The rise of the Antichrist and the last 7 years.

[peterT]

The rise of the Antichrist and the last 7 years.

Paul called him the man of sin.

John called him the wicked one

Jesus called him the prince of this world.

Daniel called him prince.

Daniel9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined
Daniel 9:27 And HE shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week (7 years) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Some Christians would have you believe that this is talking about the covenant with Abraham and (HE) in Daniel 9:27 is not the Antichrist its Jesus, and in the middle of the week its Jesus that sets up the abomination of desolation.

There is no evidence in the Bible that the Jesus ever confirmed any covenant for a time period of seven years.

Some Christians would have you believe that there is no great tribulation for the last three and a half years, there is no great tribulation for 1260 day, and there is no great tribulation for 42 months, and there is no great tribulation for a time times and ½ of time.Rv11. Rv12. Rv13.

According the laws of the lands and on this website they are aloud there opinion and we are aloud are opinion too.
They my say you are wilfully blind and that we love are doctrine more than we love truth, but it’s just that we love sound doctrine more than there doctrine.

There words remind me of the counsel that some of us will be brought before in the latter days “is not the Antichrist its Jesus” J

Jesus tells us what to look for about the end of the world and his coming and when the great tribulation will begin in Matt 24

15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place,
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

But Some Christians would have you believe that this is fulfilled even tho it’s taking about the end of the world and Jesus’s coming.

Matt24;3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Daniel 9:27 And HE shall confirm the covenant with many for one week

To support or establish. HE confirms with others the covenant with many for one week. “7 years”

Some Christians say that it’s a peace agreement between Israel and Palestinians. I have heard this since the 70s

There is no evidence in the Bible that the Jesus ever confirmed any covenant for a time period of seven years.

Stand firm keep your faith for in the end they will not endure sound doctrine.

“is not the Antichrist its Jesus” J . This is going to be a very popular saying one day soon.

 

[notIbutChrist]

There is no such thing as a 7yrs tribulation taught in scripture. The bible clearly states the anti christ rule will be 42 months

 

[peterT]

There is no such thing as a 7yrs tribulation taught in scripture.

Who said anything about a 7 year tribulation

The bible clearly states the anti christ rule will be 42 months

yes 42 months, 3/12 years

 

[peterT]

There is no such thing as a 7yrs tribulation taught in scripture. The bible clearly states the anti christ rule will be 42 months

You must NOT have read the Post but just commented

 

[Laodicea]

The rise of the Antichrist and the last 7 years.

Paul called him the man of sin.

John called him the wicked one

Jesus called him the prince of this world.

Daniel called him prince.

Some Christians would have you believe that there is no great tribulation for the last three and a half years, there is no great tribulation for 1260 day, and there is no great tribulation for 42 months, and there is no great tribulation for a time times and ½ of time.Rv11. Rv12. Rv13.

So do you see the 1260 days and the 42 months as being the same time period?

The Bible says the Antichrist was already working in the early church
2 Thessalonians 2:7
(7) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
1 John 4:3
(3) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

So is it better to believe the Bible or someone who says the antichrist is future?

 

[anonymous04]

Well I posted a study on the how the days in revelations actually mean years. But your correct Lao we must look at the word of God not our own thoughts.

 

[journey41]

So do you see the 1260 days and the 42 months as being the same time period?

The 1260 days are the amount of days the 2 witnessess will be preaching for in Jerusalem. FUTURE.

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnessess, and they shall prophesy a thousand, two hundred and three score days, clothed in sackcloth.

The Bible says the Antichrist was already working in the early church
2 Thessalonians 2:7
(7) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
1 John 4:3
(3) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

The spirit of the antichrist. Not THE ANTICHRIST. Those against Christ have the spirit of antichrist. Same spirit however, but not a person.

God never mentions the False Prophet as THE ANTICHRIST. This is error.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he decieved them that had recieved the mark of the beast, and them that worship his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that decieved them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever.


The false prophet is also mentioned as The Son of Perdition"
2 Thess 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,


2 Thess 2:4 Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, all that is worshiped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.


2 Thess 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?


2 Thess 2:6 And you know now what withholdeth that HE might be revealed in his time. (Gods time)


2 Thess 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: Only he who now letteth will let, until HE be taken out of the way.


2 Thess 2:8 And THEN shall THAT Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of HIS COMING (2nd coming)


2 Thess 2:9 Even HIM, whose coming is after the working of Satan, with all power and signs and lying wonders.


2 Thess 2:10 And with all decievableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they recieved not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.


2 Thess 2:11 And for this cause God shall send THEM strong delusion, that they should believe a lie;


2 Thess 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

So is it better to believe the Bible or someone who says the antichrist is future?

1John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God; and this is that spirit of Antichrist, whereof you have heard that it should come; and even now is it in the world.


Did you notice that EVERY SPIRIT that denies Christ is that ANTICHRIST....

• 1John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

• 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

• 1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

• 2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
  

So we see that ANTICHRIST is not an individual, but many who share that same spirit of denial.


The false prophet and Antichrist are not the same subject.

 

[journey41]

So do you see the 1260 days and the 42 months as being the same time period?

So, the 1260 days are the two witness preaching in Jerusalem, during the 42 month reign of the False prophet IN Jerusalem. So yes, they will both be there at the same time.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not, for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.


There's the 42 months......IN ISRAEL.


Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was apon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth forever that it shall be for a time, times, and a half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.


Again, same period.......Future

 

[zone]

There is no evidence in the Bible that the Jesus ever confirmed any covenant for a time period of seven years.

why not put down your dime store prophecy books and read the Bible?
if he didn't fulfill Daniel 9 you have No Saviour and you are still dead in your sins.

 

[Laodicea]

So, the 1260 days are the two witness preaching in Jerusalem, during the 42 month reign of the False prophet IN Jerusalem. So yes, they will both be there at the same time.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not, for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.


There's the 42 months......IN ISRAEL.


Daniel 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was apon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth forever that it shall be for a time, times, and a half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.


Again, same period.......Future

Since you answered yes then you have a problem cause 1260 literal days is not 42 literal months

 

[anonymous04]

Here is a study about the day to year principal that was given to me... http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/33531-study-year-day-principle.html .... I've found this to be true because almost of Revelations has been fufilled from my understanding from discussion and speaking is that we are living in the time of the 7th church which is Laodicea meaning judgement. The only thing left now untill the Antichrist comes to power is the rapture. The study matched up with the time frame of the surrendering of control of the Roman Empire to the Papacy as an example in history.

 

[anonymous04]

I'll post it for you here as well I didn't change the link so ya may not notice it's a URL click. But here is the study.......


Reasons for applying the year/day principle
Reason # 1:
The expressions “time, times and the dividing of time”, “42 months”, “1260 days”, and
“70 weeks”, are very peculiar. They could have been expressed in literal language but
instead they are given a symbolic flavor. Notice, for example, that Luke 4:25 and
James 5:17 refer to the period when there was no rain in the days of Elijah as “three
years and six months”. This is the normal way of expressing time (see also, Acts 18:11;
II Samuel 2:11; I Samuel 27:7).It is significant that every measurement of time in
prophecy is given a symbolic flavor: hour (Revelation 17:12; 9:13), day (Revelation
12:6), week (Daniel 9:2427),
month (Revelation 13:5), year (Daniel 7:25). It is also
significant that nonapocalyptic
prophecies express time in literal language: 70 years
(Jeremiah 25:1112),
400 years (Genesis 15:1315),
120 years (Genesis 6:3) with literal
persons performing literal actions!
Reason # 2:
The symbolic time periods are always found within the context of apocalyptic passages
where symbols predominate. For example, the three and one half times are found in
the context of four symbolic beasts, a symbolic sea, symbolic winds, symbolic clouds,
symbolic horns, and a symbolic little horn. Similarly, the 1260 days are found in a
context where a symbolic woman, clothed with a symbolic sun, stands on a symbolic
moon, with 12 symbolic stars on her head. She is persecuted by a symbolic dragon
who has seven symbolic heads, ten symbolic horns and who casts a third of the
symbolic stars to the earth.
In Revelation 13, the 42 months are found within a context where a symbolic
composite beast, with ten symbolic horns, receives its power from a symbolic dragon.
It also arises from a symbolic sea and later uses a symbolic image beast to impose a
symbolic mark! The same could be said about Daniel 8. There we have a symbolic
ram, a symbolic hegoat,
and a symbolic little horn. It only stands to reason that if the
scenes where these time periods are found in are symbolic, then the time periods must
also be symbolic!!
Reason # 3:
The little horn of Daniel 7 arose among the ten horns on the head of the fourth beast
(Rome). It is clear from history that the Roman empire was fragmented when the
barbarians came from the northern sector of the empire and carved it up. Daniel 7
makes it clear that there are no gaps in the historical flow of nations. The lion is
succeeded immediately by the bear, the bear is immediately succeeded by the
leopard, the leopard is immediately succeeded by the dragon beast, the dragon beast
then sprouts the ten horns and the little horn then arises among the ten. Now, if the
little horn arose among the ten and the ten were complete in 476 A. D., and the little
horn ruled until the judgment (in 1844), then the three and one half times of dominion
of the little horn must be 1260 years, and not literal days. If the days were literal, then
the little horn would have ruled only from 476479
A. D. But the fact is that the Roman
Catholic Church ruled for 1260 years!!
Reason # 4:
The vision of Daniel 8:12
covers the whole period of the ram, the hegoat,
the little
horn until the cleansing of the sanctuary. In Daniel 8:13 the question is asked: “Until
when shall the vision be?” The context indicates that the word vision includes the
totality of what Daniel has seen in Daniel 8 to that point. Then, in Daniel 8:15 we are
told that Daniel wished to comprehend the vision. The question is which vision? The
answer is simple: It must be the totality of the vision of Daniel 8 because when the
Angel Gabriel comes to explain the vision in answer to Daniel’s request, he begins with
Persia and then continues with Greece, the little horn, and culminates with the
conclusion of the 2300 days when the sanctuary is to be cleansed.
Thus it is clear that the 2300 days which cover the whole vision of Daniel 8 must
involve CENTURIES and not literal days, (that is, six and one half literal years).
Incidentally, this explains the reason why Daniel 8 begins with Persia and not with
Babylon. The 2300 days begin when Persia gives the decree to restore and build
Jerusalem and that is why the vision begins with Persia. Thus, Daniel 8 and 9 must be
connected in order to comprehend the 2300 day prophecy.
Notice the following illustration:
Vision = Ram + Hegoat
+ Pagan Rome + Papal Rome + Judgment
How Long? 2300 Days/Years
Reason # 5:
In the historical books of the Old Testament, days and years are used in a parallel
fashion. Notice the following illustrations:
. Exodus 13:10 reads literally in Hebrew that the Passover was to be celebrated
“from days to days”. Obviously this means from year to year.
. I Samuel 20:6the
Hebrew literally reads “sacrifice of the days” but the context
clearly shows it refers to the yearly sacrifice.
. I Samuel 2:19 literally reads, “from days to days”
. I Samuel 1:21 literally reads, “sacrifice of the days”
. Judges 11:40 literally reads, “from days to days, four days each year”
. I Samuel 27:7 literally reads, “days and four months”
. I Kings 1:1 says that David was stricken “in days” but it means “years”.
. Genesis 47:9 is an interesting verse in that Jacob speaks of “the days of my
years”
. Genesis 5:5 states that the days that Adam lived were 930 years.
. Genesis 6:3 is the first time prophecy in the Bible where days are linked with
years.
In Old Testament poetry, days and years are employed in synonymous parallelism.
Please notice the following examples: Job 10:5; 15:20; 32:7; Deuteronomy 32:7;
Psalm77:5.
A very interesting text is Psalm 90:910
where the translation, “years of our lives”
literally reads in Hebrew, “the days of our years”. In every place where the Old
Testament couples days with years, the word “day” is in the “A” line and the word
“year” is in the “B” line. Regarding this, the Old Testament scholar, William Shea
comments:
“When we come to the occurrence of the word ‘days’ in the time prophecies, therefore,
an ancient Semite whose mind was steeped in this parallelistic type of thought would
naturally have made an association of ‘years’ with the ‘days’ found in a symbolic
context, just as he naturally would have identified ‘years’ as the Bword
that would
follow the Aword
‘days’ in its occurrence as part of a wellknown
parallel pair.”
(William H. Shea, Selected Studies in Prophetic Interpretation, p. 69).
We noted that the pope was taken prisoner in 1798 near the end of the French
Revolution. It was a time of struggle for freedom from oppression by the monarchy and
by the church which worked to support it. This clear low point marks the end of more
than a thousand years of church dominance. Recalling that the 1260 prophetic days
represent 1260 literal years, we ask more about what event(s) in 538 started that
period.
The siege of Rome began in 537. The Gothic army which surrounded the city cut
aqueducts among other things. Food was scarce for both those inside the city and
those outside. To draw the Goths away from Rome, an army was sent to the Gothic
capital and took it. The Goths retreated. "Thus the siege of Rome, which had lasted for
a year and nine days, came to an end about the middle of March, A.D. 538."

 

[anonymous04]

And you'll notice how this matches up in history and the bible mentions many times how the Antichrist was already at work as Jesus proclaiming many times the Kingdom of Heaven is near change your hearts and lives. Understand that Jesus was God in the flesh but you have to also understand that he was a Human Prophet as well. A prophet is not only a person whom God speaks to tell of things to come but they are also sent to warn us of the things to come. But also remember.
Acts 13:40
International Standard Version (©2008)
So be careful that what the prophets said does not happen to you

A bit off subject but that verse to me proves what i'm saying as well as if you know the story of Jonah the city was not destroyed...did that make him a false prophet? no.

 

[journey41]

Since you answered yes then you have a problem cause 1260 literal days is not 42 literal months

Of course. 30 days short. The two witnessesses will show their face and preach during the 3 1/2 year occupation of Israel.

30 days after the occupation starts or 30 days before it starts, I dont know?

.... but either way, they will be there in Israel during that last 3 1/2 years. Because when they are killed, and everybody cellebrates their death, their dead bodies will come back to life after 3 1/2 days and the world will see and then the great earthquake takes place, right before Christ returns.

So same time period.
Nothing contradictory here.

 

[journey41]

Here is a study about the day to year principal that was given to me... http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/33531-study-year-day-principle.html .... I've found this to be true because almost of Revelations has been fufilled from my understanding from discussion and speaking is that we are living in the time of the 7th church which is Laodicea meaning judgement. The only thing left now untill the Antichrist comes to power is the rapture. The study matched up with the time frame of the surrendering of control of the Roman Empire to the Papacy as an example in history.

[/QUOTE]Go back to the drawing board!

The black horse is riding now. The black horse represents shortages of food and high prices....This will get worse, wait and see. It will hit every nation.


We await the pale horse to come.

The pale horse is the false prophet and he persecutes the christians on a big scale. He performs signs and lying wonders and will make the world worship him.

He will issue a mark to everybody and if you refuse it, you cannot buy or sell. Christians who know the truth will not take this mark. This is how he kills christians. This is the big test for us. This has not happened yet, but we are prepared.

Believing the rapture will take place anyday now goes against the scriptures because we have to go through tribulation. Then the wrath of God comes on the false prophet's kingdom (the world under his rulership) those with the mark will endure the 7 trumpets, which are the 7 plagues. This wrath of God is on all the people who refused the truth and practised unrighteousness. The wrath is not for the christians, but for the unbelievers who killed and persecuted the christians.

God takes revenge for us! not on us. There will be some christians who will not be killed, God will spare them somehow. Either they will be in prison camps or in hiding, but the majority will be put to death.

Scary I know, but the truth, and if you know the truth you will be prepared for whatever comes, and this truth will save you because you will make the right decision and will recieve your reward....everlasting life

 

[ib4gzus]

There is no such thing as a 7yrs tribulation taught in scripture. The bible clearly states the anti christ rule will be 42 months

Daniel 9:27

one week is 7 years

 

[2knowhim]

I'm sorry but I've just got to say something here, it's no wonder theres so much confusion in the body today
with all this, you have got to be joking right, Don't you realize that the Two Witnesses of Revelation is
The Law and The Prophets, and walked this earth 2,000 yrs. ago, in the Lord Jesus Christ? He was and is
The embodyment of the Two Witnesses, and get this...... His ministry, was 3 half yrs. ah.... Don't you
understand? .... These things that yall are talking about WAS fullfilled IN HIM. He Himself told you HE came
to fullfill The Law and The Prophets , did He lie? Why do you continue to look for a future event? just like
the pharasees and the Religion of His day they expected Him to come in a different way ......And they missed it.

All things Have there fullfillment in Christ, He did it All.
The book of Revelation is NOT a future Book, It is ....THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST

Man made Doctrines, do nothing but divide and cause confusion, and you miss out on so much that He has done
already. Does anyone on here ever seek to know why they put the Crown of Thorns on Him?
have you ever asked why they Had to beat Him so?
why they parted His garments?
why He said the things He said on the Cross?

All the answers are IN Him, not in the future, with all these Hidious things yall are conjouring up in your carnal minds.
They are Spiritual. God is Spirit, we must Worship Him in Spirit, we live In The Spirit, etc....
Wake up people, These things are in Him, and by the way so is our LIFE Hidden IN HIM.

The kingdoms of this world are NOW become the kingdoms of our lord and HIS Christ.
FINISHED.

 

[iamsoandso]

well guess you wernt suppose to read my post "it dissapeared"

 

[iamsoandso]

an antichrist and the man of sin are two different things "man of sin is",,,,,,a great falling away,and then the man of sin revield ,,, if we obey god as a whole "that is the people of the country we live in" then as in the past he is our king,,,,,,"no king over you accept god" like he said to israel but if we disobey in to the kingdom of a wicked king you go.... into babylon,asseria,ect.ect. like he said so paul saw that as there became a great falling away,,,,, then the man of sin,,,"will rule over the people of the earth" and he will be wicked,,,,, the further the earth goes into wickedness,,, the next king,presadent,ruler over the countries will become more and more evil.
but one kingdom babylon will rule over all the kings of the earth and already does. if you put a piece of tape on your forhead everyone else can see it but you cant till you look at yourself in a mirror babylon has a name written on her forhead and she cannot see it so she doesent know she is babylon,,,,she thinks she's "great"

 

[iamsoandso]

the anti/replacement,,,,,,christ/mesiah,,,,,,,,,is "plural" ,,,,,many amoung us they not believing christ saved us on the cross try to figure out what to do to get saved,be saved.ect.