That is a parable, and has nothing at all to do with the use of the word 'seed' in 1 John 3:9.
Shall we sin that grace may abound?
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The ground from Jesus' parable is inconsequential to the truth that God's seed cannot bring forth liars, thieves, or adulterers.
Repentance can be permanent, especially when you realize that the repentant get the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:39)
Sactification happens at the application of the Lord's sanctifying, atoning, justifying, consecrating, blood. (Heb 10:10, 14)That application occurs during our baptism into Christ and into His death. (Rom 6:3-7)
You can't see the diffrence between plucking from and jumping from ?
Plucking is done by an outside entity, and jumplig is done of one's own free will.
I am guessing that you meant to type "WHY is He unable..."
God won't force anyone to remain true to Him.
He won't force men to go to heaven and be with Him forever.
While many strart on the path of righteousness, plenty fall away.
Many are just posers, known from before time, and sent to make the church look evil.
But when they weren't posers you called them "sinless", like you call yourself.
But they bear fruit and you call them sinless. How do they bear fruit if they don't have the Spirit of Christ?
Plenty of evil men produce a false fruit, to their own glory instead of to God's glory.
“That's why we should go by what God says in His Word. The Lord tells us in His Word there will be false teachers and there will be deception. Jesus even spoke of tares as being the children of the devil sent to deceive the children of God.“
right we should all go to Jesus and hear his word .
@So your fix is to just allow any and all doctrine to come in?”-
Lol naw like I said God chose and enabled teachers who are supposed to teach people what his word says . Again my point isn’t that “ we should just believe anything “ but that if every Christian thinks they already know everything and spend thier time arguing about doctrine …… no one will ever learn anything it’s chaos two people who know a little think they know a lot but birthed has any room to hear what the other guy is saying
This isn’t gods design to argue and label each other heretics . The thing is it’s not just a guy like you who thinks he’s there to “defend the truth and keep doctrine correct “ several people think the same thing but y’all are saying opposite things . If everyone’s job is to correct doctrine…… who is there to listen when someone out of the many who are infallibly correcting thinggs gets it right ? Is there no group to listen to the teachers ?
a false teacher also quotes scriptires brother ….Satan quotes scriptures trying to tempt Jesus . You can take a pre trib and post trib argument both sides wuote a few verses claiming “ this is gods word of you deny it your denying what god said …. Then the other guy quotes some verses and says this is gods word if you deny it yoye denying gods word …..
all the false stuff comes from wrest of the scriptures to the destruction of many . So my point is how does anyone know who’s the real genius teacher that’s been sent here from god to correct everyone if ….. several are saying different things . Yet they quoted a verse too and explain “ that’s gods word “
i came here bout four or five years back my nephew made this page and showed me how to use it . The same circles about the same subjects some here to correct and teach others here to argue others here say little but it’s always wise but it’s always remained that there’s constant arguing strife name calling accusations judgements “ I’m here to correct things “ no I’m here to correct things “ listen to me I have studied Greek online “ no listen to me I’m a kjv only guy …..
It’s time for me to disappear again get back into the real world with the strength I have left. This place could be such a benefit but there’s too much arguing and bickering too many teachers and judges and correctors of doctrine . Really drains the spirit
“Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.”
Romans 14:19 KJV
God bless and thanks for the time !
Yes, I did, I AM studing to show myself approved. 2 Tim 2:25, I AM learning as I AM reading you gentalmens posts
Is the scripture saying you can not sin because you have already been forgiven, and the law has been done away with. kind of like you only need to pray once for forgiveness and not repeatly. Not like the old way of offering for forgiveness repeated. You pray once and is it permanently under the blood? The sin is covered and doesn't exist in GODS eyes? YHVH EL ROI
Romans 5:8-11 KJV
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. [9] Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. [10] For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. [11] And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. [9] Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. [10] For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. [11] And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Let me guess, you should decide what is correct doctrine and what isn't?
Everyone should bow down to you?
And yet God's Word warns us that there will be many false teachers!
You are following the wisdom of man which is kinda like Rodney King's "can't we all just get along?"
When it comes to the things of the Lord, no we cannot just all get along because Jesus taught that there are tares among us sent by satan to deceive God's children
In John 8:44, Jesus tells those listening to Him, "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning," and so on. satan has sons!
He not only has sons, he has servants, ministers, even apostles (II Corinthians 11:13-15). This parable says that satan has secret agents! He has spies, moles, and plants right in the church! We just saw them—ministers, apostles, servants, sons—smack-dab amongst us, and they are so cleverly disguised that many cannot tell the difference between them and true Christians.
They look converted, talk converted, and seem so pure and righteous oftentimes. Paul tells us in II Corinthians 11:15 that they "transform themselves into ministers of righteousness." They look so good, they say the right things, they serve, and they teach just like the good seed. But they are evil! How subtle satan is (Genesis 3:1)!
In Luke 12:51, Jesus tells us, "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, NO; but rather division" indicating that his mission would lead to divisions even within families. This shows that we all need to make a decision concerning following the teachings of the Lord (Spirit minded) or following the wisdom of man (canal minded)
I'm not saying anything that opposes what the Lord says in His Word. Many are defending reformed theology which is not God's Word, but is actually doctrines of demons.
There's actually only One Teacher according to Jesus and that is the Lord - Matthew 23:10
Men should be being led by the Lord to say what He has already said in His Word, but few actually do that.
Yes and Jesus was able to discern the scripture twisting satan was engaging in adn I can do the same since Jesus gave me the Holy Spirit to lead and guide me in to all Truth (John 16:13, and John 17:17)
We'll have to speak God's Word in order to edify and present the possibility for peace to others.
Teaching reformed theology, catholicism or other religious systems of carnal man ainb't gonna cut the mustard
“Let me guess, you should decide what is correct doctrine and what isn't?
Everyone should bow down to you?”
not at all , I’m saying you guys who think you are here to teach everyone are just arguing with others who think they are here to teach everyone.
ever notice there’s a teaching forum here and then a bible discussion forum ? Notice the teaching forum doesn’t get a lot of traffic ? But the discussion forum you might hear a lot of differing views on whatever the subject is ?
teachers have thier place in the body of Christ . Me ? No I’m just an old retired Christian who knows some things and other things are still a mystery to me . I like to discuss the Bible but I avoid the teaching forum because I’m not seeking an internet teacher to follow and learn from
a discussion is hard to have when the “ Christian elders and teachers “ believe they are the barometer for all truth and it’s thier duty to “correct the doctrine “
really it’s more this
“And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?”
1 Corinthians 3:1-3 KJV
Me no I’m not anyone’s leader or barometer of truth . My opinion however is that Jesus is the measure and spoke the word of truth . I just believe it’s the person who needs to go learn from Jesus especially these days with so many contrary teachers correcting doctrine yet never really speaking of his doctrine. Or what it was he taught people like living peacefully things like turning the other cheek to insults and offenses are meant to lead to peace in the group of believers.
Not a carnal argument about details of doctrine . Two would argue to death about the sabbath day whether we are required to keep it or not . It they have no concept of the personal nature of faith in Christ
“One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. ( these two disagree on a point of doctrine) Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.( it’s between the believer and god )
( what about eating unclean foods ? )
He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. ( one eats the meat the other doesn’t both thank god )
For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, And every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.”
Romans 14:5-12 KJV
Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.”
Romans 14:1-2, 13 KJV
what I was talking about that seems to have upset you is when you have a group and everyone thinks it’s thoer job to correct the others lol in life or in Christianity …. There’s no order and no fruit will come of it . It always ends in division and creates strife and draws others in ect ( I’ve done it also )
Been involved in the same type of arguments here so I’m no different other than I’ve always loudly and clearly said I’m no one’s teacher or prophet or even a wise man in general or leader …… just an old guy hoping to peacefully discuss the Bible with other believers who want to be able to discuss the Bible without the teachers creating huge arguments in every thread insisting upon correcting everything ….. that’s why I disappear sometimes . I don’t wanna participate in the strife and division because like I had originally said the Bible talks a lot about it as foolishness and destructive and subversion to people who hear and participate ……
constant strife and arguing and judgements is not Christianity theres peace and joy and fellowship brotherly love gentleness humbleness self control ect that’s where people learn things from one another
“For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.”
1 Thessalonians 5:9-11
but not so much in the battle of “the real teachers and thier opponents the heretics “ who disagree with something they said once and day 96 of the argument continues
I always think maybe there’s peaceful discussion about Jesus and the gospel there and sometimes there can be a some but mostly the teachings aren’t drawing a crowd in the teaching forum so the discussion forum becomes the teaching forum .
definately though lol I’m not here to teach anything to anyone gotta be called an enabled and fully instructed by the lord for that role…… I just am retired , tired , and have too much time and not enough energy for anything real anymore so like to discuss peoples ideas in forums and compare it to scriptures that I myself remember reading along the way …..
to be clear alot of people here have great things to say , you included have some good thoughts and ideas for a discussion many others also do given the subject. I think it’s the self annointing to be the people who correct everything .
No one here really knows anyone else not to judge each other sinners and unworthy or saints and sinless ….not to accept that they this person we haven’t met and don’t always agree with on every matter are someone called of god to teach them ect but some here really seem to believe this is thier role .
I think this is the thing for some. Discussions are great …..bickering name calling judging from a pedestal as if we aren’t correctable but are the corrector appointing one’s self the others teacher
these things sort of undermine much of what gets said.
all I claim to really know is the believer going to jesus and hearing the gospel themselves is going to change thier lives if they haven’t yet done that and instead trust in teachers seeking disciples
If they have thank god and press forward understanding you aren’t perfect yet but ..,,press towards the goal
Romans 5:15-17 KJV
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. [16] And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. [17] For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. [16] And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. [17] For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
But different in their points made.
In the parable, the seed is the word of God.
In 1 John 3:9-10, the seed is God's genetic source of new life in Christ Jesus, for the repentant and washed.