You're really going to tell PennEd that his own uncle lied to him about what he witnessed? THAT is what's TRULY DISPICABLE.
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You're really going to tell PennEd that his own uncle lied to him about what he witnessed? THAT is what's TRULY DISPICABLE.
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I'm not going to waste hours explaining to you again how events that were said to happen soon, did happen shortly thereafter, but the events described later on in the same chapter are talking about yet future events to come. Which is why the book of Revelation itself says this:
Revelation 1
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
And I'll remind you that John wrote the book of Revelation after the destruction of the second temple in 70 AD.
The end.
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Wrong this lie started to support dispensationalism has been refuted.
Revelation was undoubtedly written before 70 AD backed by both internal and external evidence.
Several dissertations based on sound analysis are available which attest to this.
*******This response post is for those who may not know and are interested in historical accuracy.
They Pharisees said the same thing about Jesus.
It would appear that they are still among us.
I would use extreme caution when judging your brothers in this thread. Perhaps there are some here who would say the same about you. I would give them the same warning. By whatever measure we judge, we shall be judged. What if it is you who are mistaken in your beliefs? What if you are falsely judging others? Be careful.
You're totally blind.
The Bible foretold Israel slowly coming back into the land over many periods of time and after the destruction of the 2nd temple in 70 AD, which is WHY THERE ARE JEWS LIVING IN ISRAEL NOW!!!
So, no, not ALL prophecy was fulfilled by 70 AD, and yet the ones you hate, are exactly the ones who God/Jesus continues to fulfill prophecy through now and until the end of the world.
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His uncle was told a narrative, he believed it and passed it along. Hardly an uncommon occurrence in today's world.
Are you talking Biblically or outside the Bible facts?
Yeah well, I have the Word on my side, I'd say that's a whole lot of substance. There all kinds of verses in the Bible saying God will take the Jews back to their land never to be uprooted again. ISRAEL is that land, the Jews are the people God is gathering back. Listen, you'd have to rip out half the Bible to ignore what's right under your nose. This isn't personal, it's what's Biblical and I'm gonna stand on it, no matter who tries to deny it.
You're a prime example of passing along lies making it a common occurrence in today's world and you can't even see it. PennEd was talking about family and other people who witnessed it and had markings on them to prove it happened.
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He uncle was an eyewitness. smh You're calling every single person who survived or saw what happened a liar. That's extremely immature. If I wasn't there it didn't happen. Just makes no sense at all. It's certainly not research. There are museums full of evidence, survivor testimony, eyewitness testimony, video testimony, written testimony, and camps you can visit to this day. To try and deny that much evidence is foolish and childish. But to call every survivor a liar? That's just arrogance to the extreme that you believe you can rewrite history. People like me are here to make sure you don't.
The evidence is overwhelming.
We're not talking about a single source or one government's version of events.
We have Nazi documents, concentration camps, photographs, eyewitness testimony from survivors, testimony from German soldiers and officials, physical evidence at the camps, and records gathered by multiple countries that were enemies of each other.
To deny the Holocaust happened, you don't just have to reject one piece of evidence.
You have to reject an enormous amount of independent evidence that points to the same conclusion.
As Christians, we should be committed to truth wherever it leads.
If the evidence supports something, then we should accept it, even if it challenges our assumptions.
You don't have to agree with every number, every historian, or every political use of the Holocaust to acknowledge the basic historical reality that millions of Jews and others were systematically persecuted and murdered by Nazi Germany.
At some point, denying that happened requires more faith than accepting the evidence for it.
We're not talking about a single source or one government's version of events.
We have Nazi documents, concentration camps, photographs, eyewitness testimony from survivors, testimony from German soldiers and officials, physical evidence at the camps, and records gathered by multiple countries that were enemies of each other.
To deny the Holocaust happened, you don't just have to reject one piece of evidence.
You have to reject an enormous amount of independent evidence that points to the same conclusion.
As Christians, we should be committed to truth wherever it leads.
If the evidence supports something, then we should accept it, even if it challenges our assumptions.
You don't have to agree with every number, every historian, or every political use of the Holocaust to acknowledge the basic historical reality that millions of Jews and others were systematically persecuted and murdered by Nazi Germany.
At some point, denying that happened requires more faith than accepting the evidence for it.
Yeah, not sure if we have a troll here or someone just that arrogant. But I'm not going to be quiet about it, that's for sure.
I'm passing along verifiable information, which you reject out of hand in favor of an intentionally contrived narrative.
Tattoos prove that someone was in the camps. That is all. I don't deny the camps, I don't deny that people died in them. I don't even deny that there were horrible things done to them. But there were no ovens, no crematoriums, no extermination plan. If you would stop arguing for half an hour and go do your own research you would arrive at the same conclusions. Your anecdotes are not evidence.
Imagine a Christian from south pole, he never heard of such thing, except Jesus is his Lord ana savior.
He is allowed to question, to research, to make his own pov.
I don't think this is a matter of salvation.
I know in some country people were educated to be atheists. But those people questioned, researched, humbled and came to Christ.
People should be allowed to question history stuff.
I don't think we're disagreeing.
A Christian in the South Pole who's never heard of the Holocaust isn't in danger spiritually because of that.
It's not a salvation issue.
And yes, people absolutely should be allowed to question history, research for themselves, and examine the evidence.
My point is simply that questioning and denying are not the same thing.
Honest investigation is a good thing.
But if we're committed to truth, we should also be willing to follow the evidence wherever it leads, even when it challenges our conclusions.
That's true for history, science, and theology alike.
Truth doesn't fear investigation. It welcomes it.
Absolutely agree
I love science. Every a few decades, science usually prove itself wrong or limited and get to a higher level.
That's the reason we have classic Newton physics, and maxwell quantum physics.....
Always open to new findings.