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Ok, this is what I find confusing:

what i was saying is that we should not just rely on people or our accountability parners to bring us up when we are feeling lonely,

and

not saying that anyone is only relying on people...

are you not contradicting yourself. It sounds like you're saying that someone shouldn't do something but you're also not saying that anyone is. If you don't think it's a problem than why even bring it up?

It's like if I made my Facebook status say "...is saying don't drink bleach." Someone would ask "Who do you know who's drinking bleach????" And I said "I didn't say anyone was." Then the question would be "Then why bring it up?"
 
are you not contradicting yourself. It sounds like you're saying that someone shouldn't do something but you're also not saying that anyone is. If you don't think it's a problem than why even bring it up?

It's like if I made my Facebook status say "...is saying don't drink bleach." Someone would ask "Who do you know who's drinking bleach????" And I said "I didn't say anyone was." Then the question would be "Then why bring it up?"


youre right, i am young but 1 Timothy 4:12 comes to mind, "dont let anyone look down on you because you are young" I may not be 28 or 38, but i do have a best friend who is 30 and who just got engaged. i personally dont feel like you can compare single/married life with menopause/pms. kinda different, but i get what youre saying.
i know that god will put him in my life bc god showed me a vision about my husband... thats how i know.
i said 'not saying anyone is' because in your last post you said that i "assumed" that the people posting werent praying. so i figured id say that so you know i wasnt "assuming" again.
i believe that god can give people peace about being single, because he has done it for me and others that i know personally. todays society thinks that marriage can instantly make your life better and youll be happy. im sorry but thats not true.
 
For some people if not most, when we give everything to God (submit our lives totally in every area)........the struggles usually intensify!!!! You are doing the right thing, so the enemy presses in harder to destroy that submission............

And at the end of the day - we are still human......so we will never be immune from feelings of 'longing' and 'desire' to have someone in our lives if that is what we seek. It's a matter of how much attention it steals away from God in that 'longing' or 'desire'.
 
i know that god will put him in my life bc god showed me a vision about my husband... thats how i know.

I'm glad you said that and I wish you'd brought that up sooner. That means that you were not incorrectly lead to believe that every good Christian will eventually be brought the right person to marry once they have totally turned their lives over to God or whatever, which is good because that's just not true. But then begs the question: if this is a gift God has given you and not others, why do you come down so hard on those who have not been given that gift and are wondering if God will ever bring them the right person to marry? Especially when they've been waiting a lot longer than you have?

For the rest of you, I'm sorry I got so off topic.
 
I'm glad you said that and I wish you'd brought that up sooner. That means that you were not incorrectly lead to believe that every good Christian will eventually be brought the right person to marry once they have totally turned their lives over to God or whatever, which is good because that's just not true. But then begs the question: if this is a gift God has given you and not others, why do you come down so hard on those who have not been given that gift and are wondering if God will ever bring them the right person to marry? Especially when they've been waiting a lot longer than you have?

For the rest of you, I'm sorry I got so off topic.



im not meaning to come down on them it just seems like some of them are purely relying on people to bring them up. no one is perfect and its very hard to be 100% submitted to god. what i was saying that we need to TRUST that god will bring that person into our lives. he doesnt need our help with anything, gods timing is perfect. usually when we as humans try to help, we normally end up taking the reigns from him and we make a bigger mess of things instead of letting god do his thing inthe first place. after all, he does have our lives mapped out. hopefully that clears up my point of view better.
 
Right, but sometimes God wants us to take the first step. How can He bring the right person in our lives if we don't take initiative in meeting singles. So, one of the reasons why I don't do long distance relationships is that I trust that God put me where I am for a reason. If the right guy was somewhere else, God would have put me somewhere else (but this is just for me, and not for necessarily for everyone.) But, I do know that I probably won't meet the right guy if I'm sitting around waiting for God to get the right guy to knock on my door. If I choose to take that passive approach then I shouldn't blame God for not "doing His part" if I never get married. See, like I've probably said before, I know that a lot of people (my friends included) met their husbands without actually trying, but to say that's how God wants everyone to do it is quite frankly unBiblical. Furthermore, in my research for publications for Christian singles and asking Christians I know personally, I've found lots of authors that encourage people not to take an active approach in meeting the right person,* but I've found that more credentials, personal experience, and spiritual matruity one has, the more honest they are about the possiblity that God sometimes wants a person to take the first step.

There's an article I posted the link for and I wanted people to comment on about the myths of Christian dating, it's addressed to guys, as you can tell. It says:

"Myth #1: "God has one woman picked out for you to marry. You are destined to be with her, and God will guide you to her."

Good luck finding this one in the Bible. There is plenty of stuff about God's will for his people, God wanting good things for you, and God's ultimate plan. Nowhere, however, does it say that God picked out a spunky brunette whom he's waiting to spring on you at the right moment. I'm not saying that he doesn't. When it comes to God, I'm pretty careful about saying what he does or doesn't do. But I do know this—if you rely on this idea too much, your dating life will get really confusing.

Some Christians take a lot of comfort in the idea that God will do the heavy lifting when it comes to dating. God will tell them if a relationship is right, and God will end it if it's not. All they have to do is sit back and enjoy the ride. This may be the biggest excuse men use for being lazy in relationships, much less finding one.

German theologian Dietrich Bonhoeffer addresses this issue in a wedding sermon he wrote for his sister from a Nazi jail cell. He says that God joins the relationship between a man and a woman at the point of marriage. Before that, the couple has to take the initiative. Rather than directing the course of the relationship, God wants the couple to grow and learn how to make a commitment. Once they've done that, God increases his sustaining presence."

*Though most such books I find don't really address this issue. Joshua Harris' books are excellent, but his advice on how to take a friendship to marriage, don't address what do you do if you feel called to get married, but you're not already friends with someone you think will make a good spouse.
 
ANCILLA:

you dont believe that there is only one person that god has chosen out specifically for you,
then there could be a handful of candidates, correct?
but when god created adam, he made eve just for adam.
there wasnt adam, joe, jack, eve, sarah, and amy to choose from.
adam was made just for eve and vice versa.
so why would he make a handful of spouses for us?
i truely feel that there is only one person that is my perfect match that god has made specifically for me.
call me crazy.
 
ANCILLA:

you dont believe that there is only one person that god has chosen out specifically for you,
then there could be a handful of candidates, correct?
but when god created adam, he made eve just for adam.
there wasnt adam, joe, jack, eve, sarah, and amy to choose from.
adam was made just for eve and vice versa.
so why would he make a handful of spouses for us?
i truely feel that there is only one person that is my perfect match that god has made specifically for me.
call me crazy.

Right, but bear in mind that in the situation with Adam, there were literally no other women. It is a bit confusing, because although I believe there are many men out there I could build a good marriage with, I know that God knows I will only end up with one (unless of course I pull an Elizabeth Elliot and get married 3 times, but I really hope that doesn't happen). I used to very much think in terms of God bringing a person their "intended" and that everyone has their single soulmate in the world, etc. but I've had to have those notions challenged by older and wiser Christians. Like, my parents credit their happy marriage partially to being perfect to each other, but the reality is that if they had never met and married other people with the same integrity and spritiual maturity, then they'd probably be just as happy. That is of course because of the other reason why they're so happy is because they have always kept Christ at the centre of their relationship. Now, I am not saying that any good Christian can be happily married to any other good Christian of the opposite sex. There is of course all kinds of issues around what makes a couple a good match.
 
I remember when my former baby-sitter told me that there are other men that she could see herself being married to if she had never met her husband, but she's glad that her husband was the one she ended up with. Furthermore, even if she didn't believe she would be happiest with her husband, she says he's the one she made a commitment to and will honour that regardless. See, she told me that if you have too much of a "God lead me to the right person, God made me fall in love, God made me get married" the temptation is to blame God when marriage is difficult. She said it's important to remember when you're married that it's something you choose, even if God gave you the go ahead. Yeah, I was young and in love when she told me that and I thought that was kind of weird. But the other important side to that if a couple is having trouble down the road, like when their kids are teenagers (which is when marital satisfaction is at its lowest) and one or both are doubting if they are each other's true soulmate because no longer believe they are perfect for each other, and then one or both meets someone they think might be their true soulmate, well, that problem is obvious. That's when it's important to remember that in a Christian marriage, being with your soulmate is not as important as honouring the commitment you made to the person you married.

I'm going to stop asking you where you get your assumptions from, because I don't think you have the answer I'm looking for.

But, that being said, whether or not God had one person for each person, or if He'd be willing for each person to marry one of a bunch of people, is kind of beside the point, it doesn't make a difference to me which you think is right. However, if God is calling someone to take an active role in looking for the right person (as He did with people in the Bible) how can you say that's slapping God in the face??
 
Ok, so I click on that link, read the first paragraph of what she wrote and thought "ten bucks says she's married." See, like I probably mentioned, I've taken in a lot of advice for Christian singles over the past ten years (and I took a sociology class on the family. That gave me an interesting persepective). And I've found that often times the advice from married people really differs from the advice from singles. Like, I read this one book for a paper was written by a single and did not list did not quote, or refer to the advice of or was reviewed by anyone who was married. Basically her thesis was "if you truly pray and serve God and make Him the centre of your life and you don't give into temptation to go out of your way to meet unattached Christian singles of the opposite sex, and you don't settle for just anyone, and of course you're very very patient, then God will entually bring you the perfect person after which everything will be eternally blissful. Thus I put her advice somewhere between incorrect amd dangerous. It would take a married person to say "We're talking about marriage, not Heaven." Ok, so she didn't use the words "eternally blissful" to describe marriage, but the rest is no exageration. But really, in sociology we learned that unrealistic expectations contribute to unstable marriages. I really wonder how many Christian marriages are built on unrealistic expectations because we're taught that God has one person picked out for us with whom we're pretty much guarenteed to have a happy marriage.

Anyway, what I'm getting at is this: Christians getting together and exchanging advice can sometimes be the blind leading the blind. The perspective of someone who is (or has been) married is vital.
 
On that same note (even though I'm off topic, forgive me) Iraasuup was saying that one can be married to someone they are in love with and still not have the marriage work. Well, in some ways, that should be obvious. I mean, look at the divorce rate of those long ago and far away who had arranged marriages (although I get that divorce was not always possible). But you got to wonder how arranged marriages could work out if the couple weren't even in love and they didn't know each other very well (if at all). Well, I have a few theories (including that divorce was not always possible and so if they're deeply miserable they just stay married) but one major advantage they had on us that we don't have is their expectation were probably pretty realistic. I bet girls who grew up knowing that they'd have an arranged marriage would think of marriage as just another phase of life, one where they'd really have to step up to the plate to provide for their husband and children.

But anyway, in most of the western world we believe that being in love should come before marriage. This is very good thing, in my opinion, but somewhere we've been lead to believe that love alone can keep a marriage together. I mean, love is ensential to raising a child, but is love the only thing a child needs? No, they can't eat love, live in love, be clothed in love, be vaccinated with love, get a high school diploma from love. A dog may love a child, but a dog can't raise a child. But we nonetheless impression about marriage. Why is that?
 
My theory on my own question is that we Christians are, well at least speaking from my own experience, we're fed certain advice as teenagers that is good at the time, but is not good for us once we're single adults. I mean, if I remember correctly, the overwhelming message about this whole topic given to Christian singles is not to have sex until marriage. Because when you find that one perfect person that you'll love a hundred times more than anyone you're with a teenager, and you get married, you'll be glad you waited. While sex is obviously worth saving for marriage, I know realize how many unrealistic expectations of marriage I was fed in an attempt to make waiting for marriage more appealing. As I read in a book or website "we were warned so much about what not to do before marriage, no one bothered to tell us what happend after marriage."
 
I definitely agree about getting info from married people...I'm alwayz glad when they "sneak" in here and offer their two cents!!

and that book is so right....i don't really know what to expect in a marriage...and frankly the marriages I've been around weren't 100% either. I don't really have a firm grounding in what a real relationship should look like.
 
I definitely agree about getting info from married people...I'm alwayz glad when they "sneak" in here and offer their two cents!!

Yeah, I started a thread about how there aren't enough married people on this forum. I don't know if I've used the words "the blind leading the blind" but on some issues that's what it feels like!!! There are some people I disagree with but I feel pretty far from having enough answers. But that's why I got on this forum in the first place.

and that book is so right....i don't really know what to expect in a marriage...and frankly the marriages I've been around weren't 100% either. I don't really have a firm grounding in what a real relationship should look like.

That's too bad. I have the opposite problem. My parents marriage is so good they've made marriage look too easy. Growing up I'd hear my friends parents argue, but I've never heard my own parents argue. Like, if my dad gets mad at my mom he'll just say her name in a certain tone of voice and she completely backs off. And why my mom's mad at my dad... well I can't think of an example when that's happend, so I don't know what she does. I guess they've never disagreed enough to show my sister and I what good couples do when they disagree. So that really makes me wonder what normal couples do.
 
I definitely agree about getting info from married people...I'm alwayz glad when they "sneak" in here and offer their two cents!!

and that book is so right....i don't really know what to expect in a marriage...and frankly the marriages I've been around weren't 100% either. I don't really have a firm grounding in what a real relationship should look like.

Time to rename the forum. Singles Forum and (Experienced Married People Too)
 
Time to rename the forum. Singles Forum and (Experienced Married People Too)
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I'm single and thanks, christianchicky, YOU just gave me another idea for a thread. So now I can't only blame my green mind if it fails but you :D

And, by the way, not to derail this thread, ladies, I am a nice guy who likes things of ONE certain color the mostest. Call me for a good (God) time at 1-800-IAMGREEN :D
 
haha oh my goodness, Verde! this gave me a blast from the past! thanks for reviving this thread for just a second!