Got people over in this thread saying christians can be gay and still be saved. It's nuts!
https://christianchat.com/threads/future-sins.225166
https://christianchat.com/threads/future-sins.225166
Shall we sin that grace may abound?
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As it is written..."What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" (Rom 6:1-2)
It seems many are unaware of how to be dead to sin.
Have you asked that those who are Christians can be gay believe that those who are actually having sexual relationship?
I know Christian believers who say they are gay( attraction to same sex) but do not have a sexual relationship.
Maybe clarify Christians can be gay meaning for you
All the more reason to point people to God's Word. His Word should be the deciding factor.
Nobody said you are required to follow any man as though they are your Lord and Savior regardless of whether they are on the internet or the pastor of your local church.
No argument on that at all seeing the new testament does not instruct Christians to observe Saturday sabbath and it does not say not doing so is a sin and those not doing so will go to hell.
All that's left on that topic is to warn others to stay clear of the sabbatraians who are trying to get Christians to be under portions of the law of Moses which is they do then they would fall from grace like the Galatians did as we see in the Book of Galatians
As noted in the scripture reference you have provided - we are going to have to judge doctrine to make sure no man is putting a tumbling block in front of other Christians as the fake grace people are doing.
1 Corinthians 5:11-13
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Jesus tells us to judge righteously
John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
The only way to judge righteously is to compare what people do and say to what God's Word teaches.
He also warns that we will be judged with the judgement that we judge with (reap what we sow - Gal 6:7,8)
Matthew 7:2
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
So, if someone is believing or doing something that is obviously in opposition to what God's Word teaches... it's not "judging" them to point out what they believe or do is in opposition to what God's Word teaches
By the same token, we should apply God's Word to ourselves and we should actually judge ourselves
1 Corinthians 11:31
For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
The purpose of this is to submit ourselves to the Lord so that He does not have to judge us as spoken of in 1 Corinthians 11:32.... the Lord would much rather have us come to Him in submission and ask / believe for His leading / teaching so we can keep ourselves on the path that leads to life and not get off on the path that leads to death (separation from God)
Jesus and the Apostles all has cone contentious discussions so it's not out of the ordinary for this to happen when people don't agree with one another.
Jesus said that if a man looks at a woman to lust after her, he has already committed adultery with her in his heart (Matthew 5:28). This lets us know that lustful thoughts are considered sinful, not just the physical act of adultery.
So for someone to still have sexual lust for anybody, it is a sin unless it's a marriage between one man and one woman as the Lord teaches is right in His eyes in His Word.
So the so called gay christians still lusting sexually won't be allowed to enter in to God's Kingdom just like the old pervert men who sit around watching and lusting after women watching porn. It's still grievous sin before the Lord.
Yes and churches are not teaching people correctly leading to this sorta thing.
Being gay is a sin according to the bible.
God did not make anybody gay, but the god of this world sure did.
That would be the devil of course.
So if a genuine beliver is attracted to the same sex yet does not and will not have a relationship because he knows that it is not of God are they gay as per your quote above?
If so then what.
Clarify what you mean by gay, a previous person didn't and just spouted the Bible.
A person can experience same-sex attraction without acting on it, just as a person can experience other temptations without acting on them. The real question is whether "gay" is being used to describe a temptation someone experiences or a lifestyle and identity they embrace, because those are two very different things.
A believer can be tempted in many ways yet not yield to that temptation. If they yield to it, then they are in sin. But if they don't they are not. Lumping attraction, temptation, identity, and behavior into one category only creates confusion. The real issue is not what temptation a person experiences, but whether they submit to it or submit to God.
It is sad too, especially when being dead to sin is perfectly described in Romans 6:3-7.
Gal 5:24 offers insite too.
You should be more interested in what the Lord says on this topic in His Word rather than what people think.
You should ask people what they believe rather than accuse them of what you think they believe.
Let God be true and every man a liar.
People not going by what God says is being gay are liars since they don't accept what the Lord says on the topic.
FYI, there's no such thing as a "gay Christian"
You don't have the guts to answer my questions.
God said that practices of homosexuality is wrong.
Those believers who have same sex attractions but do not practice it according to you are gay and going to hell.
Shame and you are the liar
You said "You should ask people what they believe rather than accuse them of what you think they believe"
I said "People not going by what God says is being gay are liars since they don't accept what the Lord says on the topic"
You're the one lacking guts in this conversation, not me.
In Matthew Jesus tells us that if you look at a woman with lust, you have already committed adultery in your heart.
Since homosexuality is a sin, then having the desire for gayness is a sin just like the guy lusting after a woman is sin even though the actual act isn't being done. These people need to treat the desire for gayness the same as any other sin and cast down imaginations and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God.
The shame is on you for not knowing what the Lord teaches and for being all gay friendly which is supporting iniquity
Do you attend a church that is gay friendly? It sounds like it since you advocate for people to be able to desire their gayness rather than being born again where old things are passed away as the Lord teaches in His Word.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.