God's Will Before the Firing Squad
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Considering your post was indeed in response to the pastor, I considered tipping the scales with the unaccountable "FREE WILL". Due to this thread's concern, I'll assume you wish doesn't apply to anything concerning us?
I still have no idea what you're asking, as your language appears foreign to me, but I'm going to throw out an answer anyway.
Personally, I believe governments (good and bad) are established by God to appeal to His people at the time that He needs/wants it to.
Good governments protect the people from bad people.
Bad governments prove why we need a Savior and how no earthly government is capable of meeting the needs of all the people, much less God's people.
When governments become corrupt in the world, more people actually turn to God than when they are not.
As for corporal punishment, it too can be used for justice or to commit evil, depending on who the punisher is and why they are punishing.
God allows both to happen, to either bring judgement and/or to draw people closer to Him, hoping they will seek Him in an unfair and corrupt world.
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God Himself is the One that required capital punishment because of seedtime and harvest - man reaps what he sows.
The idea is that a person tat murders someone should be put to death as punishment which is a deterrent from others committing murder because they will not want to be put to death themselves so they refrain from murdering people.
Now that the death penalty is not enforced much anymore, the murder rates have gone way up so it's better for society to enforce capital punishment which helps keep murder rates down which helps protect society.
God cannot be mocked, what we sow is what we reap - Gal 6:7,8
This is His will as this is the operating system of His Kingdom.
He even tells us all throughout His Word to choose to do right, to sow to the Spirit so we reap life.
That's a total waste of money. When someone is convicted of cold blooded murder they should be given 2 years for appeals to make sure they were not wrongly convicted and then after that they need to be whacked.
Yeah they should have injected that lady with a big shot of fentanyl.
That would have done the trick no problem.
The general Christian-church culture (and myths) of the US clouds our understanding when we read Romans 13 from the perspective of an American: saying that national governmental powers are necessarily good people for God's purpose.
I doubt few of us, however, would argue that the government over a North Korean, an Iranian, or a Chinese believer is actually "a terror to evil works" and "God’s minister to you for good".
God can establish the basest of men to rule over people, evil men to rule over people, and corrupt men to rule over people because of the corruption of their own hearts. God can allow the people to choose their own leaders apart from Him (motions broadly at a democratic republic) as judgment upon themselves.
This portion of scripture actually deals with leadership among the saints. Evidence of this can be found in the epistles where the apostles command the saints to do various things in accordance with God's plan. Paul does this. Peter, John, Timothy, and Silvanus, too. That is why such care is given when acknowledging elders among the people of God and the instruction to not lay hands on anyone quickly, a sign of commission and empowerment from the greater to the lesser.
I doubt few of us, however, would argue that the government over a North Korean, an Iranian, or a Chinese believer is actually "a terror to evil works" and "God’s minister to you for good".
God can establish the basest of men to rule over people, evil men to rule over people, and corrupt men to rule over people because of the corruption of their own hearts. God can allow the people to choose their own leaders apart from Him (motions broadly at a democratic republic) as judgment upon themselves.
This portion of scripture actually deals with leadership among the saints. Evidence of this can be found in the epistles where the apostles command the saints to do various things in accordance with God's plan. Paul does this. Peter, John, Timothy, and Silvanus, too. That is why such care is given when acknowledging elders among the people of God and the instruction to not lay hands on anyone quickly, a sign of commission and empowerment from the greater to the lesser.