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I already did and I made two posts following that one. Did you not understand what they said?
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That didn't really answer my question. Are you afraid of offending people here? Do you or do you not believe that God/Jesus will bring a remnant of the Jews into the New Covenant, restore the land for them, and bring them into the Millennial Kingdom to live in peace for 1,000 years before the final Great White Throne Judgement and Heaven is revealed for all? (Revelation 20 & 21)
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I think you're trying to evade my question. The seed of Isaac and Jacob have been called.
Romans 9:7-11
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth.
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We've been around this circle long enough for me to tell that you have absolutely no idea what you're reading or posting. Thanks for the confirmation.
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I've already explained it to you. You're not replying to those responses, so you don't understand what you're reading.
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First off
Let me say I'm not antisemetic...
I have zero desire to see the Jewish people die by any reason....
BUT
Jews collectively are the MOST annoying group of all of mankind.
And it was for that reason why God chose them to be his chosen people.
These annoying behavior traits? They have gotten them to be hated and despised and executed en masse over the millennium. Spanish Inquisition, French Inquistion, WW2 and etc....
So....they incur the ire of everyone due to the specific businesses they choose to be involved with.
And then they are obnoxious when dealing with their customers.
Being even more annoying.
Result being they are the most annoying people on the planet....
However....since God Chose them....
Because if God chose them....then there's hope for people like me...
Let me say I'm not antisemetic...
I have zero desire to see the Jewish people die by any reason....
BUT
Jews collectively are the MOST annoying group of all of mankind.
And it was for that reason why God chose them to be his chosen people.
These annoying behavior traits? They have gotten them to be hated and despised and executed en masse over the millennium. Spanish Inquisition, French Inquistion, WW2 and etc....
So....they incur the ire of everyone due to the specific businesses they choose to be involved with.
And then they are obnoxious when dealing with their customers.
Being even more annoying.
Result being they are the most annoying people on the planet....
However....since God Chose them....
Because if God chose them....then there's hope for people like me...
Let me explain it to you in more detail what "God's sovereign purpose" means again, since you used those words, but have no idea what they mean.
God/Jesus tells us why He chose Israel and the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to make them a witness to the fact that He is God before all of the nations on earth (the Millennial Kingdom) for 1,000 years before all are judged. (Revelation 20 & 21).
- Isaiah 43:10–12 — "You are my witnesses," declares the Lord, "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me. I, even I, am the Lord, and apart from me there is no savior. I have declared and saved, I have proclaimed, and there was no foreign god among you; therefore you are my witnesses, declares the Lord, that I am God."
- Isaiah 44:6–8 — "I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no savior... Fear not, O worm Jacob, O insects of Israel! Fear not, for I am with you; be not dismayed, for I am your God... Who has done this and declared it? When I chose them, they were not present; after that you have become my witnesses, declares the Lord — that I am God."
- Isaiah 46:9–13 — "Remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning... My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose, in bringing from Babylon a remnant, and from Assyria my chosen people, that they may rejoice in me, and that all the ends of the earth may know that in the Lord alone is salvation, and in my name no other."
- Isaiah 42:6–7 — "I am the Lord; I have called you in righteousness; I will take you by the hand and keep you; I will give you as a covenant for the people, a light for the nations, to open the eyes that are blind, to bring out the prisoners from the dungeon, from the prison those who sit in darkness."
- Isaiah 49:6 — "It is too light a thing that you should be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved of Israel; I will make you a light for the nations, that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth."
- Isaiah 55:4–5 — "Behold, I will give him as a witness to the peoples, a leader and commander for the peoples... Surely you shall call a nation you do not know, and nations that do not know you shall run to you, because of the Lord your God, the Holy One of Israel; for he has glorified you."
- Isaiah 60:3 — "Nations shall come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your dawn."
- Isaiah 66:18–20 — "I am coming to gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come and see my glory. I will set a sign among them, and I will send survivors of my people to the nations... and they shall bring all your brothers from all the nations as an offering to the Lord... and they shall come to my holy mountain in Jerusalem on horseback... For as the new heavens and the new earth that I make shall remain before me, says the Lord, so shall my offspring and my name remain."
- Ezekiel 36:23 — "I will sanctify my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the Lord, declares the Lord God, when I am proven holy in you before their eyes."
- Ezekiel 38:16 — "I will bring you against my land, so that the nations may know me, when I am sanctified through you before their eyes, O Gog."
- Ezekiel 39:7 — "My holy name I will make known in the midst of my people Israel, and I will not let my holy name be profaned anymore. And the nations will know that I am the Lord, the Holy One in Israel."
- Deuteronomy 4:5–8 — "See, I have taught you statutes and rules... Observe them carefully, for this will show your wisdom and understanding to the nations, who will hear about all these decrees and say, 'Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.' For what great nation is there that has gods so near to it as the Lord our God is to us whenever we call upon him?"
- Deuteronomy 28:10 — "The Lord will set you high above all the nations of the earth."
- Exodus 19:5–6 — "Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession... and you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation."
- Romans 3:1–2 — "What advantage has the Jew? Considerable in every respect. First of all, that they were entrusted with the very words of God."
- Acts 13:46–47 — Paul and Barnabas declare to the Jews: "Since you have rejected it and judged yourselves unworthy of eternal life, we are turning to the Gentiles. For so the Lord has commanded us, 'I have made you a light to the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.' (Quoting Isaiah 49:6.)
- Acts 15:17–18 — James quotes Amos 9:11–12: "After this, I will return and rebuild the dwelling of David... so that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes known these things from of old."
Consider the Resurrection !
Jn 11:23-26
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
1 Cor 15:20-23
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man[ Christ] came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Shall the OT Saints raise from the dead ? Wherein does their hope lie? Is it not in Jesus Christ ? That's exactly what Jesus meant when speaking to the Sisters of Lazarus. Yes Lazarus would have been a OT Saint at that particular time in biblical history, for technically the New Covenant era did not commence until after Christ death, for it was inaugurated by His Blood Matt 26:28
28 For this is my blood of the new testament or covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Now as to the Resurrection, Paul spake of the Father's [Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob] and the Twelve Tribes having this hope Acts 26:6-8
6 And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God, unto our fathers:
7 Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.
8 Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you, that God should raise the dead?
Acts 13:32-33
32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
Now I hope we see this, OT Saints, the Fathers their hope of Resurrection in the Last Day, lied in Christ's , the Head of the Church, The Great Shepherd of the Sheep.
Now if the OT Saints hope of Resurrection is fulfilled in Christ being raised from the dead [He being the [First fruits] as Acts 13 :32-33 tells us, then that means they too were part of the Church, the Body of Christ in the OT, because their hope is In Christ's Resurrection, the Head of the Body, the Church, just as the NT Saints hope is.
You see, He is the Firstfruits of all who are in Him to rise again at His coming in the Last Day. Jesus told the Sisters " I am the Resurrection " that is their brother's resurrection in the last day they referenced, was dependent upon Him and His Finished work. The OT Saints and the NT Saints hope of Resurrection is centered in the One Head, the Lord Jesus Christ, the Head of the Church. His Resurrection is not only a guarantee, but a pledge in the sense that it was the actual beginning of that event that will occur at His Coming. That's why He is the First fruit, a pledge of the coming harvest.
Notes:
The Fallacy of Two Peoples: Why Christ’s Resurrection Demolishes Dispensational Timelines
To anyone holding to a dispensational or premillennial framework: Your system splits the people of God into two separate categories—earthly Israel and the New Testament Church—complete with separate timelines, separate promises, and multiple physical resurrections. By doing this, you do not realize that you are slicing the singular, organic Body of Christ in half and creating a monstrous theology with one Head and two separate bodies.
Scripture utterly demolishes this carnal division. The moment you look at the mechanics of the resurrection, the dispensational chart collapses.
In John 11:24, when Martha looks forward to her brother’s resurrection, she references the standard covenantal hope: "I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day." Lazarus was historically and technically an Old Testament saint, living and dying before the New Covenant was formally ratified by Christ’s blood (Matt 26:28). Yet how does Jesus correct her? He doesn't say, "Lazarus is part of an earthly Israel timeline distinct from My future Church." He declares: "I am the resurrection, and the life."
Jesus re-centers the entire hope of the Old Testament Fathers directly upon His own person and finished work. Physical resurrection is not a generic end-times event; it is a Covenant legal right that flows exclusively from vital union with Jesus Christ.
Look at the absolute mathematical symmetry Paul lays down in 1 Corinthians 15:20-23. Christ is risen from the dead and become the "firstfruits of them that slept." In Old Testament law, the firstfruits wave-offering was not merely a chronological marker; it was the legal consecration and guarantee of the entire identical harvest.
Paul ties this exact reality to the Old Testament saints. In Acts 26:6-8 and Acts 13:32-33, Paul explicitly states that the "promise made unto the fathers" and the hope of the "twelve tribes" was completely fulfilled when God raised up Jesus.
Here is the inescapable legal logic that your fragmented dispensational timeline cannot survive: If the resurrection of the Old Testament Fathers is legally bound up in, guaranteed by, and a part of the exact same "firstfruits" harvest as Christ’s resurrection, then the Old Testament saints are structurally and organically part of the Body of Christ—the Church.
A head cannot have two separate, fragmented bodies. There is only one Head and therefore one Harvest.
Your complex charts inventing secret raptures, seven-year gaps, and thousand-year intervals between resurrections are completely exposed by the text. When Christ, the Firstfruits, returns at the literal Last Day, the singular, complete, global harvest of the elect—stretching from Adam and Abraham to the very last regenerated Gentile—will be physically raised together in Phase V (Glorification)
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Change your charts or deny the texts, but you cannot have both. 6
Jn 11:23-26
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
1 Cor 15:20-23
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man[ Christ] came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Shall the OT Saints raise from the dead ? Wherein does their hope lie? Is it not in Jesus Christ ? That's exactly what Jesus meant when speaking to the Sisters of Lazarus. Yes Lazarus would have been a OT Saint at that particular time in biblical history, for technically the New Covenant era did not commence until after Christ death, for it was inaugurated by His Blood Matt 26:28
28 For this is my blood of the new testament or covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Now as to the Resurrection, Paul spake of the Father's [Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob] and the Twelve Tribes having this hope Acts 26:6-8
6 And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God, unto our fathers:
7 Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.
8 Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you, that God should raise the dead?
Acts 13:32-33
32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
Now I hope we see this, OT Saints, the Fathers their hope of Resurrection in the Last Day, lied in Christ's , the Head of the Church, The Great Shepherd of the Sheep.
Now if the OT Saints hope of Resurrection is fulfilled in Christ being raised from the dead [He being the [First fruits] as Acts 13 :32-33 tells us, then that means they too were part of the Church, the Body of Christ in the OT, because their hope is In Christ's Resurrection, the Head of the Body, the Church, just as the NT Saints hope is.
You see, He is the Firstfruits of all who are in Him to rise again at His coming in the Last Day. Jesus told the Sisters " I am the Resurrection " that is their brother's resurrection in the last day they referenced, was dependent upon Him and His Finished work. The OT Saints and the NT Saints hope of Resurrection is centered in the One Head, the Lord Jesus Christ, the Head of the Church. His Resurrection is not only a guarantee, but a pledge in the sense that it was the actual beginning of that event that will occur at His Coming. That's why He is the First fruit, a pledge of the coming harvest.
Notes:
The Fallacy of Two Peoples: Why Christ’s Resurrection Demolishes Dispensational Timelines
To anyone holding to a dispensational or premillennial framework: Your system splits the people of God into two separate categories—earthly Israel and the New Testament Church—complete with separate timelines, separate promises, and multiple physical resurrections. By doing this, you do not realize that you are slicing the singular, organic Body of Christ in half and creating a monstrous theology with one Head and two separate bodies.
Scripture utterly demolishes this carnal division. The moment you look at the mechanics of the resurrection, the dispensational chart collapses.
In John 11:24, when Martha looks forward to her brother’s resurrection, she references the standard covenantal hope: "I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day." Lazarus was historically and technically an Old Testament saint, living and dying before the New Covenant was formally ratified by Christ’s blood (Matt 26:28). Yet how does Jesus correct her? He doesn't say, "Lazarus is part of an earthly Israel timeline distinct from My future Church." He declares: "I am the resurrection, and the life."
Jesus re-centers the entire hope of the Old Testament Fathers directly upon His own person and finished work. Physical resurrection is not a generic end-times event; it is a Covenant legal right that flows exclusively from vital union with Jesus Christ.
Look at the absolute mathematical symmetry Paul lays down in 1 Corinthians 15:20-23. Christ is risen from the dead and become the "firstfruits of them that slept." In Old Testament law, the firstfruits wave-offering was not merely a chronological marker; it was the legal consecration and guarantee of the entire identical harvest.
Paul ties this exact reality to the Old Testament saints. In Acts 26:6-8 and Acts 13:32-33, Paul explicitly states that the "promise made unto the fathers" and the hope of the "twelve tribes" was completely fulfilled when God raised up Jesus.
Here is the inescapable legal logic that your fragmented dispensational timeline cannot survive: If the resurrection of the Old Testament Fathers is legally bound up in, guaranteed by, and a part of the exact same "firstfruits" harvest as Christ’s resurrection, then the Old Testament saints are structurally and organically part of the Body of Christ—the Church.
A head cannot have two separate, fragmented bodies. There is only one Head and therefore one Harvest.
Your complex charts inventing secret raptures, seven-year gaps, and thousand-year intervals between resurrections are completely exposed by the text. When Christ, the Firstfruits, returns at the literal Last Day, the singular, complete, global harvest of the elect—stretching from Adam and Abraham to the very last regenerated Gentile—will be physically raised together in Phase V (Glorification)
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Change your charts or deny the texts, but you cannot have both. 6
No, we see the two different "peoples" still being divided by people like you who refuse to accept the fact that Israel and the Children of the Promise will be brought back into the New Covenant. Paul lays it out for you.
Paul told you here:
Romans 11:7-12
7 So this is the situation: Most of the Jews have not found the favor of God they are looking for. A few have—the ones God has picked out—but the eyes of the others have been blinded. 8 This is what our Scriptures refer to when they say that God has put them to sleep, shutting their eyes and ears so that they do not understand what we are talking about when we tell them of Christ. And so it is to this very day.
9 King David spoke of this same thing when he said, “Let their good food and other blessings trap them into thinking all is well between themselves and God. Let these good things boomerang on them and fall back upon their heads to justly crush them. 10 Let their eyes be dim,” he said, “so that they cannot see, and let them walk bent-backed forever with a heavy load.”
11 Does this mean that God has rejected his Jewish people forever? Of course not! His purpose was to make his salvation available to the Gentiles, and then the Jews would be jealous and begin to want God’s salvation for themselves. 12 Now if the whole world became rich as a result of God’s offer of salvation, when the Jews stumbled over it and turned it down, think how much greater a blessing the world will share in later on when the Jews, too, come to Christ.
And Paul told you again here in Romans 11:25-27
25 I want you to know about this truth from God, dear brothers, so that you will not feel proud and start bragging. Yes, it is true that some of the Jews have set themselves against the Gospel now, but this will last only until all of you Gentiles have come to Christ—those of you who will. 26 And then all Israel will be saved. Do you remember what the prophets said about this? “There shall come out of Zion a Deliverer, and he shall turn the Jews from all ungodliness. 27 At that time I will take away their sins, just as I promised.”
Jeremiah 31:31-37
31 The day will come, says the Lord, when I will make a new contract with the people of Israel and Judah. 32 It won’t be like the one I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt—a contract they broke, forcing me to reject them, says the Lord. 33 But this is the new contract I will make with them: I will inscribe my laws upon their hearts, so that they shall want to honor me; then they shall truly be my people and I will be their God. 34 At that time it will no longer be necessary to admonish one another to know the Lord. For everyone, both great and small, shall really know me then, says the Lord, and I will forgive and forget their sins.
35 The Lord who gives us sunlight in the daytime and the moon and stars to light the night, and who stirs the sea to make the roaring waves—his name is Lord Almighty—says this: 36 I am as likely to reject my people Israel as I am to do away with these laws of nature! 37 Not until the heavens can be measured and the foundations of the earth explored, will I consider casting them away forever for their sins!
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Personally, I'm not sure you understand who the ONE HEAD is.
Isaiah 44:6 - Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
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Revelation1v8,
You are quoting Romans 11 and Jeremiah 31 as though they prove two distinct covenant peoples, but neither passage says that Israel and the Church have separate saving inheritances in Christ. You are relying on modernized, paraphrased translations that strip these texts of their exact covenantal keywords to prop up a fractured dispensational timeline.
I do not deny that God has not cast away His people, that a remnant is according to the election of grace, or that God is able to bring unbelieving Jews to faith in Christ. The question is whether that means Israel and the Church remain two separate peoples of God, with distinct covenant identities and promises. Paul's teaching about the New Covenant and the inclusion of the Gentiles points in the opposite direction.
Let’s apply strict covenantal math and see how your own texts dismantle your dispensational timeline:
1. Romans 11 does not teach two separate bodies
You quote Romans 11:25–27:
Let's grant for the sake of discussion that “all Israel” here refers to a widespread conversion of ethnic Jews. How would that establish two separate peoples of God? They would still have to be saved through the same Deliverer, the same covenant mercy, and the same removal of sins through Christ. Paul does not say that Jewish believers will form a second Body of Christ or receive salvation through a separate covenant.
Indeed, Paul warns Gentile believers against boasting over the Jewish branches because they share in the same olive tree.
Notice Paul's picture: one olive tree. Gentile believers are grafted into it; they do not receive an independent tree with a separate root and separate saving promises. Paul's imagery emphasizes absolute continuity in God's saving purpose, even while distinguishing believing Gentiles, believing Jews, and unbelieving branches. There are not two trees. There are not two peoples. There is only one tree, one root, and one sap.
The great High-Calvinist theologian John Gill masterfully notes in his commentary on Romans 11:26 that this unified body is the true definition of "All Israel":
2. The New Covenant creates one people who know God
You quote Jeremiah 31:33:
God promised a New Covenant in which He would write His law in the hearts of His people and forgive their sins. This is the exact mechanical execution of Phase III (The Vital Phase: Regeneration). But where does Jeremiah say that Gentile believers in Christ are excluded from this covenant?
The New Testament explicitly applies these exact New Covenant promises to Christ's international people. Christ says:
And Paul says of believing Gentiles:
That is the point you must address. Paul does not describe Gentiles as receiving a lesser salvation or belonging to a separate covenant body. He calls them fellowheirs, of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ. If the New Covenant belongs to a future, earthly ethnic nation separate from the Church, then the Church has no covenant, no blood of Christ, and no law written on her heart!
John Gill explicitly exposes this error in his exposition of Jeremiah 31:31, proving that the target of the covenant designs the whole elect of God, both Jews and Gentiles, who are made one spiritual house under Christ.
3. Paul already explains how people who were not God's people become His people
Consider Romans 9:24–26. Paul says God called His people:
Then he applies Hosea's prophecy:
Paul applies this prophetic language to God's calling of both Jews and Gentiles. Hosea originally spoke of God casting off unfaithful, ethnic Israel (Lo-Ammi = "not my people"). Paul takes that exact language and says it is fulfilled when the Gentiles are called by Grace via the Effectual Call (Phase III).
The New Covenant promise, “I will be their God, and they shall be my people,” is not a basis for excluding Gentile believers. The apostle demonstrates that God's saving purpose reaches people who formerly were not called His people. As Peter says to international believers:
4. Jeremiah's promise of Israel's preservation does not prove two bodies
You quote Jeremiah 31:35–37, where God compares the continuance of Israel with the enduring order of creation. I do not deny God's faithfulness to His promises, nor do I deny that ethnic Israel has a real historical identity. But God's faithfulness to Israel does not establish that Israel and the Church must remain two separate covenant bodies.
Paul has already shattered the idea that physical lineage automatically equals covenant membership:
He distinguishes physical descent (Israel after the flesh, 1 Cor 10:18) from the people identified according to God's promise and calling (Israel after the Spirit). He also says:
The remnant is not saved by a separate covenant or a different Messiah. It is saved according to grace. So even if you understand Romans 11 as promising a future large-scale turning of ethnic Jews to Christ, that would mean Jews being brought to the same Savior—not the establishment of a second Body alongside Christ's Church.
5. Ephesians 2 directly addresses the division you are defending
Paul says Christ:
And that He might:
Then:
This is not my terminology being imposed on Scripture. Paul explicitly says both are made one, one new man, and reconciled in one body. The cross (Phase II: The Legal Phase) does not establish two redeemed bodies with separate saving destinies. It reconciles believing Jews and Gentiles to God in one body. That is why I reject the claim that the Church is a separate people with a separate saving inheritance from God's covenant people Israel.
The Bottom Line
I am not arguing that every ethnic Israelite is automatically saved, or that ethnic Israel has no continuing historical significance. I am arguing that God's saving purpose culminates in Christ, and that believing Jews and Gentiles share in one redeemed people.
- Romans 11 teaches God's faithfulness, the election of grace, and the expectation of Jewish conversion.
- Jeremiah 31 teaches the New Covenant promise.
- Ephesians 2–3 explains the unity of believing Jews and Gentiles under Christ.
If you believe Romans 11 establishes two distinct covenant peoples, show me the single verse where Paul says that those Jews who come to Christ will belong to a separate body rather than being joined to the one people of God in Christ. You cannot, because the grammar and the covenant have spoken.
Your problem is that you're not looking at the bigger picture.
While we are all CURRENTLY considered one in Jesus Christ SPIRITUALLY, it has not reached its FULL consummation yet and won't until everything that's been prophesied on earth happens and God/Jesus carries us into the New Jerusalem/Heaven. That's WHEN we'll see everyone physically & literally becoming one true body living together in eternal peace. When God becomes "all in all" like 1 Corinthians 15:28 says. But Jesus has to reign over the earth until He places ALL of His enemies under His feet. That won't happen until after the Millennial Kingdom period is over and God/Jesus throws Satan, Hell, and Death into the Lake of Fire like Revelation 20 tells you.
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Revelation1v8, I understand who the one Head is. The question is whether you recognize what Scripture says about His Body.
I agree with Isaiah 44:6:
There is only one true God. But how does that verse refute my statement that Christ has one Body rather than two separate, fragmented bodies?
The New Testament explicitly identifies Christ as the Head of the Church:
Notice what Paul says: Christ is the Head, and the Church is His Body.
And Ephesians 1:22–23 says God gave Christ:
Paul does not describe Christ as having one Body for Israel and another Body for the Church.
He says Christ is the Head of the Body, the Church.
Furthermore, Ephesians 2:14–16 declares that Christ made believing Jews and Gentiles one:
And:
There is the very point I am making: both reconciled to God in one Body through the cross.
I am not denying Israel's historical identity, nor am I denying that God can bring ethnic Jews to faith in Christ. The question is whether those who come to Christ are saved into a separate body with a separate Headship or brought into the one redeemed Body of Christ.
Paul answers:
And:
One Body. One Spirit. One hope. One Lord.
So I ask you again: if Christ is the Head of His Church, and believing Jews and Gentiles are reconciled in one Body, where does Scripture teach that God has two separate redeemed bodies under Christ—one earthly and one heavenly—with separate saving inheritances?
Isaiah 44:6 establishes that there is one God. Colossians 1:18 and Ephesians 1:22–23 establish that Christ is the Head of the Church. Ephesians 2:14–16 establishes that believing Jews and Gentiles are reconciled in one Body.
My argument is not merely that there is one Head. It is that Scripture explicitly identifies one Body belonging to that Head.
I'll answer you the same way I did last time.
Jesus Christ is head of the current church SPIRITUALLY. That's why we have the Holy Spirit residing in us as His temple until we eventually all get to Heaven, where there is no need for a temple, like Revelation 21 & 22 tells you. It's a SPIRTUAL body of believers until it is consummated into the physical.
The Bible tells you that when Jesus returns to earth, that He will pour out His Spirit one last time on the nation of Israel to get them to understand. God/Jesus will use them as a witness to the other nations during the Millennial Kingdom period, but it's still not over yet.
- Joel 2:28-29: "And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see visions. Even on the male and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit."
- Isaiah 32:15: "until the Spirit is poured upon us from on high, and the wilderness becomes a fruitful field, and the fruitful field is deemed a forest."
- Isaiah 44:3: "For I will pour water on the thirsty land, and streams on the dry ground; I will pour out my Spirit on your offspring, and my blessing on your descendants."
- Ezekiel 39:29: "And I will not hide my face anymore from them, when I pour out my Spirit upon the house of Israel, declares the Lord God."
- Zechariah 12:10: "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.
Once the Millennial Kingdom period is over, and everyone has been introduced to God/Jesus, He will judge everyone for the last time at the Great White Throne Judgement and take us all to Heaven to become "all in all" with God/Jesus face-to-face like 1 Corinthians 15:28 shows you.
But between the Millennial Kingdom period on earth and the Eternal State of Heaven, God/Jesus has to throw Satan, Death, and Hell into the Lake of Fire, which hasn't happened yet. Once He does, then you'll see the FULL PHYSICAL BODY come into view.
When you read the Bible, God/Jesus' EARTHLY kingdom doesn't end with just the Holy Spirit. It all ends when we all came face-to-face with God in our resurrected bodies and we're all living in the PERMANENT state of HEAVEN.
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