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Obedience is not difficult to embrace for me, but it's difficult for you or anyone to control, so why bother
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Obedience is not difficult to embrace for me, but it's difficult for you or anyone to control, so why bother
Choosing is a work done for salvation.
Choosing not to believe is a work done for destruction.
Our choices guide our actions.
If one wants to be found innocent on the day of judgement, he will choose to keep himself free from the lusts of the "flesh".
You seem to believe that the "starting gun" is the end of the race.
Thank God we have the choice to believe our past sins can be washed away at our "immersion" into Christ's death !
No man can remain true to his turn from sin, witout water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their past sins; as it is baptism that also destroys the old man and allows our resurrection with Christ to walk in newness of life/rebirth from God's seed.
So what ?
It isn't the works of the Law that Paul wrote against !
I would have thought that Paul would have known that when he baptized the twelve at Epesus.
But he did water baptize them, AND laid hands on them so they would receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Two different baptisms in the period of just a few minutes !
True, so what seed are the disobedient 'born of' ?
Not God's.
Thanks be to God that we are no longer under the Mosaic Law's hundreds of edicts, and have but two commanments to obey.Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
Philippians 3:9 - and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith.
In regard to 1 John 3:6, in Greek, the verb tense for "sinning" is in the present continuous tense, which means to keep on or practicing sin an ongoing lifestyle of sin and not mere occasional acts of sin. This does not mean that Christians achieve sinless perfection as John earlier notes in 1 John 1:8-10. If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us and if we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
1 John 3:6 (AMP) - No one who abides in Him [who remains united in fellowship with Him—deliberately, knowingly, and habitually] practices sin. No one who habitually sins has seen Him or known Him.
In regard to 1 John 3:7, those who practice righteousness do so BECAUSE they are righteous and not in order to become righteous. This is not our own personal righteousness but the righteousness which is of God by faith/imputed righteousness. Practicing righteousness is the demonstrative evidence that we are children of God. (1 John 3:10)
1 John 3:7-10.
The Mosaic Law also covers the moral aspect of the law which includes good works. (Leviticus 19:18; Deuteronomy 6:5; Matthew 22:37-40; James 2:15-16) So, not saved by works is not exclusive only to specific works of the law but also includes works in general. Abraham was before the law and the work of offering up his son on the altar did not cause him to be accounted as righteous. (Romans 4:2-3) Paul also said we are not saved by works of righteousness (literally works done in righteousness) which we have done but according to His mercy He saved us.. and in 2 Timothy 1:9, Paul said that He saved us and called us with a holy calling not according to our works.. Sorry to burst your bubble but there will be no boasting for you.
Salvation and good works are impossible without the grace of God. (Ephesians 2:8-10)
Romans 11:6 - But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.
2 Timothy 1:9 - who has saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity.
Lack of obedience manifests a lack of connection to God's seed.
I thank God for all the blocks laid on top of the corner stone, as well as for the corner stone Himself.
Jesus died for my past sins, and was raised from the dead three days later.
THAT is the gospel.
Everything else we have been tought is in addition to the gospel.
I learned I must stay true to my Savior.
What have you been taught that annuls that understanding ?
Perhaps you are right.
He wrote...“Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.” (Rom. 6:6-7)
"Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness." (Rom 6:18)
"But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life." (Rom 6:22)
How awful it must seem to them to read that we are servants of anything.
Here's another bit of wisdom from Paul..."Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity." (2 Tim 2:19)
More work !
Because our behavior IS controllable !I appreciate the welcome, and I don't mind questions. I also don't mind sharing my faith,
Obedience is not difficult to embrace for me, but it's difficult for you or anyone to control, so why bother
In Christ, all things are possible; including righteous living.
They refuse to acknowledge that after having been born again the Lord has ordained that we walk in good works!
Ephesians 2:10 - For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
That's a divine assignment from the Lord and He's given us His Word and His Spirit to enable us to walk in agreement with Him (spiritually minded) and stop walking in agreement with the devil (carnally minded).
1 John 3:7 - Little children, let no man deceive you: he that DOES righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
James 1:22 - But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
You mean you can rule over sin,
But even cain was told he could rule over sin.
Behaviour and obedience kind of the same thing but obedience requires your action, so I'm asking why bother to try and control another person's actions
Romans 8:13,14 - For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
1 John 5:18 - We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1 Corinthians 15:34 - Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
1 John 1:7 - But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
Galatians 5:16 - Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Galatians 5:24 - they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Catholics also use the word if a lot but don't see the meaning
Here it is
But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
This is a believer remembering the difference when he walked with the light
Yes, though better said is Jesus inme can rule over sin.
Got the verse for that ?
I keep bilegateway.com in the bar above the screen, for quick reference.
Yes.
We can't control the actions of others, but we have been given the task of showing them they can control themselves, with the Lord's help.
Those walking in love would seek to help others understand this.
Those not walking in love could care less whether anybody goes to hell or not so they say nothing.
Why would this apply to believers ?
Most people who preach eternal security all seem grounded in the word to me.
I would be careful if I was you.
Encouraging kids on the milk is a good thing but equally encouraging them wisely is really something for mature believers,
May I ask are you qualified
I believe it's in genesis 4:7
So do you know about a relationship with the father before the son ?
Because of what the Lord says in His Word, that's why
Ephesians 2:10 - For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
That's a divine assignment from the Lord and He's given us His Word and His Spirit to enable us to walk in agrement with Him.
1 John 3:7 - Little children, let no man deceive you: he that DOES righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
James 1:22 - But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Those teaching eternal security must reject portions of scripture in order to continue in their eisegesis
(that's a polite way of saying these people are cherry pickers who reject the whole counsel of the Lord)
He's on the right track looking at the whole counsel of the Lord unlike the fake grace teachers.
Actually those teaching eternal security are drinking the cup of devils and are only qualified to lead people away from the Lord which is what tares seek to do and it's so sad that some of these people have no idea who they are working for. Others know they are in error and continue therein in order to enrich themselves and to remain popular.
Doing right leads to acceptance,
It's that simple.
It's simple really and not so difficult to understand,.at least it shouldn't be for believers, but I wonder can you accept that the son can only accept you once you have accepted his father also.
Have you accepted this
I wouldn't be a Christian if I didn't.
The thing to know about the Lord is He cannot and does not accept workers of iniquity.
Have you accepted this?
This is why He has warnings in His Word letting people know they must depart from iniquity and abide in Christ and those not doing so will be removed from His Kingdom.
This is why the enemy is pushing eternal security teaching so hard is because he knows a lot of people will stand flowing with the world in iniquity thinking they are still saved on their way to Heaven when they are not.
I should probably inform you that extreme Catholics also attack grace Alot to