What's with your last sentence? To what are you referring? Maybe I missed something.
How did the people accept what the Lord Jesus said?
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I’m asking the OP. He has a wacky view of Scripture and a clear pattern of subverting orthodox interpretation. My question wasn’t directed at anyone else.
Oh right. I get that. Did he write something in this thread or in another?
To me it seemed like a straight forward question. But I don't know his history.
Thanks.
He consistently quotes the passages saying Jesus spoke in parables and treats every single passage of Scripture as though it is a parable. He persists despite repeated correction. He starts threads with questions but only as a pretext to “share” his personal interpretation.
Jesus modelled being an apostle (a sent One) of God in Matthew's Gospel.
Jesus modelled being a prophet of God in John's Gospel.
Jesus modelled being an evangelist of God in Mark's Gospel.
Jesus modelled being a pastor and teacher in Luke's gospel.
Those who behave like Jesus did in those roles are in those roles too. When someone claims to be in those roles, but does not behave as Jesus did in those roles, beware.
As Paul said, "Be ye imitators of me as I am of Christ."
Be willing to become conformed to the image of Jesus Christ's attitudes and behaviour in those roles..
Why did the Lord Jesus appoint different ministry positions, as mentioned in Ephesians 4:11?
Do these positions have distinct roles and responsibilities?
If so, what is the specific role and function of each ministry?
The answer to your first question is in the text, plain as the nose on your face. The answer to your second question also in the text but you will need to do more reading to find it.
Yes. According to Ephesians 4:11-12, Christ gave these ministries to His church "for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ."
The purpose was not to create ranks of importance, but to build up believers so the whole body could function properly.
Apostles
The apostles were men directly commissioned by Christ and sent with authority to establish the church and lay its doctrinal foundation (Luke 6:13; Acts 1:21-22; Ephesians 2:20).
They preached the gospel, planted churches, and delivered revelation from God that became Scripture.
Prophets
Prophets spoke messages given by God for instruction, encouragement, warning, and edification (Acts 11:27-28; 1 Corinthians 14:3). Along with the apostles, they helped lay the foundation of the early church (Ephesians 2:20).
Evangelists
Evangelists proclaim the gospel to unbelievers and help bring people to faith in Christ.
Philip is called an evangelist (Acts 21:8), and Timothy was instructed to "do the work of an evangelist" (2 Timothy 4:5).
Pastors (Shepherds)
Pastors care for, guide, protect, and nurture God's people spiritually.
The shepherd imagery comes from Christ Himself, the Good Shepherd (John 10:11).
Pastors feed the flock with God's Word and watch over souls (Acts 20:28; 1 Peter 5:2-3).
Teachers
Teachers explain and apply God's Word so believers can understand and obey it.
Teaching was a central ministry in the early church (Acts 13:1; Romans 12:7).
Their role is to bring believers into greater knowledge of the truth.
These ministries have distinct functions, but they work toward the same goal: equipping believers, promoting spiritual maturity, protecting against false doctrine, and building up the body of Christ (Ephesians 4:12-16).
An apostle establishes, a prophet declares God's message, an evangelist gathers, a pastor shepherds, and a teacher instructs.
Together they serve Christ's purpose of growing His church into maturity and unity in the faith.
If you really know the answer, why don’t you answer the question directly? Could it be that you’re just giving instructions because you don’t actually know the answer?
I know the answer. I refuse to waste time spoon-feeding you because you consistently resist instruction.
No, not entirely.
In the New Testament, the apostles were appointed directly by the Lord Jesus Himself.
He personally chose the Twelve (Luke 6:13), and Paul repeatedly testified that he was an apostle "not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ" (Galatians 1:1).
Their appointment was unique and foundational because the church was "built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets" (Ephesians 2:20).
The prophets of the New Testament likewise received a direct calling and revelation from God (Acts 13:1-2; 21:10-11).
Their ministry functioned during the foundational period of the church alongside the apostles.
By contrast, Scripture shows pastors/elders, overseers, teachers, and evangelists being recognized through the ministry of the church. Men were identified by their gifts, character, doctrine, and calling, then appointed or commended for service (Acts 13:2-3; 14:23; 1 Timothy 3:1-7; Titus 1:5-9).
Even so, the ultimate source of the gift remained Christ, for Ephesians 4:11 says He gave these ministers to the church.
So the key distinction is this:
Apostles were personally appointed by Christ as foundational witnesses of His resurrection.
Prophets received direct revelation from God for the church's foundational period.
Evangelists, pastors, and teachers are gifted by Christ and recognized by the church through their doctrine, character, and service.
Whether someone today truly functions in one of these ministries must be tested by Scripture, because Jesus said, "By their fruits ye shall know them" (Matthew 7:16), and believers are commanded to "prove all things" (1 Thessalonians 5:21).
The New Testament places far more emphasis on a person's faithfulness to the Word and godly character than on a title.
I think you will never know. You are just pretending to know in order to show that you are knowledgeable.
On the other hand, if you really know the truth but refuse to share it, then you are being selfish.
Those who have come to know the only true God have never withheld the truth found in God’s Word from others, because the Lord Jesus strictly commanded them to share it.
MARK 16:15
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
MATTHEW 10:8
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
Proof that they love their neighbors.
MARK 12:31
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
This proves that you are not among those whom the Lord commissioned.
Because the only person you love is yourself.
That is why you think so highly of yourself and believe that you can never be wrong, because you really love being praised by others.
To your title, people accept his teachings through his miraculous works. The Lord himself said it - let his work bear witness.
In the New Testament, the apostles were appointed directly by the Lord Jesus Himself.
He personally chose the Twelve (Luke 6:13), and Paul repeatedly testified that he was an apostle "not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ" (Galatians 1:1).
You yourself also said that Paul was appointed as an apostle by the Lord Jesus, according to Galatians 1:1, even though the Lord was no longer physically on earth when Paul received his calling.
Couldn’t the Lord Jesus do that again in our time today?
There will be confusion about this.
Arrogance getting involved.
Jealousy taking place.
Not believing going on.
Some might get arrogant saying they are something that they were not called to do.
Some not believing they were called for they do not really believe that person was called or is lying.
Some being jealous of a person claiming to be something and denying it they were called.
A lot can go on concerning this.
Some said they are a prophet but then their interpretation seems whacked out.
People claiming they are one of the 144,000 in Revelation.
And one man said he is one of the 2 witnesses.
One man said he is the 3rd eagle, angel, of Revelation, and co-prophet of the end times and he has the most bizarre interpretations.
Even using the score of a football game to reference something of God.
He can see a fight jump out of the water and think it is a message from God.
There will be confusion, doubt, arrogance, exalting, lying, jealousy, not believing, when dealing with this matter.
Because there are many people who deny the Spirit leading them so they are of the flesh getting involved.
I never thought I was anything but a common saint and do not like to call myself anything but that.
Everybody is supposed to preach and teach but not all is to lead a congregation or travel.
That is what it seems like to me for we are all called to reach out to people with the same message no matter how big the group or how far the distance.
We all do the same thing.
As far as a prophet what does that entail for everybody can understand the Bible and everything about it for God gives wisdom to all people liberally nothing wavering.
So no one is privileged to know more than another but it would depend how much they apply themselves concerning the Bible.
But the Bible says the Spirit will show us things to come so what do the prophets do.
It seems like they are to help the body of Christ understand current movements of God and prepare for what lies ahead.
The Old Testament prophets were to warn Israel to turn from their wicked ways back to the LORD which the whole Church does that warning the world and wayward people claiming Christianity.
It seems the title of prophet gets used the most for people wanting to exalt themselves which some have interpretations that are contrary to mainstream belief and you might of never heard it that way before.
But how else can they exalt themselves unless they appear as having some interpretation no one else could attain to.
Like the Woke movement that goes against mainstream society trying to act like they are special and the wave of the future.
And people becoming transgender to confirm that they can live however they want to live and be whatever they want to be so back off.
Who want desperately to exalt themselves stepping out of the bounds of reality to do so.
Motivated by insecurity, and low self esteem, that American society caused by the way they operate making them feel like a nobody and nothing special in society.
Which is really affecting the youth/young adults and the reason so called Karens are lashing out.