You have no idea what is in the New Covenant. You sit in judgement as if you were God Himself. Satan is the accuser of the brethren. Lord Jesus said, "Let him who is without sin throw the first stone".
OSAS, When does salvation take place?
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No one’s struggling with this. I’m not in any meetings, or groups where this ever comes up. Even so, I’m not trying to be a downer. It’s just a lot of energy spent on topics that I don’t feel are real issues concerning ministry. One benefit of baptism is a reminder of salvation, when the devil tries to make a Christian doubt. It also helps to pray “Lord, I put on the helmet of salvation” to ward off doubtful thoughts of “saved or not”.
How about reading what I said? IF. That is not the same as saying that Jesus can fail.
I can’t believe I missed this sentence where you said Jesus can fail? That is a lie straight from the devil.
Pretty sure I was replying to someone else and it got mixed up.
Pretty sure that your grasp of English needs some work. IF! The point is that Jesus cannot fail. So neither can His people in the end. He is the Author and Finisher of our faith. There is no failure there.
Our lines got crossed or something. It’s like the post I replied to got edited or something. Either way, my bad. I’m not sure what happened.
It’s not that. We need to get busy serving, praying, and w as liking out our salvation. Issues surrounding salvation is like a college student that enrolls but never leaves the admissions office, because they can’t decide if they were truly admitted. Meanwhile, their teachers are wondering why they have shown up for class.
It actually is that because their fake gospel is leading people to be separated from the Lord.
The Osas doctrine is like ignoring the admissions office altogether claiming to be a student, then they go to class and the Savior has His angels remove them for being sin friendly.
Matthew 13:41,42 - The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Okay. Who cares? You’re right. You’ve won the great argument. Congrats. No what?
Hey, if you don't think it's a problem for the Lord that false doctrine is causing people to turn away from Him as He warned about in His Word, you should seriously revisit your relationship with the Lord and get back on track with following His will and His desires.
Understood. It's all good. I could have explained myself more clearly also.
Let it be according your faith. If you believe that Lord Jesus is unable to keep His promises, then I guess you can lose your salvation. Some of us know better. We know that He is faithful who has promised. We know that Lord Jesus is author and finisher of our faith. I guess that you are an exception. That's fine, believe what you like. But quit trying to impose your shallow "faith" on others.
John 10:27-29
"My sheep listen to My voice; I know them, and they follow Me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand. My Father who has given them to Me is greater than all. No one can snatch them out of My Father’s hand.…"
Amen! Well said. You are dealing with a lose your salvation troll who suffers from a severe case of anti-OSAS derangement syndrome.
In regard to Hebrews 5:9, I often hear works-salvationists cite this verse in an effort to try and support salvation by works/works righteousness. Now only believers have obeyed Him by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16) in order to become saved, and only believers obey Him after they have been saved through faith by practicing righteousness and not sin. (1 John 3:9,10)
In either sense, only believers obey Him.
Unbelievers/make believers have not obeyed Him by refusing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16) and without faith it's impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6), so unbelievers/make believers do not obey Him no matter how much "so called" obedience that they attempt to conjure up from an unregenerate heart in a vain effort to receive salvation by works. (Matthew 7:22-23)
In either sense, unbelievers/make believers do not obey Him.
1 John 3:7 - Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
Who are all these people? It's weird that you are so obsessed with this subject. You seem determined to indict as many people as possible on the charge of advocating for disobedience and being a servant of the devil, even if that means resorting to slander.
In regard to Romans 6:16, there are only two kinds of servants in this world, in the spiritual sense: servants of sin unto death, (descriptive of unbelievers/make believers) or servants of obedience unto righteousness. (descriptive of believers)
When we place our faith exclusively in Jesus Christ for salvation/believe the gospel by trusting in His finished work of redemption as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation we then become "servants of obedience unto righteousness." Being servants of sin is put in the past tense. Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - "Being then made free from sin, you became the servants of righteousness."
Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart (not just with the head) one believes unto righteousness.
Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not works) is accounted for righteousness.
No worries he did not win, not possible to win when one is completely and utterly wrong.
But unfortunately the bible can be used to support all manner of false teachings when one cherry picks verses.
It’s a kindergarten issue. No one really cares if you win an argument about whether a toy is on the playground or not.
I would disagree, there is no going on to maturity without fully comprehending that salvation is secure, in fact the Good News Of Christ Jesus is >>> saved is saved, a complete gift, so not sure what good news they received.