Lost people after the Tribulation

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Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to decieve the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

This is an interesting story because if you study you find out there are still sinners in the time of New Jerusalem according to this verse. Where did they come from? Why are people following Satan after the thousand year reign of Christ? I find it interesting that there are still sinners after the tribulation. There are sinners after the thousand year reign of Christ. Who are they?
 

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Revelation 21 makes much more sense which will follow immediately after the events of Matthew 24:29-31.

Question: Do you believe that Christ will reign on the earth for a thousand years in the new Jerusalem after His 2nd coming? According to Revelation 20 that is..

The new city Jerusalem will come down from heaven after new heaven and new earth not before.

What is your thoughts about this?
 
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Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to decieve the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

This is an interesting story because if you study you find out there are still sinners in the time of New Jerusalem according to this verse. Where did they come from? Why are people following Satan after the thousand year reign of Christ? I find it interesting that there are still sinners after the tribulation. There are sinners after the thousand year reign of Christ. Who are they?
These are those that were born during the tribulation, and are deceived after satan is loosed
 
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Revelation 21 makes much more sense which will follow immediately after the events of Matthew 24:29-31.

Question: Do you believe that Christ will reign on the earth for a thousand years in the new Jerusalem after His 2nd coming? According to Revelation 20 that is..

The new city Jerusalem will come down from heaven after new heaven and new earth not before.

What is your thoughts about this?
Agreed cronjecj, New Jerusalem descends after the millennial reign
 
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Revelation 3:12 says New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven. Yes I believe that means it is on Earth. Revelation 21:2 Also says New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven. I believe it is the "beloved city" in Revelation 20:9 which I quoted earlier. Chapter 21 of Revelation talks about New Jerusalem in detail and says in verse 24 "And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honor into it." Because the kings of the earth enter New Jerusalem it is obviously on Earth. I believe that the thousand year reign of Christ is on Earth because New Jerusalem is on Earth and Revelation 21:23 says Jesus is the light of New Jerusalem, verse 23 "And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof." Jesus is in New Jerusalem and New Jerusalem is on Earth.
 

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Revelation 3:12 says New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven. Yes I believe that means it is on Earth. Revelation 21:2 Also says New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven. I believe it is the "beloved city" in Revelation 20:9 which I quoted earlier. Chapter 21 of Revelation talks about New Jerusalem in detail and says in verse 24 "And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honor into it." Because the kings of the earth enter New Jerusalem it is obviously on Earth. I believe that the thousand year reign of Christ is on Earth because New Jerusalem is on Earth and Revelation 21:23 says Jesus is the light of New Jerusalem, verse 23 "And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof." Jesus is in New Jerusalem and New Jerusalem is on Earth.
Will the saints reign with Christ in the beloved city Jerusalem a thousand years before or after the new heaven and earth?
 

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According to Revelation 20 the millennial reign is before the new heaven and earth.. right?

After the thousand years death and hell will be thrown into the lake of fire (the great judgement) and only then according to Revelation 21 will the city new Jerusalem descend from heaven on a new earth and heaven...

Help anyone.
 

cronjecj

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Yes New Jerusalem is after the new Heaven and new Earth.
Revelation 20:9 (KJV)
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

What is the beloved city John was referring to before the new heaven and earth?
 
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According to Revelation 20 the millennial reign is before the new heaven and earth.. right?

After the thousand years death and hell will be thrown into the lake of fire (the great judgement) and only then according to Revelation 21 will the city new Jerusalem descend from heaven on a new earth and heaven...

Help anyone.
Yes, I agree
 

zone

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Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to decieve the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

This is an interesting story because if you study you find out there are still sinners in the time of New Jerusalem according to this verse.

Where did they come from?

Why are people following Satan after the thousand year reign of Christ?

I find it interesting that there are still sinners after the tribulation.

There are sinners after the thousand year reign of Christ. Who are they?



congratulations jonathan.....welcome to amillennialism.
coffee?

2 Timothy 2:15
Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.
 
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Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to decieve the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

This is an interesting story because if you study you find out there are still sinners in the time of New Jerusalem according to this verse. Where did they come from? Why are people following Satan after the thousand year reign of Christ? I find it interesting that there are still sinners after the tribulation. There are sinners after the thousand year reign of Christ. Who are they?
Revelation 20:5
(5) But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

John 5:28-29
(28) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
(29) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

There are two resurrections one at the start one at the end of the 1000 years.




 
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Revelation 20:5
(5) But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

John 5:28-29
(28) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
(29) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

There are two resurrections one at the start one at the end of the 1000 years.




When the wicked dead are raised at the end of the 1000 years then at that time everyone who has lived will meet.
 
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Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to decieve the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

This is an interesting story because if you study you find out there are still sinners in the time of New Jerusalem according to this verse. Where did they come from? Why are people following Satan after the thousand year reign of Christ? I find it interesting that there are still sinners after the tribulation. There are sinners after the thousand year reign of Christ. Who are they?

Well spotted Jonathan. This interpretation has nothing to do with amillennialism by the way....keep up the search for truth.
 

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Revelation 20:5
(5) But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
John 5:28-29
(28) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
(29) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

There are two resurrections one at the start one at the end of the 1000 years.
The Lost Thousand Years Between Two Resurrections

by Rev. Nollie Malabuyo


In the Parable of the Wheat and Weeds (or tares) in Matthew 13:24–30 (with its interpretation in Matthew 13:36–43), Jesus explains that the Son of Man sows good seed—the children of the kingdom—in the world. But the devil came at night and sowed weeds—the children of Satan—among the good seed. At the close of the age, the Son of Man will send His angels to separate out of His kingdom all lawbreakers and throw them into the fiery furnace. The righteous will then shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father.
Another parable in parallel to this is the Parable of the Net in Matthew 13:47–50. Jesus likens the kingdom of God to a net that catches all kinds of fish. When the net is full at the end of the age, the net is drawn by men who separate the good fish (the righteous) from the bad (the wicked). The good fish are kept, and the bad are thrown away into the fiery furnace. How could there be an interval of one thousand years between the drawing of the good and the bad when there is only one net that hauls in fish of both kinds in one catch?
Based on these passages alone, the resurrection of all the dead—righteous and wicked—will take place, not as two events, but as one event at the end of the world. These clear texts contradict the dispensational premillennialist teaching of multiple resurrections. In the dispensationalist scheme of the end times, the righteous will be resurrected at the so-called Secret Rapture, and 1,007 years later, the wicked will in turn be resurrected, judged and sent to the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11–15). The intervening period includes a seven-year tribulation after the rapture and a thousand-year millennial reign of Christ.

This scheme is classic eisegesis, or reading ideas into the text. Because dispensationalists presuppose a literal millennium, every passage has to be examined through the millennial lens. However, in addition to the above, many other texts show that this imaginary thousand-year separation between two resurrections is inserted by dispensationalists without even an iota of Scripture as basis, in contradiction to the biblical teaching of a general resurrection on “the last day.” Let us examine some of these different points of view.

One Resurrection on the Last Day
Several Pauline texts teach that the righteous will be resurrected when Christ returns. At “the coming of the Lord . . . the dead in Christ will rise first,” preceding the righteous who are still alive (1 Thessalonians 4:15–16). Christians “await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body” (Philippians 3:20–21). Christ, being “the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep,” will be resurrected first, “then at his coming those who belong to Christ” will be made alive (1 Corinthians 15:20, 23).

When would this resurrection of the righteous happen? Jesus repeatedly points out—four times to be exact—that it will be on the “last day” (John 6:39, 40, 44, 54). If the wicked are resurrected a thousand years after the righteous, how can the resurrection of the righteous be on “the last day?” As well, in the Olivet Discourse, Jesus foretells that when the Son of Man comes “on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory”—unmistakable second coming language—His angels “will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other” (Matthew 24:29–31).

Several texts are very clear that there is one general resurrection at the end of the age. Daniel 12:1–2 speaks of the awakening of “many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth” “at the time of the end” (Dan. 11:40)—“some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” Jesus uses similar language when he said in John 5:28–29 that “an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.” Paul also preached “a resurrection [anastasin, singular] of both the just and the unjust” (Acts 24:15). Can “an hour” span a thousand years? Can two resurrections separated by a thousand years be properly called a single resurrection?

http://www.graceonlinelibrary.org/eschatology/dispensationalism/the-lost-thousand-years-between-two-resurrections-by-rev-nollie-malabuyo/#

Matthew 12:32
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

Mark 10:28-30
Peter said to him, “We have left everything to follow you!”
“I tell you the truth,” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age (homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—and with them, persecutions) and in the age to come, eternal life.

two ages.
that's it.
 

cronjecj

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The Lost Thousand Years Between Two Resurrections

by Rev. Nollie Malabuyo


In the Parable of the Wheat and Weeds (or tares) in Matthew 13:24–30 (with its interpretation in Matthew 13:36–43), Jesus explains that the Son of Man sows good seed—the children of the kingdom—in the world. But the devil came at night and sowed weeds—the children of Satan—among the good seed. At the close of the age, the Son of Man will send His angels to separate out of His kingdom all lawbreakers and throw them into the fiery furnace. The righteous will then shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father.
Another parable in parallel to this is the Parable of the Net in Matthew 13:47–50. Jesus likens the kingdom of God to a net that catches all kinds of fish. When the net is full at the end of the age, the net is drawn by men who separate the good fish (the righteous) from the bad (the wicked). The good fish are kept, and the bad are thrown away into the fiery furnace. How could there be an interval of one thousand years between the drawing of the good and the bad when there is only one net that hauls in fish of both kinds in one catch?
Based on these passages alone, the resurrection of all the dead—righteous and wicked—will take place, not as two events, but as one event at the end of the world. These clear texts contradict the dispensational premillennialist teaching of multiple resurrections. In the dispensationalist scheme of the end times, the righteous will be resurrected at the so-called Secret Rapture, and 1,007 years later, the wicked will in turn be resurrected, judged and sent to the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11–15). The intervening period includes a seven-year tribulation after the rapture and a thousand-year millennial reign of Christ.

This scheme is classic eisegesis, or reading ideas into the text. Because dispensationalists presuppose a literal millennium, every passage has to be examined through the millennial lens. However, in addition to the above, many other texts show that this imaginary thousand-year separation between two resurrections is inserted by dispensationalists without even an iota of Scripture as basis, in contradiction to the biblical teaching of a general resurrection on “the last day.” Let us examine some of these different points of view.

One Resurrection on the Last Day
Several Pauline texts teach that the righteous will be resurrected when Christ returns. At “the coming of the Lord . . . the dead in Christ will rise first,” preceding the righteous who are still alive (1 Thessalonians 4:15–16). Christians “await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body” (Philippians 3:20–21). Christ, being “the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep,” will be resurrected first, “then at his coming those who belong to Christ” will be made alive (1 Corinthians 15:20, 23).

When would this resurrection of the righteous happen? Jesus repeatedly points out—four times to be exact—that it will be on the “last day” (John 6:39, 40, 44, 54). If the wicked are resurrected a thousand years after the righteous, how can the resurrection of the righteous be on “the last day?” As well, in the Olivet Discourse, Jesus foretells that when the Son of Man comes “on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory”—unmistakable second coming language—His angels “will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other” (Matthew 24:29–31).

Several texts are very clear that there is one general resurrection at the end of the age. Daniel 12:1–2 speaks of the awakening of “many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth” “at the time of the end” (Dan. 11:40)—“some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” Jesus uses similar language when he said in John 5:28–29 that “an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.” Paul also preached “a resurrection [anastasin, singular] of both the just and the unjust” (Acts 24:15). Can “an hour” span a thousand years? Can two resurrections separated by a thousand years be properly called a single resurrection?

http://www.graceonlinelibrary.org/eschatology/dispensationalism/the-lost-thousand-years-between-two-resurrections-by-rev-nollie-malabuyo/#

Matthew 12:32
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

Mark 10:28-30
Peter said to him, “We have left everything to follow you!”
“I tell you the truth,” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age (homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—and with them, persecutions) and in the age to come, eternal life.

two ages.
that's it.
Very good point hmm..

i also agree that there is one 2nd coming, one new Jerusalem, one judgment and one new world and new heaven...

One day with the Lord is a thousand years, hmmmm.
 

zone

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Very good point hmm..

i also agree that there is one 2nd coming, one new Jerusalem, one judgment and one new world and new heaven...

One day with the Lord is a thousand years, hmmmm.


Psalm 50:10
for every animal of the forest is mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills.
 
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Revelation 20:9 (KJV)
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

What is the beloved city John was referring to before the new heaven and earth?

Good question, the Bible does not name the 'beloved city' as New Jerusalem. I do not know any other beloved city except New Jerusalem. Possibly a mystery.
 

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Good question, the Bible does not name the 'beloved city' as New Jerusalem. I do not know any other beloved city except New Jerusalem. Possibly a mystery.
a mystery indeed..

The old Jerusalem? ;)
 
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The Lost Thousand Years Between Two Resurrections

by Rev. Nollie Malabuyo


In the Parable of the Wheat and Weeds (or tares) in Matthew 13:24–30 (with its interpretation in Matthew 13:36–43), Jesus explains that the Son of Man sows good seed—the children of the kingdom—in the world. But the devil came at night and sowed weeds—the children of Satan—among the good seed. At the close of the age, the Son of Man will send His angels to separate out of His kingdom all lawbreakers and throw them into the fiery furnace. The righteous will then shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father.
Another parable in parallel to this is the Parable of the Net in Matthew 13:47–50. Jesus likens the kingdom of God to a net that catches all kinds of fish. When the net is full at the end of the age, the net is drawn by men who separate the good fish (the righteous) from the bad (the wicked). The good fish are kept, and the bad are thrown away into the fiery furnace. How could there be an interval of one thousand years between the drawing of the good and the bad when there is only one net that hauls in fish of both kinds in one catch?
Based on these passages alone, the resurrection of all the dead—righteous and wicked—will take place, not as two events, but as one event at the end of the world. These clear texts contradict the dispensational premillennialist teaching of multiple resurrections. In the dispensationalist scheme of the end times, the righteous will be resurrected at the so-called Secret Rapture, and 1,007 years later, the wicked will in turn be resurrected, judged and sent to the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11–15). The intervening period includes a seven-year tribulation after the rapture and a thousand-year millennial reign of Christ.

This scheme is classic eisegesis, or reading ideas into the text. Because dispensationalists presuppose a literal millennium, every passage has to be examined through the millennial lens. However, in addition to the above, many other texts show that this imaginary thousand-year separation between two resurrections is inserted by dispensationalists without even an iota of Scripture as basis, in contradiction to the biblical teaching of a general resurrection on “the last day.” Let us examine some of these different points of view.

One Resurrection on the Last Day
Several Pauline texts teach that the righteous will be resurrected when Christ returns. At “the coming of the Lord . . . the dead in Christ will rise first,” preceding the righteous who are still alive (1 Thessalonians 4:15–16). Christians “await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like his glorious body” (Philippians 3:20–21). Christ, being “the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep,” will be resurrected first, “then at his coming those who belong to Christ” will be made alive (1 Corinthians 15:20, 23).

When would this resurrection of the righteous happen? Jesus repeatedly points out—four times to be exact—that it will be on the “last day” (John 6:39, 40, 44, 54). If the wicked are resurrected a thousand years after the righteous, how can the resurrection of the righteous be on “the last day?” As well, in the Olivet Discourse, Jesus foretells that when the Son of Man comes “on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory”—unmistakable second coming language—His angels “will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other” (Matthew 24:29–31).

Several texts are very clear that there is one general resurrection at the end of the age. Daniel 12:1–2 speaks of the awakening of “many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth” “at the time of the end” (Dan. 11:40)—“some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” Jesus uses similar language when he said in John 5:28–29 that “an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.” Paul also preached “a resurrection [anastasin, singular] of both the just and the unjust” (Acts 24:15). Can “an hour” span a thousand years? Can two resurrections separated by a thousand years be properly called a single resurrection?

http://www.graceonlinelibrary.org/eschatology/dispensationalism/the-lost-thousand-years-between-two-resurrections-by-rev-nollie-malabuyo/#

Matthew 12:32
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

Mark 10:28-30
Peter said to him, “We have left everything to follow you!”
“I tell you the truth,” Jesus replied, “no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age (homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—and with them, persecutions) and in the age to come, eternal life.

two ages.
that's it.
Revelation 20:5-6
(5) But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
(6) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The parable does say they are gathered to be burned but, when are they burned?
Revelation 20:7-9
(7) And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
(8) And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
(9) And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.