I would imagine osas needs that one changed also.
( which is bizarre, because in both examples the one lost ....RETURNS)
SO OSAS changes things needlessly.
Teachers will eventually make a fool out of their followers
False teaching by separating Scripture from Scripture
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( which is bizarre, because in both examples the one lost ....RETURNS)
SO OSAS changes things needlessly.
Teachers will eventually make a fool out of their followers
Maybe now that he sees it correctly unpacked, he can look at in wonderment, or keep his views and call it the "terrible parable"
My understanding of the parable is that both sons are lost. The younger son represents the rebellious, overt sinner, while the older son represents the self-righteous, moralistic religious person who thinks he earns God's favor through works.
The younger son "coming to his senses" or turning back illustrates how God's prior grace and internal prompting work on a dead heart, moving a sinner to repentance. The father's unmerited, running embrace highlights unconditional election and mercy that is not earned by human merit.
The older brother's anger at the father's mercy mirrors the Pharisees' resentment. The main point challenges anyone relying on their own goodness to celebrate heaven's joy when a lost sinner is found by grace alone.
There are 49,000 Christian Denominations in 2026. Your Denomination represents one in 49,000 different interpretations of the Bible.
Most of these Denominations claim to be the only one that possesses the truth and correct interpretation of the Bible, while accusing the rest of heresy.
What evidence do you have to show that your interpretation is Biblically correct.
No, the parable of the Prodigal Son mirrors the parable of the Lost Sheep. The Father rejoices over the return of the lost sheep more than he does over the person who remained righteous and never went astray because they have always been safe. Just like the Prodigal Son. I think this also mirrors the relationship that God/Jesus has with Israel. Christians are the righteous safe ones right now and God is going to rejoice when the children of the promise from Abraham/Isaac/Jacob return to Him.
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Making that connections between the parable of the lost sheep and the prodigal son, doesn't make sense. The prodigal son's brother was never righteous, he didn't need to go astray because he was already lost and spiritually dead reprobate.
The Israel of God is not a nation or ethnic group, it's actually a body of believers from every age and nation. The Church is the Israel of God and there are no Jews or Gentiles in it, we are all One in Christ.
There is no separate or special promise for Abrahams physical descendents, they are all under the same covenant as the rest of mankind.
There's clearly much you don't understand about the Bible and I'm not going to waste a lot of my time explaining it, so here is the full A.I. narrative that I've quickly gathered together to explain it to you:
The Younger Son (House of Israel / Ephraim)
- Two sons = two houses: Luke 15:11 — "A certain man had two sons." The division is rooted in Hosea 1:10–11 ("the people of the Lord…sons of the living God") and 1 Kings 12:16–24 (the actual split of the kingdom).
- Forsaking the covenant / idolatry: Luke 15:13 — "went into a far country and squandered his estate with loose living." Backed by 1 Kings 12:26–33 (Jeroboam's golden calves), 2 Kings 17:16–18 (idolatry in the north), and Hosea 4:17 — "Ephraim is joined to idols; leave him alone!"
- Exile / "distant country": 2 Kings 17:5–6 — the Assyrian deportation of the northern kingdom (722 BC). Also Jeremiah 3:8 — "I gave her…a bill of divorce, and sent her away" (referring to Israel).
- "Coming to their senses" / repentance: Luke 15:17–18. Fulfilled in Hosea 2:7 (some translations v.9) — "I will allure her…lead her into the wilderness and speak tenderly to her" — and Jeremiah 31:18–20 — "Truly I have turned…how can I give you up, Ephraim?"
- Yeshua's mission: Matthew 15:24 — "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
- Staying in covenant but self-righteous: Luke 15:29–30 — "All these years I've served you…yet you never gave me a young goat." Reflects Judah's posture of maintaining Torah while harboring resentment toward their scattered brothers.
- Father's reassurance: Luke 15:31 — "Son, you are always with me, and all that is mine is yours" — confirming the covenant with Judah remains intact.
- Two sticks joined: Ezekiel 37:16–19 — "Take a stick…'For Judah…' then take another…'For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim…' Join them one to another into one stick, that they may become one in your hand."
- One people under one king: Ezekiel 37:22 — "They shall be one nation…one king over all of them." Also Jeremiah 3:18 and Hosea 1:11.
- Celebration / inclusion: Luke 15:23–24, 32 — "Kill the fat calf…for this brother of yours was dead and is alive again."
- New covenant with both houses: Jeremiah 31:31–34 and Hebrews 8:8 — "I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah."
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There are countless opposing interpretations of every parable, prophecy and doctrine. You can make the Bible say anything you want, by plucking verses out of their intended context and twisting the narrative to force them to say something other than what they are saying.
There are many using AI to teach false doctrines, so we need to be under the protection of a faithful Shephard to lead and teach us. Otherwise we will be tossed about like a boat without a rudder, by every wind of doctrine.
It's not wise to outsource your eternal security to a robot, especially when the powers of darkness operate in that domain.
The things I posted are things I already believe and know. God/Jesus tells you extensively in the Old Testament how Israel and the 12 tribes of Israel will be restored upon the return of Jesus, even though only a remnant will be saved in Zechariah 13:8-9 to start over again during the Millennial Kingdom period, which is mostly what the Old Testament describes. Maybe it would help to read Zechariah, chapters 12 through 14 as a starting point.
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Personally, I think you have little knowledge of the Old Testament. God/Jesus said He was the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob for a reason. Read Romans 9:7-8 again and research what they mean.
Here is a more detailed explanation of that:
In 2 Corinthians 3:6, Paul identifies himself and his companions as "ministers of a new covenant," contrasting it with the old covenant of the letter. While Paul applies this to his ministry to both Jews and Gentiles, the specific promise of a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah originates from Jeremiah and is quoted by the author of Hebrews 8:8–12.
In Romans 11:27, Paul quotes the prophet directly, stating, "This is my covenant with them when I take away their sins," referring to the future restoration of Israel. Some theological perspectives argue that while the Church partakes in the spiritual blessings of this covenant, the literal covenant promises remain with the literal descendants of Abraham, specifically a "godly remnant" of Israel.
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The son that leaves and comes back parallels israel.
The jealous son parallels the church.
Neither can possibly be the lost world BECAUSE THE PARABLE ORIGINATES with the Father REPRESENTING the heavenly father.
Ahem...the 2 SONS, AT THE START OF THE PARABLE, are with the heavenly Father and are lost sinners.???
So to say otherwise changes the parable.
What is it with NEEDING it changed ?????
The jealous son parallels the church.
Neither can possibly be the lost world BECAUSE THE PARABLE ORIGINATES with the Father REPRESENTING the heavenly father.
Ahem...the 2 SONS, AT THE START OF THE PARABLE, are with the heavenly Father and are lost sinners.???
So to say otherwise changes the parable.
What is it with NEEDING it changed ?????
Who is the father in the parable representing?
How many sons are WITH THAT FATHER at the start of the parable.?
What would a son represent?
Who is the father of a lost sinner?
You may believe that your interpretation of those scriptures you posted is correct, but it doesn't line up with what the other scriptures say about the matter.
In Zechariah 13:8–9—where two-thirds are cut off and the remaining one-third passes through the fire to be refined like silver, is not describing a re-established tribal nation-state of ethnic Jews. Instead it points to the true spiritual remnant of believers (Jew and Gentile alike) united in Christ under the New Covenant.
Passages like Romans 11:26 ("and so all Israel will be saved") mean the full complement of God's elect—both believing Jews and believing Gentiles—rather than a distinct ethnic-national restoration of the twelve tribes of Israel.
There is no future, literal, earthly golden age or 1,000-year kingdom. When Jesus returns, it immediately brings the general resurrection, the final judgment, and the eternal state (the new heavens and new earth).
The "1,000 years" in Revelation 20:1-6 is a figurative number representing the entire present church age—the spiritual reign of Christ from His ascension until His Second Coming.
Again, your interpretation doesn't line up with all the other scriptures that deal with the matter.
The "children of the promise" in Romans 9:7-8 are those whom God sovereignly regenerates and calls to faith, regardless of whether they are Jew or Gentile. True spiritual Israel is defined by faith in Christ and sovereign election, not by ethnic pedigree.
2 Corinthians 3:6 does not teach that the promise of a New Covenant was made for a physical or ethnic "house of Israel and house of Judah". Instead, it reveals that God has only one overarching Covenant of Grace throughout history, administered in different ways (or sub-covenants) through Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, and finally Christ.
Scripture teaches that God is the Creator and Sovereign Lord of every nation, tongue, and person on earth (Psalm 24:1; Acts 17:26). When God called Abraham in Genesis 12:3, the explicit purpose of the covenant was universal: "all the peoples on earth will be blessed through you."
Paul contrasts the old covenant (the external Mosaic code carved on stone, which brings condemnation and death) with the new covenant (the internal work of the Holy Spirit writing God's law on human hearts, which brings life).
This contrast is not between a Jewish covenant and a non-Jewish covenant, but between the provisional, typical administration of the old order and its permanent, spiritual fulfillment in Jesus Christ.
We all know who the Father represents in the parable.
There were two sons with the Father at the start of the parable.
What do you mean by "what would a son represent". They don't represent the same thing in the parable so you need to rephrase your question.
God only has one Son, so He's not the Father of either the prodigal or his brother.
You need to read Romans 11 again. Once the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, God will return to Israel and have mercy on the remnant in order to start the next "age to come" (1,000 years) and to rebuild Israel and host an earthly Kingdom before it transitions into the permanent state of Heaven as shown in Revelation 20 & 21 (this will show you the order in which things will happen).
Here's Romans 11 again. Read it more carefully this time.
Romans 11:26-32
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
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Something else I don't think you understand is that when Jesus returns, He performs a Sheep & Goat Judgement among the survivors when he judges the nations. Revelation 20:1-6 doesn't mean that everyone was either beheaded to reign with Christ and everyone else died and put in the grave. There will be survivors like the ones in Zechariah 13:9 who will REMAIN on the earth along with other Gentile survivors and God/Jesus will reign over them all for that 1,000 years.
Zechariah 14:9 - And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
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Jeremiah 31 shows you that God/Jesus will make a new covenant with the House of Israel and the House of Judah after He returns and pours out His Holy Spirit on them like Zechariah 13:1, Ezekiel 36:25, and other Old Testament scriptures show.
Jeremiah 31:27-34
27 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.
28 And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the Lord.
29 In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
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This will be the third time this morning that I will use this reference for everyone to understand why God/Jesus came to Israel first and then to the Gentile nations in order to carry out His promises and blessings upon the whole world. As Romans 11 shows, when the fulness of the Gentiles comes in, God will turn around and show mercy on Israel and it's remnant to fulfill ALL of His promises. He will do this through the Millennial Kingdom period on earth before the permanent state of Heaven is revealed (Revelation 20 & 21).
the Bible makes it pretty clear that it was God's plan for the Jews to reject Jesus so that salvation could come primarily through the Gentiles first (as the second born) before He comes back to bless a remnant of the Jews (the first born). In the Jewish world, they always put so much emphasis on giving all of their inheritance to their first born, when God/Jesus mostly (not always) chose to use the second born to carry out His blessing and promises (ie Isaac over Ishmael, Jacob over Esau, etc.)
Excuse me for using A.I. to explain this in more detail and more thoroughly:
The biblical emphasis on the firstborn stems from ancient Near Eastern customs where the eldest son received a double portion of inheritance and served as the family's leader and priest (Deuteronomy 21:17; Genesis 49:3). In the Torah, this status required consecration to God, leading to the pidyon haben ritual where firstborn sons were symbolically redeemed from divine ownership (Exodus 13:2). Israel itself is designated God’s "firstborn" (Exodus 4:22) to signify its privileged covenantal relationship and preeminence among nations.
Jesus and the New Testament writers use the "second born over first born" theme (seen in figures like Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph) to illustrate that spiritual blessing is determined by divine election and faith, not biological priority. This pattern highlights that the younger or chosen line often carries the covenant promise, challenging traditional expectations of birthright. Theologically, this signifies that Christians are the "second born" or spiritual offspring who inherit the blessing through grace, while Jesus is termed the "firstborn of all creation" (Colossians 1:15) to denote his supreme authority and preeminence rather than literal birth order.
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This will be the third time this morning that I will use this reference for everyone to understand why God/Jesus came to Israel first and then to the Gentile nations in order to carry out His promises and blessings upon the whole world. As Romans 11 shows, when the fulness of the Gentiles comes in, God will turn around and show mercy on Israel and it's remnant to fulfill ALL of His promises. He will do this through the Millennial Kingdom period on earth before the permanent state of Heaven is revealed (Revelation 20 & 21).
the Bible makes it pretty clear that it was God's plan for the Jews to reject Jesus so that salvation could come primarily through the Gentiles first (as the second born) before He comes back to bless a remnant of the Jews (the first born). In the Jewish world, they always put so much emphasis on giving all of their inheritance to their first born, when God/Jesus mostly (not always) chose to use the second born to carry out His blessing and promises (ie Isaac over Ishmael, Jacob over Esau, etc.)
Excuse me for using A.I. to explain this in more detail and more thoroughly:
The biblical emphasis on the firstborn stems from ancient Near Eastern customs where the eldest son received a double portion of inheritance and served as the family's leader and priest (Deuteronomy 21:17; Genesis 49:3). In the Torah, this status required consecration to God, leading to the pidyon haben ritual where firstborn sons were symbolically redeemed from divine ownership (Exodus 13:2). Israel itself is designated God’s "firstborn" (Exodus 4:22) to signify its privileged covenantal relationship and preeminence among nations.
Jesus and the New Testament writers use the "second born over first born" theme (seen in figures like Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph) to illustrate that spiritual blessing is determined by divine election and faith, not biological priority. This pattern highlights that the younger or chosen line often carries the covenant promise, challenging traditional expectations of birthright. Theologically, this signifies that Christians are the "second born" or spiritual offspring who inherit the blessing through grace, while Jesus is termed the "firstborn of all creation" (Colossians 1:15) to denote his supreme authority and preeminence rather than literal birth order.
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