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In Hebrews the 9th chapter that by the blood sacrifice that he made, he became the mediator of the new testament in verse 15. Also in that same verse also tell us that by that same sacriface he made it possible for those under the first testament to receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
So through Christ Jesus they are also forgiven
So through Christ Jesus they are also forgiven
Jesus is the Word in that He is God personally revealing Himself to us,which He is God with us.
The Bible,the word of God,is God revealing Himself and the truth,by words written in a book.
The Word of God,is God personally revealing Himself and the truth to us by a human manifestation.
6Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I(Isaiah 52:6).
God said that one day He would reveal a new name to the Jews and speak to them.
7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake(John 14:7-11).
The only way you can see the invisible God is by Jesus,the visible relationship of God to the saints,and the Spirit is God's invisible relationship to the saints.
The Bible,the word of God,is God revealing Himself and the truth,by words written in a book.
The Word of God,is God personally revealing Himself and the truth to us by a human manifestation.
6Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I(Isaiah 52:6).
God said that one day He would reveal a new name to the Jews and speak to them.
7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake(John 14:7-11).
The only way you can see the invisible God is by Jesus,the visible relationship of God to the saints,and the Spirit is God's invisible relationship to the saints.
Yes, Christ became the mediator of the new testatment. That new testament was not in force until after his death. And yes it is possible for those under the law to recieve the promise now. You are correct.
Do you know how this will come about? How do they come through Jesus Christ, when most are already dead before Christ was even born?
and when they are given the 2nd chance to know the Lord Jesus whom they never knew, the mediator between man and God?
For one has to know the Lord Jesus, the Son of God before they can go through him. And if you say Jesus is God the Father, then I will tell you right now, that is not the answer or the way God planned for them to go through that door, Christ.
For everyone entering the kingdom has to know that God made a sacrifice, a blood sacrifice of his only begotten Son for the atonement of sins....and those Israelites, they were instructed to make animal sacrifices for the atonement of their sins, else their sacrifices were done in vain?
Do you know how this will come about? How do they come through Jesus Christ, when most are already dead before Christ was even born?
and when they are given the 2nd chance to know the Lord Jesus whom they never knew, the mediator between man and God?
For one has to know the Lord Jesus, the Son of God before they can go through him. And if you say Jesus is God the Father, then I will tell you right now, that is not the answer or the way God planned for them to go through that door, Christ.
For everyone entering the kingdom has to know that God made a sacrifice, a blood sacrifice of his only begotten Son for the atonement of sins....and those Israelites, they were instructed to make animal sacrifices for the atonement of their sins, else their sacrifices were done in vain?
Not meaning to take away from your point Journey, as its all good. Thought i might just add, that when you take all things into account, you can draw another type of conclusion about the sacrifices; kinda of an after the fact realization.
When you think about the times, place and circumstances of the era, and think about how meat is handled today, with all the regulations in place so we don't get sick or die from eating it, well you can kinda understand how GOD was teaching them to handle meat properly.
Could probably make new freinds real easy too, with those kind of vittles
Just thought i'd throw that in.
Forever in Christ
When you think about the times, place and circumstances of the era, and think about how meat is handled today, with all the regulations in place so we don't get sick or die from eating it, well you can kinda understand how GOD was teaching them to handle meat properly.
Could probably make new freinds real easy too, with those kind of vittles
Just thought i'd throw that in.
Forever in Christ
Not meaning to take away from your point Journey, as its all good. Thought i might just add, that when you take all things into account, you can draw another type of conclusion about the sacrifices; kinda of an after the fact realization.
When you think about the times, place and circumstances of the era, and think about how meat is handled today, with all the regulations in place so we don't get sick or die from eating it, well you can kinda understand how GOD was teaching them to handle meat properly.
Could probably make new freinds real easy too, with those kind of vittles
Just thought i'd throw that in.
Forever in Christ
When you think about the times, place and circumstances of the era, and think about how meat is handled today, with all the regulations in place so we don't get sick or die from eating it, well you can kinda understand how GOD was teaching them to handle meat properly.
Could probably make new freinds real easy too, with those kind of vittles
Just thought i'd throw that in.
Forever in Christ
And for example pork was considered unclean, probably because pigs eat scraps and waste, and we know now that pork has a lot of bad fat in it, and if you eat too much of the yummy fatty bits, it will make you unhealthy. And they didn't have doctors in those days to say you've got high colestrol, or high blood pressure lol.
But we now know now that whatever we eat, we thank the lord, and he makes it clean. But still instructed not to eat things strangled.
I watched your video by the way! Next time warn me please to put an hour aside! lol. I had the phone, kids, and everyone interupting me, but I managed to pause and not miss anything. He's ok. I dont think he's an evil false teacher one bit.... says a lot of good stuff that I agree with, but theres a few things that I disagree with and I think the nice fella hasn't realised a few little things yet. God bless him. But there was something interesting however, that he brought to my attention again.
1 Corinth 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
1 Conrinth 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou soweth is not quickened unless it die:
(so we have to be dead first before we can be quickened)
1 Corinth 15:37 And that which thou sow thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain.
(or of some other grain? Interesting)
1 Corinth 15:38 But God gives it a body as it has pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
1 Corinth 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh; but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
(earthly flesh types)
1 Corinth 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
(celestial - heavenly, not made by man / terrestrial - earthly)
1 Corinth 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differes from another star in glory.
1 Corinth 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption:
1 Corinth 15:43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power:
1 Corinth 15:44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body, and there is a spiritual body.
1 Corinth 15:45 And so it is writen, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
(when was Jesus quickened? after his death of course. He was raised in spirit. Some people think that we dont have to go through this, that we are somewhat more special than Jesus)
1 Corinth 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual. But that which is natural.
1 Corinth 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1 Corinth 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
(This makes it very clear. Most christians think they are heavenly already....but not yet folks. maybe in your mindset, but not transformed yet, remember Christ had to die first, and we follow him, we do the same)
1 Corinth 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1 Corinth 15:50 Now this I say brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. neither does corruption inherit incorruption.
(We have to be changed to spirit first before we recieve our inheritance. All in order)
Thanks Westand. I love God's word.
S
I will say this, Jesus was the man that God became.
But to me, the answer to your question is found in these scriptures. 1 Peter 3:18-19---Isaiah 42:7 and
Isaiah 61:1-2. There are many volumes written concerning these passages and I do not argue with any of them. I just accept what I think has been reveled unto me.
When Jesus preached to the spirits in prison, he was preaching to the followers of the Law of Moses and giving them the same opportunity as we. The blood of the animal sacrifice could not forgive there sins but only moved them ahead until Jesus made the supreme sacrifice. The blood of Christ is the only thing that can remove sin.
There are other things in the scriptures to look at concerning this so maybe you will contribute some thoughts. I feel sure you have an answer as to how they come through Jesus.
But to me, the answer to your question is found in these scriptures. 1 Peter 3:18-19---Isaiah 42:7 and
Isaiah 61:1-2. There are many volumes written concerning these passages and I do not argue with any of them. I just accept what I think has been reveled unto me.
When Jesus preached to the spirits in prison, he was preaching to the followers of the Law of Moses and giving them the same opportunity as we. The blood of the animal sacrifice could not forgive there sins but only moved them ahead until Jesus made the supreme sacrifice. The blood of Christ is the only thing that can remove sin.
There are other things in the scriptures to look at concerning this so maybe you will contribute some thoughts. I feel sure you have an answer as to how they come through Jesus.
Really nice to speak to you sonny. Are you new?
Lets look shall we
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.
Yes, Christ suffered once for sins when he was crucified. If we continue in our sin, then we crucify him again and again. But his death was not in vain, and was carried out so that he might bring us to God. He was put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.
So.........Some people here claim that when we were reconciled to Christ, we became dead to the world in the spirit and because of this we experienced the first resurrection, even though we were still living in the flesh... would you say this is correct? Because Christ died in the flesh...a physical death, then he was quickened...so we have to follow the same.. (We cannot be quickened before we die) And because of death Christ might bring us to God. It says might, because not all accepted this sacrifice. And I dont know where you are going with this one, cause it says Christ might bring us to God?
Isaiah 42:7 To open the blind eyes , to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
Yes, I love this one. We all know that Christ came to shed light. His light is truth. When we are in darkness, we stumble and trip over because it's dark and we cant see where we are going. Therefore, we are trapped in the prison house (babylon the great, the world) and we cannot get out because our false doctrines/beliefs are keeping us there in that cage. Do you remember this verse?
Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
....and the person said Lord, when were you naked? and when did I clothe you, when were you sick and I visited you, when were you in prison?..
and the Lord said that because you did it to one of the least of my brethren you did it to me.
So the Lord has sent out some labourers even to this very day, that have been feeding on his flesh (his truth) they have taken the time to visit (minister) to the prisoners, because they were sick spiritually from being hungry for truth. And this laborour, who gave truth guided them to be let them out of the prison, so their eyes were opened, and therefore they came out of the prison and they were no more a stranger to the fold, but joined them in serving the Lord.. and the truth sets us free.
Isaiah 61:1 The spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath annointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the broken hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound.
This is the Word of God speaking now. Isaiah is prophesying of what was to come, and the Word spoke. Christ was that Word sent to shed light, and that happened another 732 yrs later. Christ did not shed light to those men under the law. It was a prophesy of what was to come. And the ones hungry for truth were the gentiles (save a few Jews of course) and today, not only the unbelievers, but those caught up in false religion/false doctrine/doctrines of man/ are still in prison. If they are devoid of truth, they cannot get out. They are trapped. Going no-where. In the dark thinking they can see. Decieved. Only Christ can let them out, and he lets out those who search him in spirit and in truth.
I love these scriptures and I've explained what they mean but I still dont get what you are getting at?
When Jesus was preaching to the spirits in prison, he was preaching to those fallen angels mentioned in Genesis & Jude who defiled earthly flesh, not preaching to men under the law devoid of light....or dead mens spirits. Jesus was given authority over all the angels when he conquered death. He was probably giving them a good telling off judging them and stating his authority and power of them now, as these creatures are damned, cursed, never to return to God again..... So this is not about those under the law, it's about real spirits, fallen angels. A particular type locked up from the beginning. Two different types of prisons we;ve looked at. One is for the spiritual creatures who knew God, and the truth, and the other for men's spiritual state who dont know the truth. The first blasphemed against the holy spirit. An unforgivable sin.
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chainsunder darkness unto the judgement of the great day.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jude 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignitaries
Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds, they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Jude 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out of their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.
Lets look shall we
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.
Yes, Christ suffered once for sins when he was crucified. If we continue in our sin, then we crucify him again and again. But his death was not in vain, and was carried out so that he might bring us to God. He was put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.
So.........Some people here claim that when we were reconciled to Christ, we became dead to the world in the spirit and because of this we experienced the first resurrection, even though we were still living in the flesh... would you say this is correct? Because Christ died in the flesh...a physical death, then he was quickened...so we have to follow the same.. (We cannot be quickened before we die) And because of death Christ might bring us to God. It says might, because not all accepted this sacrifice. And I dont know where you are going with this one, cause it says Christ might bring us to God?
Isaiah 42:7 To open the blind eyes , to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
Yes, I love this one. We all know that Christ came to shed light. His light is truth. When we are in darkness, we stumble and trip over because it's dark and we cant see where we are going. Therefore, we are trapped in the prison house (babylon the great, the world) and we cannot get out because our false doctrines/beliefs are keeping us there in that cage. Do you remember this verse?
Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
....and the person said Lord, when were you naked? and when did I clothe you, when were you sick and I visited you, when were you in prison?..
and the Lord said that because you did it to one of the least of my brethren you did it to me.
So the Lord has sent out some labourers even to this very day, that have been feeding on his flesh (his truth) they have taken the time to visit (minister) to the prisoners, because they were sick spiritually from being hungry for truth. And this laborour, who gave truth guided them to be let them out of the prison, so their eyes were opened, and therefore they came out of the prison and they were no more a stranger to the fold, but joined them in serving the Lord.. and the truth sets us free.
Isaiah 61:1 The spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath annointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the broken hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound.
This is the Word of God speaking now. Isaiah is prophesying of what was to come, and the Word spoke. Christ was that Word sent to shed light, and that happened another 732 yrs later. Christ did not shed light to those men under the law. It was a prophesy of what was to come. And the ones hungry for truth were the gentiles (save a few Jews of course) and today, not only the unbelievers, but those caught up in false religion/false doctrine/doctrines of man/ are still in prison. If they are devoid of truth, they cannot get out. They are trapped. Going no-where. In the dark thinking they can see. Decieved. Only Christ can let them out, and he lets out those who search him in spirit and in truth.
I love these scriptures and I've explained what they mean but I still dont get what you are getting at?
When Jesus was preaching to the spirits in prison, he was preaching to those fallen angels mentioned in Genesis & Jude who defiled earthly flesh, not preaching to men under the law devoid of light....or dead mens spirits. Jesus was given authority over all the angels when he conquered death. He was probably giving them a good telling off judging them and stating his authority and power of them now, as these creatures are damned, cursed, never to return to God again..... So this is not about those under the law, it's about real spirits, fallen angels. A particular type locked up from the beginning. Two different types of prisons we;ve looked at. One is for the spiritual creatures who knew God, and the truth, and the other for men's spiritual state who dont know the truth. The first blasphemed against the holy spirit. An unforgivable sin.
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chainsunder darkness unto the judgement of the great day.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jude 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignitaries
Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds, they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Jude 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out of their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.
R
the old testament believers always had the same opportunity we have...to put their faith in the messiah...
jesus' sacrifice was effective for all time...both indefinitely into the future and retroactively into the past...
old testament believers were saved by grace through faith in the messiah who was promised...just like we are saved by grace through faith in the christ who has come
jesus' sacrifice was effective for all time...both indefinitely into the future and retroactively into the past...
old testament believers were saved by grace through faith in the messiah who was promised...just like we are saved by grace through faith in the christ who has come
S
Really nice to speak to you sonny. Are you new? [/size]
Very new to this forum, but getting quite old to this life. Notice that my answers are sometimes short because my typing isn't very fast anymore
Lets look shall we
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.
Yes, Christ suffered once for sins when he was crucified. If we continue in our sin, then we crucify him again and again. But his death was not in vain, and was carried out so that he might bring us to God. He was put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.
So.........Some people here claim that when we were reconciled to Christ, we became dead to the world in the spirit and because of this we experienced the first resurrection, even though we were still living in the flesh... would you say this is correct? Because Christ died in the flesh...a physical death, then he was quickened...so we have to follow the same.. (We cannot be quickened before we die) And because of death Christ might bring us to God. It says might, because not all accepted this sacrifice. And I dont know where you are going with this one, cause it says Christ might bring us to God?
I think I would consider being reconciled to Christ as a new birth instead of resurrection. Paul said that he died daily, bringing his body under subjection.
No man comes to the father but by Christ so how will the old testament followers of the law come to God through Christ?
Isaiah 42:7 To open the blind eyes , to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
Yes, I love this one. We all know that Christ came to shed light. His light is truth. When we are in darkness, we stumble and trip over because it's dark and we cant see where we are going. Therefore, we are trapped in the prison house (babylon the great, the world) and we cannot get out because our false doctrines/beliefs are keeping us there in that cage. Do you remember this verse?
Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
....and the person said Lord, when were you naked? and when did I clothe you, when were you sick and I visited you, when were you in prison?..
and the Lord said that because you did it to one of the least of my brethren you did it to me.
So the Lord has sent out some labourers even to this very day, that have been feeding on his flesh (his truth) they have taken the time to visit (minister) to the prisoners, because they were sick spiritually from being hungry for truth. And this laborour, who gave truth guided them to be let them out of the prison, so their eyes were opened, and therefore they came out of the prison and they were no more a stranger to the fold, but joined them in serving the Lord.. and the truth sets us free.
Isaiah 61:1 The spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath annointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the broken hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound.
This is the Word of God speaking now. Isaiah is prophesying of what was to come, and the Word spoke. Christ was that Word sent to shed light, and that happened another 732 yrs later. Christ did not shed light to those men under the law. It was a prophesy of what was to come. And the ones hungry for truth were the gentiles (save a few Jews of course) and today, not only the unbelievers, but those caught up in false religion/false doctrine/doctrines of man/ are still in prison. If they are devoid of truth, they cannot get out. They are trapped. Going no-where. In the dark thinking they can see. Decieved. Only Christ can let them out, and he lets out those who search him in spirit and in truth.
I love these scriptures and I've explained what they mean but I still dont get what you are getting at?
Go back to the original post. Those people mentioned, how will they be reconciled to God. Jesus said no man comes to the father but by me. That's what I am trying to answer.
When Jesus was preaching to the spirits in prison, he was preaching to those fallen angels mentioned in Genesis & Jude who defiled earthly flesh, not preaching to men under the law devoid of light....or dead mens spirits. Jesus was given authority over all the angels when he conquered death. He was probably giving them a good telling off judging them and stating his authority and power of them now, as these creatures are damned, cursed, never to return to God again..... So this is not about those under the law, it's about real spirits, fallen angels. A particular type locked up from the beginning. Two different types of prisons we;ve looked at. One is for the spiritual creatures who knew God, and the truth, and the other for men's spiritual state who dont know the truth. The first blasphemed against the holy spirit. An unforgivable sin.
I don't understand why he would want to preach to fallen angels He is the saviour of mankind.
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chainsunder darkness unto the judgement of the great day.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jude 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignitaries
Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds, they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Jude 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out of their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.
[/size]Very new to this forum, but getting quite old to this life. Notice that my answers are sometimes short because my typing isn't very fast anymore
Lets look shall we
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.
Yes, Christ suffered once for sins when he was crucified. If we continue in our sin, then we crucify him again and again. But his death was not in vain, and was carried out so that he might bring us to God. He was put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.
So.........Some people here claim that when we were reconciled to Christ, we became dead to the world in the spirit and because of this we experienced the first resurrection, even though we were still living in the flesh... would you say this is correct? Because Christ died in the flesh...a physical death, then he was quickened...so we have to follow the same.. (We cannot be quickened before we die) And because of death Christ might bring us to God. It says might, because not all accepted this sacrifice. And I dont know where you are going with this one, cause it says Christ might bring us to God?
I think I would consider being reconciled to Christ as a new birth instead of resurrection. Paul said that he died daily, bringing his body under subjection.
No man comes to the father but by Christ so how will the old testament followers of the law come to God through Christ?
Isaiah 42:7 To open the blind eyes , to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
Yes, I love this one. We all know that Christ came to shed light. His light is truth. When we are in darkness, we stumble and trip over because it's dark and we cant see where we are going. Therefore, we are trapped in the prison house (babylon the great, the world) and we cannot get out because our false doctrines/beliefs are keeping us there in that cage. Do you remember this verse?
Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
....and the person said Lord, when were you naked? and when did I clothe you, when were you sick and I visited you, when were you in prison?..
and the Lord said that because you did it to one of the least of my brethren you did it to me.
So the Lord has sent out some labourers even to this very day, that have been feeding on his flesh (his truth) they have taken the time to visit (minister) to the prisoners, because they were sick spiritually from being hungry for truth. And this laborour, who gave truth guided them to be let them out of the prison, so their eyes were opened, and therefore they came out of the prison and they were no more a stranger to the fold, but joined them in serving the Lord.. and the truth sets us free.
Isaiah 61:1 The spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath annointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the broken hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound.
This is the Word of God speaking now. Isaiah is prophesying of what was to come, and the Word spoke. Christ was that Word sent to shed light, and that happened another 732 yrs later. Christ did not shed light to those men under the law. It was a prophesy of what was to come. And the ones hungry for truth were the gentiles (save a few Jews of course) and today, not only the unbelievers, but those caught up in false religion/false doctrine/doctrines of man/ are still in prison. If they are devoid of truth, they cannot get out. They are trapped. Going no-where. In the dark thinking they can see. Decieved. Only Christ can let them out, and he lets out those who search him in spirit and in truth.
I love these scriptures and I've explained what they mean but I still dont get what you are getting at?
Go back to the original post. Those people mentioned, how will they be reconciled to God. Jesus said no man comes to the father but by me. That's what I am trying to answer.
When Jesus was preaching to the spirits in prison, he was preaching to those fallen angels mentioned in Genesis & Jude who defiled earthly flesh, not preaching to men under the law devoid of light....or dead mens spirits. Jesus was given authority over all the angels when he conquered death. He was probably giving them a good telling off judging them and stating his authority and power of them now, as these creatures are damned, cursed, never to return to God again..... So this is not about those under the law, it's about real spirits, fallen angels. A particular type locked up from the beginning. Two different types of prisons we;ve looked at. One is for the spiritual creatures who knew God, and the truth, and the other for men's spiritual state who dont know the truth. The first blasphemed against the holy spirit. An unforgivable sin.
I don't understand why he would want to preach to fallen angels He is the saviour of mankind.
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chainsunder darkness unto the judgement of the great day.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jude 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignitaries
Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds, they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Jude 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out of their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.
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[/QUOTE]Your welcome. This thread has gone off course somewhat so I had to clarify what exactly you were trying to imply!
You see, when one has been in prison for so long, (not saying you) but in general, they can't recieve the truth because it goes against what they have been taught. So when they do hear the truth, they reject it, because it's foreign to what they have been feeding themselves on (strange flesh), and they have been warned not to accept anything else, that theres wolves out there trying to confuse them. But theres some in prison who want to be let out, and the little things that bothered them..that they were taught to accept no longer fits in with all the scriptures, so theres parts of the jigsaw puzzle missing, and the laborers are there just for a gentle guide in the right direction.
When I first came on to this site about 2 years ago, I preached the millenium on earth. Nobody would have a bar of it. It was foreign to them. I gave scripture after scripture backing this marvelous event that God has planned in his wonderful scheme for mankind, but it fell on deaf ears, and I was insulted, abused, mocked, called a false prophet (I'm not a prophet by the way) a wolf in sheeps clothing, a cult member, you name it. Then I thought one day, no way, I'm not hiding this wonderful revelation, because this is from God, and it is the truth, and we dont put our light under the bed, we have to let it shine and let some prisoners out...It's our duty, and the Lord is my driving force. He gave me a sword (his word/knowledge/armour) and I'm ready to use it!
So now most of those sceptics are gone (most), and new searchers have come on, and I see that quite a few are seeing this same event in the scriptures as well. As real...truth...and I rejoice. I only want to share, and if one doesn't accept, then that's their choice...but you have to hear it first, before you can reject and I've been muzzled, as they would come on and distract the subject with stupid pictures of food and stuff, and silly comments to one another that it all got loss in the system. I dont think God will be too pleased with them obstructing the truth....but debates, questions, views, I can handle if it's done in a civil manner, and I want everybody to take this seriously because we are studying Gods word, and God should not be mocked, nor his servants.
So now most understand that there is a thousand years reign on this earth with Christ, and the saints will be with him, but they dont know much more than that. The picture is there, but it's not a panoramic view, just a hazy one, and I intend to make that picture more clearer for my brethren...for the ones hungry that is.
I'll explain in my next post. O.k. Had to give you the run-down first.
You see, when one has been in prison for so long, (not saying you) but in general, they can't recieve the truth because it goes against what they have been taught. So when they do hear the truth, they reject it, because it's foreign to what they have been feeding themselves on (strange flesh), and they have been warned not to accept anything else, that theres wolves out there trying to confuse them. But theres some in prison who want to be let out, and the little things that bothered them..that they were taught to accept no longer fits in with all the scriptures, so theres parts of the jigsaw puzzle missing, and the laborers are there just for a gentle guide in the right direction.
When I first came on to this site about 2 years ago, I preached the millenium on earth. Nobody would have a bar of it. It was foreign to them. I gave scripture after scripture backing this marvelous event that God has planned in his wonderful scheme for mankind, but it fell on deaf ears, and I was insulted, abused, mocked, called a false prophet (I'm not a prophet by the way) a wolf in sheeps clothing, a cult member, you name it. Then I thought one day, no way, I'm not hiding this wonderful revelation, because this is from God, and it is the truth, and we dont put our light under the bed, we have to let it shine and let some prisoners out...It's our duty, and the Lord is my driving force. He gave me a sword (his word/knowledge/armour) and I'm ready to use it!
So now most of those sceptics are gone (most), and new searchers have come on, and I see that quite a few are seeing this same event in the scriptures as well. As real...truth...and I rejoice. I only want to share, and if one doesn't accept, then that's their choice...but you have to hear it first, before you can reject and I've been muzzled, as they would come on and distract the subject with stupid pictures of food and stuff, and silly comments to one another that it all got loss in the system. I dont think God will be too pleased with them obstructing the truth....but debates, questions, views, I can handle if it's done in a civil manner, and I want everybody to take this seriously because we are studying Gods word, and God should not be mocked, nor his servants.
So now most understand that there is a thousand years reign on this earth with Christ, and the saints will be with him, but they dont know much more than that. The picture is there, but it's not a panoramic view, just a hazy one, and I intend to make that picture more clearer for my brethren...for the ones hungry that is.
I'll explain in my next post. O.k. Had to give you the run-down first.