How old is our world? A biblical timeline.

[Omegatime]

What year was the Exodus plus or minus 2 centuries?

Exodus date of 2553 on Passover or 1447 BC

1 Kings 6:1 In the four hundred and eightieth year after the people of Israel came out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon’s reign over Israel, in the month of Ziv, which is the second month, he began to build the house of the Lord.

Exodus Date 2553 plus 480 = year 3033

Considering all scholars see David reigning 1000BC, my timeline fits well

 

[ZuluKono]

Noah was still alive when Abraham was born.

That's rubbish and based on the corrupted genealogy of Genesis 11.

Did he remain a drunkard after cursing Ham's son?

How many times does a guy have to get drunk for you to call him an alcoholic? The point of it even being mentioned was to establish that Canaan was the bastard son of Ham and Noah's wife. That Noah's wife was Ham's mother is assumed, but can't be known for sure, but enough of that rabbit hole. It could be its own thread.

We do know Noah lived through the division of tongues after the Tower of Babel.

Again, rubbish. Died ≈50 years before Peleg was born. See above.

 

[Davidstarr]

That's rubbish and based on the corrupted genealogy of Genesis 11.

How many times does a guy have to get drunk for you to call him an alcoholic? The point of it even being mentioned was to establish that Canaan was the bastard son of Ham and Noah's wife. That Noah's wife was Ham's mother is assumed, but can't be known for sure, but enough of that rabbit hole. It could be its own thread.

Again, rubbish. Died ≈50 years before Peleg was born. See above.

Ham had his own wife.

Again I ask you

Please give the book, chapter and verses of where you are getting this information.
If you cannot then who can ever believe what you say?

If you are going to call the biblical record corrupted and rubbish then there is no reason to speak to you about it.

 

[ZuluKono]

The text only says God separated light from darkness.
It does not say He turned the light off each night.
It could be a spatial separation, where one region experienced light while another experienced darkness, or some other arrangement known only to God.

I'm not arguing with you here, just giving my take, which is worth what you paid.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

The beginning is self explanatory, and logically there should be an end, no?

The heaven (small "h") is all space in the universe coming into existence. Most translations render it "heavens", but that's incorrect, and values matter here.

The earth (small "e") is all matter in the universe coming into existence as one body of water. The "face" of the deep, singular. Again, values matter.

At that point the aforementioned body of water is in total darkness, either literally or figuratively.

God then declares "light" (Heat? The electromagnetic spectrum? Electricity itself? A positive charge to darkness's negative charge?) into existence, sees that it's like Himself, then separates it from the darkness? Who can fathom what that even means or looked like? Certainly not I, but I feel like (Yes, my feelings!) it's basically God charging the great cosmic Battery that powers the universe to this day, and like all batteries, it has a finite quantity of power.

Comparative mythology suggests that multiple "gods" created everything, and Job 38 reveals that the angels at least witnessed, and possibly participated in, some or all of the Creation. I could go on about this but it might make somebody hysterical and report me for heresy, so I'll quit here.

 

[ZuluKono]

Ham had his own wife.

Lots of men to this day fornicate with women who aren't their wives and impregnate them. Is this a revelation to you? What's your point?

Please give the book, chapter and verses of where you are getting this information.
If you cannot then who can ever believe what you say?

Which information in particular? The missing 650 years? They're recorded in other derivatives of the original Hebrew manuscripts. The Masoretic Text has some problems, and Genesis 11 is one of them.

If you are going to call the biblical record corrupted and rubbish then there is no reason to speak to you about it.

What I'm calling rubbish is your assertions concerning when Shem and Noah died. I get it, people are stubborn and don't want to believe that their preferred version of the Bible might have some issues. If you don't want to speak with me about it, I'm good with it, but you saying that I'm calling the "biblical record" rubbish is a lie, because (maybe this is a a brand new thought for you?) there's more than one record.

 

[Davidstarr]

Lots of men to this day fornicate with women who aren't their wives and impregnate them. Is this a revelation to you? What's your point?

Which information in particular? The missing 650 years? They're recorded in other derivatives of the original Hebrew manuscripts. The Masoretic Text has some problems, and Genesis 11 is one of them.

What I'm calling rubbish is your assertions concerning when Shem and Noah died. I get it, people are stubborn and don't want to believe that their preferred version of the Bible might have some issues. If you don't want to speak with me about it, I'm good with it, but you saying that I'm calling the "biblical record" rubbish is a lie, because (maybe this is a a brand new thought for you?) there's more than one record.

I have asked you multiple times to supply some specific references.
You have refused.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

Did the original hebrew mention God "created" the light?

And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Gen 1:2
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Gen 1:3

Did it need to since the Spirit of God moved upon on the face of the waters. Isn't the Spirit of God the Holy Spirit indwelling the believers?

It is written: This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 1 John 1:5-6

So we know God created time and space, and formless earth first, then let it be light.

In the beginning implies the first thing, the expanse of space was the first thing that came into existence seeing that space had to proceed mass since mass could not exist without space to occupy.

Time is fundamentally a measurement of change or motion. When we look at how we measure time, we are almost always comparing one moving object to another moving object. Time did not begin until the sun begin illuminating the expanse of space with visible light marking the morning (Day) which was proceeded by the darkness, (Night). Under relativity, time is not absolute; it is relative and dynamically linked to speed.

 

[Omegatime]

When considering the Word of God keep in mind the awesomeness and perfection of our God

 

[Omegatime]

I have a lot of information of why Israel was not in Egypt for 430 years as the Masoretic says. Just good stuff to consider if you make yourself a timeline.

Part #1---The generations of Israel were not living long enough to be in Egypt for 430 years.
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The 4 generations in Egypt

Judah, Perez, Hezron, Amram
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Jacob marries Leah at 71 years of age
Last child Benjamin born when Jacob was 99??
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11th child Joseph sold into slavery at 17 years of age
Joseph at age 30 serves Pharoh as administrator of Egypt
Jacob stands before Pharoh at 130 years old---Joseph was 39
Jacob dies at age 147
Joseph dies age 110
Levi dies age 137
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The first 2 generations entered together
We have to discount the sons of Jacob or we would be double counting
Assuming second generation was approx. 30 years of age meaning they were in Egypt for 107 yeas
Third generation 137 years using Levi for example
Fourth generation 137 minus 40 years in the wilderness where they died.

So, 107 plus 137 plus 97 =341 years maximum

It was just impossible for them to be in Egypt for 430 years

 

[Karlon]

Is there a continuous unbroken timeline in the bible from the day God said, "Let there be light" up to a known BC date (according to our modern Gregorian calendar)?
I submit that there is. I prefer to believe what the bible says in this matter.

I would strongly suggest people open their bibles and read these things for themselves.

Gen 5:1-5 would seem to indicate that Adam's lifespan (930 years) would begin from the day he was created and NOT 930 years after he was expelled from the Garden of Eden.
Now one cannot say "Well Adam was 930 years old when he died. Seth was 912, Enos was 905" add those numbers together for a continuous timeline. That would mean each son was born the same year when his father died.
You have to go with how old each father was when his son was born.
This gives the continuous timeline.

From Gen 5:3-32

Adam - 130 years old when his son was born
Seth - 105
Enos - 90
Cainan - 70
Mahalaleel - 65
Jared - 162
Enoch - 65
Methuselah - 187
Lamech - 182
Noah - 500 years old when his triplets were born (Shem, Ham and Japheth). Assuming they were triplets, which may not be the case.
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Years 1,556

From Gen 11:10-26

Shem - 100 years old when his son was born two years after the Great Flood
Arphaxad - 35
Salah - 30
Eber - 34
Peleg (Division) - 30 (approximate time of the Tower of Babel - Gen 10:25)
Reu - 32
Serug - 30
Nahor - 29
Terah - 130 Birth of Abraham (Note Acts 7:4; Gen 12:4 and 11:32 - Abram left Haran at the age of 75 when his father died at the age of 205)
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Years 450

Various scattered verses:

Abraham - 100 years old when Isaac was born Gen 21:5
Isaac - 60 years old when Jacob was born Gen 25:26
Jacob - 130 years old when he moved to Egypt Gen 47:8-9
Israelites in Egypt - 430 years (30 years as freemen, 400 years of bondage) Ex 12:40
To Solomon's 4th year as king - 480 years I Kings 6:1
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Years 1,200

Add those 3 totals up:
1,556
450
1,200
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3,206 years from creation to Solomon's 4th year as king

Then I went with the lengths of the reigns of the Kings of Judah from I & II Kings and II Chronicles.

Solomon reigned 37 more years AFTER his 3rd year as king for a total of 40 years (I Kings 11:42, II Chron. 9:30) - 37 years
Rehoboam (I Kings 14:21, II Chron. 12:13) - 17
Abijam (I Kings 15:2, II Chron. 13:2) - 3
Asa (I Kings 15:9-10, II Chron. 16:13) - 41
Jehoshaphat (I Kings 22:42, II Chron. 20:31) - 25
Jehoram (II Kings 8:16-17, II Chron. 21:5&20) - 8
Ahaziah (II Kings 8:25-26, II Chron. 22:2) - 1
Athaliah mother of Ahaziah (II Kings 11:3, II Chron. 22:12) - 6
Joash (II Kings 12:1, II Chron. 24:1) - 40
Amaziah (II Kings 14:1-2, II Chron. 25:1) - 29
Azariah (Uzziah) (II Kings 15:1-2, II Chron. 26:3) - 52
Jotham (II Kings 15:32-33. II Chron. 27:1) - 16
Ahaz (II Kings 16:1-2, II Chron. 28:1) - 16
Hezekiah (II Kings 18:1-2, II Chron. 29:1)(Israel taken captive by the Assyrians during his reign - 721 BC) - 29
Manasseh (II Kings 21:1, II Chron. 33:1) - 55
Amon (II Kings 21:19, II Chron. 33:21) - 2
Josiah (II Kings 22:1, II Chron. 34:1) - 31
Jehoahaz (II Kings 23:31, II Chron. 36:2) - 3 months
Eliakim (Jehoiakim) (II Kings 23:34-36, II Chron. 36:5) - 11 years
Jehoiachin (II Kings 24:8, II Chron. 36:9) - 3 months, 10 days
Mattaniah (Zedekiah) son of Josiah (II Kings 24:17-18, II Chron. 36:11) - 11 years
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Reigns of the Kings of Judah - 430 years

430 added to the above total of 3,206 = 3,636 from creation to the destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar 586BC
586BC + 3,636 years = 4,222 years from creation to 1AD (there was no zero year between 1BC and 1AD)
1AD to 2,026AD = 2,025 years + 4,222 = 6,247 years from creation to now

Now consider the fact that the above charts are NOT accurate. It assumes the reigns of the kings of Judah all started the same month/day as the
previous king. And also all the patriarchs had the exact same birthdays as their fathers. Here's an example:

John was born in the year 1900. His son Jim was born when John was 20 years old. Sam (Jim's son) was born when Jim was 20.
One would assume Jim was born in the year 1920 and Sam in 1940 right?
But what if John (dear ole grandpa) was born in December, Jim was born in November and Sam in October? The bible does not tell us the month/day
of the births (or reigns of kings), only the age (or year of reign).
How old would John be in November 1920? Only 19. His 20th birthday is another month away. So Jim had to be born in November 1921 and Sam in 1942.

Another example from the bible shows this discrepancy: Gen 5:32, 7:6 and 11:10

So already my lists above could be up to 20 years shy of the actual count. To correct this I split the 20 possible years I could be off by 10.
Added the 10 years to 6,247 for a date range of 6,257 +/- 10 years.

read the rose books of chronological timelines & read Ken Ham, he's the modern day expert on the age of the earth.

 

[Davidstarr]

I have a lot of information of why Israel was not in Egypt for 430 years as the Masoretic says. Just good stuff to consider if you make yourself a timeline.

Part #1---The generations of Israel were not living long enough to be in Egypt for 430 years.
------------------------------------------------------------
The 4 generations in Egypt

Judah, Perez, Hezron, Amram
--------------------------------------------------
Jacob marries Leah at 71 years of age
Last child Benjamin born when Jacob was 99??
-----------------------------------------------------------
11th child Joseph sold into slavery at 17 years of age
Joseph at age 30 serves Pharoh as administrator of Egypt
Jacob stands before Pharoh at 130 years old---Joseph was 39
Jacob dies at age 147
Joseph dies age 110
Levi dies age 137
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The first 2 generations entered together
We have to discount the sons of Jacob or we would be double counting
Assuming second generation was approx. 30 years of age meaning they were in Egypt for 107 yeas
Third generation 137 years using Levi for example
Fourth generation 137 minus 40 years in the wilderness where they died.

So, 107 plus 137 plus 97 =341 years maximum

It was just impossible for them to be in Egypt for 430 years

You can argue with scripture if you want. I have no reason to argue with you about it.

Fact is from Jacob, being 130 years old, until the day Moses led them out of Egypt was 430 years:

Gen 47:8-9 "And Pharaoh said unto Jacob, How old art thou? And Jacob said unto Pharaoh, The days of the years of my pilgrimage are an hundred and thirty years: few and evil have the days of the years of my life been, and have not attained unto the days of the years of the life of my fathers in the days of their pilgrimage."

Exo 20:40-41 "Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years. And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day it came to pass, that all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt."

In fact, it was the same day of the year when Jacob entered Egypt as it was when Moses led them out.

 

[Davidstarr]

read the rose books of chronological timelines & read Ken Ham, he's the modern day expert on the age of the earth.

I prefer the bible rather than the writings of other human beings.

 

[Karlon]

I prefer the bible rather than the writings of other human beings.

God has talented Bible teachers & pastors to teach us His word. imagine if no one ever had the talent for teaching & ministering. view the great teachers, have we learned from them? God gave the ability for men to teach. & we certainly always have the Holy Spirit's assistance.

 

[Davidstarr]

God has talented Bible teachers & pastors to teach us His word. imagine if no one ever had the talent for teaching & ministering. view the great teachers, have we learned from them? God gave the ability for men to teach. & we certainly always have the Holy Spirit's assistance.

Acts 17:11 tells us to search the scriptures DAILY for ourselves to make sure what our chosen leaders tell us is really the truth.

I know, it is much easier to let someone do the research then tell us what the bible says.
More often than not though these are people with college degrees and certificates from their own indoctrinated churches have hardly even opened a bible and only read what they have been trained to do.

Fact is, if you do not know the bible BETTER than your chosen teacher/preacher, how will you ever know if you are being taught the truth?

 

[Karlon]

Acts 17:11 tells us to search the scriptures DAILY for ourselves to make sure what our chosen leaders tell us is really the truth.

I know, it is much easier to let someone do the research then tell us what the bible says.
More often than not though these are people with college degrees and certificates from their own indoctrinated churches have hardly even opened a bible and only read what they have been trained to do.

Fact is, if you do not know the bible BETTER than your chosen teacher/preacher, how will you ever know if you are being taught the truth?

do most people know the Bible better than the teacher they are listening to? if they did, they would't need a teacher. no, no way. then we would all be teachers! read 2nd Timothy 2:7 & 15.

 

[Omegatime]

Septuagint

40 And the sojourning of the children of Israel, while they sojourned in the land of Egypt and the land of Chanaan, four hundred and thirty years.
41 And it came to pass after the four hundred and thirty years, all the forces of the Lord came forth out of the land of Egypt by night.

15 To give a human example, brethren: no one annuls even a man’s will, ( death of a Person ) or adds to it, once it has been ratified. 16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many; but, referring to one, “And to your offspring,” which is Christ. 17 This is what I mean: the law, which came four hundred and thirty years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18 For if the inheritance is by the law, it is no longer by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise

From Passover to Passover
Abraham died year 2123 on Passover
add 430 years =2553 year of Exodus
Jacob stood before Pharoh 130 years old year 3238 on Passover
Exodus Date 2553 minus 3238 =

315 years in Egypt

115 years in Cannan

 

[Davidstarr]

Septuagint

40 And the sojourning of the children of Israel, while they sojourned in the land of Egypt and the land of Chanaan, four hundred and thirty years.
41 And it came to pass after the four hundred and thirty years, all the forces of the Lord came forth out of the land of Egypt by night.

15 To give a human example, brethren: no one annuls even a man’s will, ( death of a Person ) or adds to it, once it has been ratified. 16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many; but, referring to one, “And to your offspring,” which is Christ. 17 This is what I mean: the law, which came four hundred and thirty years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18 For if the inheritance is by the law, it is no longer by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise

From Passover to Passover
Abraham died year 2123 on Passover
add 430 years =2553 year of Exodus
Jacob stood before Pharoh 130 years old year 3238 on Passover
Exodus Date 2553 minus 3238 =

315 years in Egypt

115 years in Cannan

The bible does not give the month/day of Abraham's death. There is no evidence in scripture that he died on Passover. It only states he was 175 years old a "good old age" (Gen 25:7-8).
Passover did not exist during the days of Abraham. It was first instituted in Exo 12 right before Moses led them out of Egypt.

As stated above (with the biblical references) Abraham was 100 when Isaac was born. Isaac was 60 years old when Jacob was born.
Jacob could not have been older than 15 when Abraham died.

Exo 12:40 "Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years."
It does NOT say Egypt AND Canaan. You are reading from the Septuagint. A Greek translation from the original Hebrew which was then translated into Latin and later on down the line into English.
The 430 years in Egypt could not have begun until Jacob took the entire tribe into Egypt when he was 130 years old.
Could not start at the death of Abraham. Jacob had not even entered Egypt yet.
Gen 15:13 & Acts 7:6 shows they were slaves for 400 years yet you claim they were only in Egypt for 315 years.

 

[Churchgoer]

And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Gen 1:2
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Gen 1:3

Did it need to since the Spirit of God moved upon on the face of the waters. Isn't the Spirit of God the Holy Spirit indwelling the believers?

It is written: This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 1 John 1:5-6


In the beginning implies the first thing, the expanse of space was the first thing that came into existence seeing that space had to proceed mass since mass could not exist without space to occupy.

Time is fundamentally a measurement of change or motion. When we look at how we measure time, we are almost always comparing one moving object to another moving object. Time did not begin until the sun begin illuminating the expanse of space with visible light marking the morning (Day) which was proceeded by the darkness, (Night). Under relativity, time is not absolute; it is relative and dynamically linked to speed.

I like this video.
Yes time space, very interesting.

 

[ZuluKono]

I have a lot of information of why Israel was not in Egypt for 430 years as the Masoretic says. Just good stuff to consider if you make yourself a timeline.

Part #1---The generations of Israel were not living long enough to be in Egypt for 430 years.
------------------------------------------------------------
The 4 generations in Egypt

Judah, Perez, Hezron, Amram
--------------------------------------------------
Jacob marries Leah at 71 years of age
Last child Benjamin born when Jacob was 99??
-----------------------------------------------------------
11th child Joseph sold into slavery at 17 years of age
Joseph at age 30 serves Pharoh as administrator of Egypt
Jacob stands before Pharoh at 130 years old---Joseph was 39
Jacob dies at age 147
Joseph dies age 110
Levi dies age 137
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The first 2 generations entered together
We have to discount the sons of Jacob or we would be double counting
Assuming second generation was approx. 30 years of age meaning they were in Egypt for 107 yeas
Third generation 137 years using Levi for example
Fourth generation 137 minus 40 years in the wilderness where they died.

So, 107 plus 137 plus 97 =341 years maximum

It was just impossible for them to be in Egypt for 430 years

If you haven't seen this video, I highly recommend you check it out. It's worth the 12 minutes of your time.

 

[ZuluKono]

I prefer the bible rather than the writings of other human beings.

But we're supposed to become educated by your supposedly untainted writings?

Raca!