – although usually incorrectly – called the Noahide Oath.

http://wikinoah.org/index.php/The_Noahide_Pledge

What about those who hold "that person" is messiah.

People who hold that he is not and was not any part of a divinity, but still holds that he was a messiah.

Answer. It is the opinion of Rabbi Schwartz that a person who believes that "that man" was a messiah is not transgressing any prohibition. However the issue is as follows: someone who believes that "that man" was a messiah seems to be only partly disassociating himself from full christianity, and there is a problem of what is meant by the term "messiah". Is the messiah a "divine messenger" to "save" the world. Now when I say "a divine messenger" I mean someone - otherwise normal human being - sent by "the divinity" as a messenger. It seems that some people mean "a person with divine attributes"!

An issue which could be seen as semantic becomes of major consequence.

The decision of Rabbi Schwartz is therefore that in the beis din over which he presides he will not accept declarations of people with christian background if they think that "that man" was a messiah. This DOES NOT MEAN that the declaration of such a person before any [other] beis din is valueless. Perhaps another beis din will be satisfied that the person before them is bona fide in acceptance of the totally non-divinity of "that man". They may accept the declaration, and it will be fully valid.

 

[tribesman]

anti semites
conspiracy
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conspiracy .

With some peoples definition and standards of these two terms Jesus and Paul should be counted in as well.

 

[zone]

enter the New Perspectives.

this discussion has derailment built in. it always goes the same place.

i'll offer this ADL hotline to any who wish to report me for hate crimes.
the possibility of 6 years in my country without a jury for even dicussing this issue.

ADL Hate Crimes Main Page

though i may be silenced, i won't be intimidated.
i'd welcome the opportunity to have that FOX at ADL prove he's a semite.
he isn't. yet that's supposed to be both the issue AND the non-issue.

what a sham.

JESUS CHRIST IS LORD AND GOD!

 

[tribesman]

...i'd welcome the opportunity to have that FOX at ADL prove he's a semite.
he isn't...

Interesting how this mainly marxist modern theory of race being merely a "social construction" fits quite well in with how non-semite proselytes to judaism are being viewed as semites. Or is it just simply the politics of pax judaica. never question it?

 

[zone]

Interesting how this mainly marxist modern theory of race being merely a "social construction" fits quite well in with how non-semite proselytes to judaism are being viewed as semites. Or is it just simply the politics of pax judaica. never question it?

which came first: Kabbalah (Zohar) or British-Israelism?

Serpent Seed
The Serpent Seed idea appears in a 9th century book called Pirke De-Rabbi Eliezer.[9] Rabbi David Max Eichhorn, in his book Cain: Son of the Serpent, traces the idea back through early Jewish Midrashic texts and identifies many rabbis who taught that Cain was the son of the union between the serpent and Eve.[9] Some Kabbalist rabbis also believe that Cain and Abel were of a different genetic background than Seth. This is known among Kabbalists as "The Theory of Origins".[10] The theory teaches that God created two "Adams"(Adam means MAN in Hebrew). To one he gave a soul and to the other he did not give a soul. The one without a soul is the creature known in Christianity as the serpent. The Kabbalists call the serpent Nahash (nahash means serpent in Hebrew). This is recorded in the Zohar:

"Two beings [Adam and Nachash] had intercourse with Eve, and she conceived from both and bore two children. Each followed one of the male parents, and their spirits parted, one to this side and one to the other, and similarly their characters. On the side of Cain are all the haunts of the evil species; from the side of Abel comes a more merciful class, yet not wholly beneficial -- good wine mixed with bad."(Zohar 136)
​

Serpent seed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


some people on this planet are apparently NOT HUMAN BEINGS....handy how that works.

 

[TheAristocat]

The Noahide Pledge

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Maimonides says that "One who accepts these [basic laws] is called: Ger Toshav in every place, and he must be accepted in front of three judges"[1], and in the next verse says "Everyone who accepts the seven commandments and is careful to perform them – this person is of the Chasidei Umos HaOlam, and he has a portion in the world to come. He accepts them and performs them because they were commanded by the Kodosh Baruch Hu, revealed to us by the hand of Moshe Rabbenu that the Bnei Noah were previously commanded in these things. However, if he keeps these [laws] because of intellectual decision – he is not called a Ger Toshav and is not of the Chasidei Umos HaOlam, he is [only] one of their wise men."[2]

The following are various opinions on the appearance of the Noahide in front of three judges, commonly – although usually incorrectly – called the Noahide Oath.

http://wikinoah.org/index.php/The_Noahide_Pledge


~

to ponder:

would you take this Oath?
should anyone?
where does this come from?
where is it headed?

I would take an oath to not take oaths

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Rachel if i were you and you are in fact a fresh bible school student, i would check at least two points..
=>Who is the sponsor behind your bible school.
=>Whom do you want to serve after finishing it.

Cause this fleshly israel is not the fulfillment of bible prophecy but
Jesus Christ alone and his salvation plan for everyone who believes in him.
If you concentrate to much on counterfeit israel then you will loose focus on Jesus.
Teaching in bible schools and seminars have been talmudized since decades as a wide range of christian zionists,
and christian evangelicals either not recognizing that they have become a tool by the antichrist ore are willingly advocate them.

Who is the collective antichrist? It is judaism much worse than islam and out of this cesspool the person antichrist will emerge to build up
the temple in jerusalem again. And if this happen the sanhedrin the synagogue of satan will start to kill Christians again.
Those who never will bow down and take the mark of the beast.

i am not in bible school...i have never gone to bible school...i am a bible student because i study the bible...

i am not thinking about 'fleshly israel' in terms of bible prophecy...i am thinking about them in terms of matthew 22:39 and luke 6:31...

it is wrong to spread hatred and lies about -anyone-

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Aside that the noahide laws are a talmudic counterfeit by satan you may think that 7 commands are easy to fulfill.Sorry but you are complete wrong. In fact the 7 noahide laws are 613 (620) mitzvahs commands and prohibitions which no one could fulfill.But for Christians the most important is the 1. the prohibition against idolatry which consist of 57(!) subsequent commands.
Mitzvah -5 says
Look at this please.Application to gentiles: Required Mandated punishment for violation: Death penalty:Examples: Not to verbally accept Jesus as one’s god or “lord.”

the 613 commands are -all- the torah laws...the 613 torah laws are for jews... jews believe only the seven noachide laws are for gentiles...but also that the 613 torah laws are derived from the principles in the noachide laws...

the noachide prohibition of idolatry does not make christianity illegal...that is a lie that is being spread to make people think judaism is a threat to christians...

if you actually read the commentary on the noachide laws in the talmud you will see that even among the dozens of different rabbinical opinions in the talmud the law against idolatry is never interpreted as referring to anything other than literal physical graven images...

Babylonian Talmud: Sanhedrin 60

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

we'll get to the truth of the matter through Jewish sources themselves.
including the Talmud.

and we'll get to the truth of who makes cartoons (and all manner of lying propaganda and historical revisionism) encouraging genocide also.
when so-called christians decide to make this about "racial" jews, they're going to get the same TRUTH they apparenlty missed in scripture : NO DIFFERENCE....no preference. no unfullied promises.

we'll get to the truth of world-wide war as it is going down NOW and who is doing it (a little tail wagging a giant dog). only a deceiver can cover the truth over now.

you obviously will dismiss ancient arab (amelak) sources, and likely reject byzantine and other regional sources.
your santized western version is a dead horse. beat it all you want it ain't getting up.

all the muddying of who is a jew and who isn't comes to a screeching halt when you finally answer the question: IS ONE A 'JEW' BY RACE OR RELIGIOUS TRADITION?

WHO WERE THE HERODS who called themselves kings of the jews? Hebrews or Gentiles?


the khazar theory is a lie that no reputable historian believes...

you could start here.
please contact the Khazarian jews who run this site personally..ask all the questions you like (you won't):

Khazaria.com - History of Jewish Khazars, Khazar Turk, Khazarian Jews

you are the one trying to make this about race...you are the one who changed the subject to the false claim that ashkenazim are 'fake' semites...

now you are making several obvious attempts to change the subject again...

the website you yourself just posted debunks your khazar theory...for example there is this...

"The main ethnic element of Ashkenazim (German and Eastern European Jews), Sephardim (Spanish and Portuguese Jews), Mizrakhim (Middle Eastern Jews), Juhurim (Mountain Jews of the Caucasus), Italqim (Italian Jews), and most other modern Jewish populations of the world is Israelite. The Israelite haplotypes fall into Y-DNA haplogroups J and E."

"Ashkenazim also descend, in a smaller way, from European peoples from the northern Mediterranean region and even less from Slavs and Khazars. The non-Israelite Y-DNA haplogroups include Q (typically Central Asian) and R1a1 (typically Eastern European)."

so not even khazar jews believe the theory you are promoting!

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

huh?
who is a jew today rachel?

islam is a religion....semitic is a REGION.

who created the Muslim Brotherhood? any idea? who is in the drivers seat after the "Arab Spring" concocted/directed revolutions?
we'll find out.

what are ARAB CHRISTIANS in Gaza saying? we'll see.

semitic is not a regional term...it is a genetic term... semitic refers to descendants of noah's son shem...

it is also an outdated linguistic term that is still used for tradition's sake... it became outdated when it was found that the 'semitic' languages did not actually originate with ancient semitic peoples...the semitic languages came from africa instead...

nowdays semitic is also used informally to refer to anything jewish... the accepted definition of 'antisemitism' draws on this fact...

the rest of your questions about the muslim brotherhood and arab spring and gazan christians are just more of your attempts at changing the subject...

this is not a quiz show

 

[Abiding]

i am not in bible school...i have never gone to bible school...i am a bible student because i study the bible...

i am not thinking about 'fleshly israel' in terms of bible prophecy...i am thinking about them in terms of matthew 22:39 and luke 6:31...

it is wrong to spread hatred and lies about -anyone-

It is wrong to spread slander by saying someone is spreading hatred Rachel...so please stop.
Deal with the facts and the bible then. If you dont agree say that...its tacky and uncalled for,
to call someone a liar and other names. Its great to labor in finding the truth and testing all
things...thats what the bible says. So join in please....noone wants to believe lies.

 

[Abiding]

semitic is not a regional term...it is a genetic term... semitic refers to descendants of noah's son shem...

it is also an outdated linguistic term that is still used for tradition's sake... it became outdated when it was found that the 'semitic' languages did not actually originate with ancient semitic peoples...the semitic languages came from africa instead...

nowdays semitic is also used informally to refer to anything jewish... the accepted definition of 'antisemitism' draws on this fact...

the rest of your questions about the muslim brotherhood and arab spring and gazan christians are just more of your attempts at changing the subject...

this is not a quiz show

Then of coarse you are actually upset that people are misleading people about what "exactly", Rachel?
and why? Is it jews? if so please explain "exactly" what do "you" mean by "jews" and why?

Tell who it is you are defending and lets see who they are and then......whether anyone fits the picture that
this an many threads are devoted to.
This will save a ton of time to clear this up first.

Otherwise nothing will make sense other than your fighting a unknown battle, for unknown reasons,
with unknown namecalling, for an unknown people, and without any profitable results.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

It is wrong to spread slander by saying someone is spreading hatred Rachel...so please stop.
Deal with the facts and the bible then. If you dont agree say that...its tacky and uncalled for,
to call someone a liar and other names. Its great to labor in finding the truth and testing all
things...thats what the bible says. So join in please....noone wants to believe lies.

well the claim that the noachide laws are anti christian is false...the claim that an act of congress established the noachide laws as binding on the united states is false...the claim that ashkenazi jews are all khazars is false...the claim that the ancient khazars were anti christian is false...

if someone who repeats these claims and refuses to give them up is not knowingly lying then they are at least stubbornly misinformed...

and it is just as tacky and uncalled for when zone calls people who don't buy into her theories cowards or brainwashed or paranoid...or when ada insinuates that anyone who disagrees is uncompassionate and opposed to the will of jesus...

not to mention all of the horrible accusations being directed at a certain group of people... isn't it tacky and uncalled for to call people satanic? or antichrist?

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Then of coarse you are actually upset that people are misleading people about what "exactly", Rachel?
and why? Is it jews? if so please explain "exactly" what do "you" mean by "jews" and why?

Tell who it is you are defending and lets see who they are and then......whether anyone fits the picture that
this an many threads are devoted to.
This will save a ton of time to clear this up first.

Otherwise nothing will make sense other than your fighting a unknown battle, for unknown reasons,
with unknown namecalling, for an unknown people, and without any profitable results.

in this case i am defending ashkenazim who are being called imposters...and people who practice judaism who are having their religion slandered outlandishly... judaism is not the true religion but it is not a satanic cabal of christian-killers either...

i try to defend -anyone- who is attacked falsely or unjustly... i am also bothered by claims that african people are racially inferior...or that they are descendants of cain...or that their enslavement was justified by noah's curse...but fortunately that does not go on nearly as much here... and when we talk about muslims i have always tried to be careful to make a distinction between radical muslims and islam itself...since it is unfair to lump people who have never hurt anyone into the same category with people like osama bin laden...

finally even if nobody's human reputation is at stake...still truth itself is always worth defending...