I expect an answer from you so called learned Christians

[Forest]

I expect an answer to my question.

Jesus said no man can come to the father but by me


so the question is
What will happen to Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea and the rest of the prophets? Are they all lost? Because the word of God cannot be broken. Jesus said I am the door, no man can come to the father but by me.


No trick of the tongue please.
God's word cannot be broken...

Everyone that is eternlly saved comes to God in the same manner and thats by Christ being a sacrifice for their sins. Christ's work on the cross flowed backwards to cover every one of God's elect from Adam to the cross and flows forward to cover every person that is his elect unto the last one that is born into this world and that is when Jesus will return to gather his elect from the four winds of the world.

 

[journey41]

Everyone that is eternlly saved comes to God in the same manner and thats by Christ being a sacrifice for their sins. Christ's work on the cross flowed backwards to cover every one of God's elect from Adam to the cross and flows forward to cover every person that is his elect unto the last one that is born into this world and that is when Jesus will return to gather his elect from the four winds of the world.

[/QUOTE]The covenant was only made available to those who lived after Christ's death and till now. The Iraelites who died, before that covenant was actioned, didn't have a chance to be part of it.

They will now get a chance. For the Israelites that served the law perfectly before God will be raised out of their graves. These ones are called the remnant. They will be placed into the kingdom with Christ and the saints, and the covenant will NOW be established with them, and those children mentioned a few posts before who were at peace with the animals, are the Israelites children in the kingdom. They will multiply again. And this whole nation who is being instructed by our Lord Jesus Christ will teach them. So this is how they go through Christ. And those Israelites, will teach the nations, because they have been taught from the Lord, and the doctrine is true and will flow out of Zion. No more confusion.


Habakkuk: For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.



Isaiah 18:7 In that time shall the present be brought unto the Lord of hosts of a people scattered and peeled, and from a people terrible from their beginning hitherto, a nation meted out and troden under foot, whose land the rivers have spoiled, to the place of the name of the Lord of hosts, the mount Zion.


Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing, that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel; I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth...

 

[AnandaHya]

"the Israelites that served the law perfectly before God "

Jesus is the only ONE who served the law perfectly before GOD. the rest were made blameless by FAITH in God's Promise and in God Himself not works of the Law.

NT are saved by Faith in Jesus Christ and His fulfillment of the promise, not works of the Law. the Law NEVER saved but condemned.

 

[journey41]

gentiles are not descended from ephraim...

Not physical descendants. Ephraim was just pictured as the gentiles.


Israel is the firstborn physically speaking, and Ephraim is the firstborn spiritually speaking...... depicting the gentiles

For the gentiles will be born first in the kingdom, and the Israelites second.

The first will be last, and the last first.

 

[journey41]

I made a boo boo but nobody even noticed. Not Genesis chapter 11, as I quoted... but should be Genesis chapter 48....



Genesis 48:3 And Jacob said unto Joseph, God Almighty appeared unto me at Luz in the land of Caanan, and blessed me,

Genesis 48:4 And said unto me, Behold, I will make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, and I will make of thee a multitude of people, and will give this land to thy seed after thee for an everlasting possession.
(They were in Egypt at the time, later you will find out the boundaries of the new kingdom on earth)

Genesis 48:5 And now thy two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, which were born unto thee in the land of Egypt, before I came unto thee into Egypt, are mine: as Reuben and Simeon, they shall be mine.

(so Jacob is classing his two grandsons as his own - adopting them into his family)

48:6 And thy issue, which thou begetest after them, shall be thine, and shall be called after the name of their brethren (12 tribes?) in their inheritance.

You can read on and see that Israel had his hand crossed over on the two grandsons, and blessed the younger brother (Ephraim) over the older (Mannessah)

And Joseph tried to correct his father, to say bless Manessah the older, and his father refused...

Genesis 48:19 And his father refused, and said I know it, my son, I know it: he also (Manasseh) he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother (Ephraim) shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.(gentiles)


Genesis 48:20 And he blessed them that day saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying God make thee as Ephraim before Manessah.

Genesis 48:21 And Israel said to Joseph, behold, I die; but God shall be with you, and bring you again unto the land of your fathers.

 

[cronjecj]

Journey:

is Christ the Father also?

 

[Abiding]

[/QUOTE]The covenant was only made available to those who lived after Christ's death and till now. The Iraelites who died, before that covenant was actioned, didn't have a chance to be part of it.

They will now get a chance. For the Israelites that served the law perfectly before God will be raised out of their graves. These ones are called the remnant. They will be placed into the kingdom with Christ and the saints, and the covenant will NOW be established with them, and those children mentioned a few posts before who were at peace with the animals, are the Israelites children in the kingdom. They will multiply again. And this whole nation who is being instructed by our Lord Jesus Christ will teach them. So this is how they go through Christ. And those Israelites, will teach the nations, because they have been taught from the Lord, and the doctrine is true and will flow out of Zion. No more confusion.


Habakkuk: For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.



Isaiah 18:7 In that time shall the present be brought unto the Lord of hosts of a people scattered and peeled, and from a people terrible from their beginning hitherto, a nation meted out and troden under foot, whose land the rivers have spoiled, to the place of the name of the Lord of hosts, the mount Zion.


Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing, that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel; I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth...

Where do you come up with all this...certainly you have left out romans, hebrews...and
much of the gospels

 

[journey41]

Journey:

is Christ the Father also?

Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

 

[journey41]

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quote=Abiding;594836]

Where do you come up with all this...certainly you have left out romans, hebrews...and
much of the gospels

[/QUOTE]Please do tell!

 

[cronjecj]

Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

is Christ a created being?

 

[dmdave17]

Scripture also says, "And the scripture was fulfilled that says, 'Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,' and he was called God’s friend." (James 2:23) The implication is clear in my mind. Moses believed God. Isaiah believed God. Jeremiah believed God. Etc., etc.. The Bible doesn't bother to reiterate that each of them was "righteous", but their faith was also credited to them. Therefore, there is no real dichotomy between what Christ said and the salvation of the prophets. They believed God and it was credited to them as righteousness.

 

[CrimsonFlames]

I made a boo boo but nobody even noticed.

You made a "boo boo" alright when you denied Jesus is God

And we noticed alright.., so does Jesus

 

[1Christianwarrior316]

I expect an answer to my question.

Jesus said no man can come to the father but by me


so the question is
What will happen to Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea and the rest of the prophets? Are they all lost? Because the word of God cannot be broken. Jesus said I am the door, no man can come to the father but by me.


No trick of the tongue please.
God's word cannot be broken...

No trick of the tongue. Just the Word of God.
May these verses answer your question...


1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.


In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

 

[journey41]

You made a "boo boo" alright when you denied Jesus is God

And we noticed alright.., so does Jesus

What exactly don't you understand about Gods words here.

Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

You dont even believe that God sent and sacrificed his only Son, so you deny the scriptures, which glorifies Gods Son our Lord Jesus Christ....So let God be the judge between you and I.

And remember your words, and remember how you tried to get me banned because you have no spiritual knowledge and can't answer in the spirit.





2 Peter 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts.


I remember when your "satire" started with all your different characters. You can't fool me.

 

[AnandaHya]

CrismonFlame is not Zone, but you like your lies and delusions so we'll just leave you to them.

Jesus Christ is Almighty GOD, Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

by your words you deny the deity of Christ, you love a lie and find no love for His truth.

Perhaps one of these days you will chase the birds away and the Seed can actually take root, but then you still have all those rocks and strongholds to tear down.

 

[Consumed]

wow, love the left hook and then get scriptural lol

 

[journey41]

[quote=cronjecj;592313]

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24 (KJV)

[/QUOTE] did you bother to read a few verses down, which gives the answer?

John 8:25 Then said they unto him, Who are thou? And Jesus said unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.


John 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true, and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.


John 8:27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.


John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself, but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

I am he - I am the Son of God. Jesus declared he is the son of God as foretold and fulfilled. He didn't declare once he was the Father. This is where you deny Christ is the Son of God, because you say he is God the Father, the same. Making God a liar, and Jesus a liar, and trying to make me out to be a liar.. His Father taught him. The Father glorified his Son, and the Son glorifies his Father. God said this is my Son whom I am well pleased....mean anything to you? God is not into reincarnation as you put it, but brings forth his child...his Son and he's very proud of him too and wants the world to acknowledge that he taught him, and his Son obeyed, his Son , therefore the Son inherits everything that's his fathers.


John 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone, for I do always those things that please him.

 

[journey41]

No trick of the tongue. Just the Word of God.
May these verses answer your question...


1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.


In Christ, 1Christianwarrior316

[/QUOTE]This is where knowledge in discerning Gods Word comes in. The ones that went through the sea are the generation with Moses, and the ones that ate the same spiritual food is the same generation with moses.


In other words, it is only that generation that went through that. What about the generations after?


The older ones, that came out of Egypt, all died off in the desert, and the ones that managed to enter the land of milk and honey are the younger ones of that generation, who didn't worship the bull that they had made.


The generations after....they didn't go through the sea, they didn't eat that same spiritual food. They didn't drink that spiritual water that came out of the rock. So what were you saying again?

 

[Raistlin]

CrismonFlame is not Zone, but you like your lies and delusions so we'll just leave you to them.

Jesus Christ is Almighty GOD, Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

by your words you deny the deity of Christ, you love a lie and find no love for His truth.

Perhaps one of these days you will chase the birds away and the Seed can actually take root, but then you still have all those rocks and strongholds to tear down.

What is this foolishness saying that just because one says Jesus is not the Father you accuse them of denying Christs divinity???
Don't you realize how simple that is?
Oh, i understand, it is psychological warfare to make one submit to your interpretation, to attempt to silence them into submission.
Immature and wicked.

Don't you realize that millions upon millions of Christians do not believe Jesus is the Father?
And guess what?
They PRAY to Him.
That means that they DO believe He is divine.
This deception has to stop.
This doctrinal phenomenon you are abusing has only spread widely within the last decade, ironic it has accelerated in time for the great falling away...
Coincidence?

One more major thing you should know.
Chrislam would love this type of mind game you employ...
Why? Because their whole success stands upon what you are saying.
This way, to save insulting other religions, they no longer need to mention Jesus. Nor do they.
How?
They say, oh, we secretly know Jesus is really the Father, so why insult others by mentioning His Name..lets not mention that Name Jesus anymore...and they don't.

This is what your accusation is aiding and abetting...
You are aiding Chrislam.
So...does this mean we are witnessing Chrislam sleepers here now?
After all, i hear they have been recruiting with the governments blessings...
You need to stop this silly accusation.
Jesus IS divine.
Jesus the Son.
Praise his Name.

 

[AnandaHya]

Because there is only ONE God.

What is this foolishness saying that just because one says Jesus is not the Father you accuse them of denying Christs divinity???

Because there is only ONE God. Mormons, Muslims and others like deny Jesus. Mormons by saying Jesus is the archangel Michael. Muslims by saying Jesus is just a prophet but Muhammed is greater because Christians perverted Jesus message with the whole remission of sins on the cross and Jesus being God. He's just a son of God like Solomon was. others well there is too wide a range of the heresies and lies they promote.

Don't you realize how simple that is?
Oh, i understand, it is psychological warfare to make one submit to your interpretation, to attempt to silence them into submission.
Immature and wicked.

yes and watch how "above" psychological warfare you are... that leaven is awful stuff. I hate any form of lying and Journey has this false thought that various members are lying about their identity and she has yet to apologize for her insults and false accusations of those brothers. Of course you ignore what she is doing because you are sympathetic to her doctrine.

Don't you realize that millions upon millions of Christians do not believe Jesus is the Father?

and the would be wrong and believing a lie. wide is the road that leads to Hell and narrow is the gate, which is Christ Jesus.

And guess what?
They PRAY to Him.
That means that they DO believe He is divine.

pagans pray to demons, it means they think they can have a wish granting genie by tacking on "in the name of Jesus" like the Jewish exorcist in Acts. they believe in a different Jesus who is not the one revealed in the BIBLE. therefore they are not truly saved for SATAN has stolen the seed with his birds, but perhaps God will reveal this truth to them.

This deception has to stop.

yes that would be nice but you would rather aide and abide it.

This doctrinal phenomenon you are abusing has only spread widely within the last decade, ironic it has accelerated in time for the great falling away...
Coincidence?

denying that Jesus is God? nope once you get rid of that "pesky" idea you can build your own "god" to suit your taste.

One more major thing you should know.
Chrislam would love this type of mind game you employ...

you haven't a clue about Chrislam. and reveal your ignorance by your next words.

Why? Because their whole success stands upon what you are saying.
This way, to save insulting other religions, they no longer need to mention Jesus. Nor do they.

the mention Jesus as prophet and describe him as returning that sounds like the Antichrist describe in the Bible. Crislam is one of the things that will set the stage for Satan's deception to war against God's people. so this statement is a LIE: "they no longer need to mention Jesus. Nor do they" they mention Jesus all the time but they say He is NOT God, pretty much agreeing with Journey's position of how Jesus can be the son of God and be prayed to like they pray to Muhammed but He is not really God.

How?
They say, oh, we secretly know Jesus is really the Father, so why insult others by mentioning His Name..lets not mention that Name Jesus anymore...and they don't.

another lie, they don't mention Jesus because they have a different Jesus in their theology and hold to the false doctrine you say we should be tolerant of and allow others to promote.

This is what your accusation is aiding and abetting...
You are aiding Chrislam.

I do like to help people but I'm sure your comment is suppose to be an insult or something....you aid and abet false doctrine that will lead people to hell. wow way to not use psychological warfare.

So...does this mean we are witnessing Chrislam sleepers here now?
After all, i hear they have been recruiting with the governments blessings...

false accusations but then you seem to enjoy lies...

You need to stop this silly accusation.
Jesus IS divine.
Jesus the Son.
Praise his Name

never denied any of those statements but JESUS is also GOD Almighty and anyone who does not believe or is ashamed to admit HIS name (as you claim Chrislam does) , deny HIM and His gospel.

However your perception of Chrislam are false... i can just google and give you an example...

Islamic Perspective
Provided that Christians open up their facilities to Muslims and not the other way around (that is, mosques opening up their facilities to Christians), the Qur’an has no problem whatsoever with this practice. This is because it falls within the overall strategy of islamification. The Qur’an maintains that Allah is the only God and that He is sovereign over the entire earth. Hence, He is sovereign over churches and their facilities. It therefore only makes sense that the worship of Allah, as taught in the Qur’an, would slowly extend into these facilities. The end-game, of course, is that churches would transform their doctrines and theologies to that which conforms to Islam. Doctrines that would have to be set aside would include:
(a) the doctrine of the Trinity
(b) the doctrine of the hypostatic union of Christ—where Jesus is fully God and fully Man, two natures in one person, and
(c) the doctrine of salvation by faith—that entrance into Heaven is based upon grace and not by personal merit.
Chrislam corresponds to the strategy of the Muslim Brotherhood. A senior member of the Muslim Brotherhood, for example, has written: “The ikhwan [Brotherhood] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”1 Hence, this broadly defined strategy sees multi-culturalism and religious pluralism as merely a means to an ends. The end is the triumph of Islam over all other religions.


Christian Perspective
Provided that Christians understand all doctrine as negotiable and/or an inconvenience the effective Christian living, opening up their facilities Muslims also makes good
sense. This attitude, known as theological liberalism, entered the Church in the eighteenth century during the Age of the Enlightenment. In the twentieth century it incorporated the philosophies of existentialism (founder: Friedrich Nietzsche) and postmodernism (founders: Ludwig Wittgenstein, Jacque Derrida, Michel Foucault, Richard Rorty, et al.) into its understanding of Christianity. Accordingly, its mantra has become unity with diversity. All that truly matters is lifestyle: love, peace, harmony, non-judgmentalism, and the like.

http://drrobertgreer.com/2011/07/chrislam/

Chrislam is a cultural jihad and has full blessing of the Islamic nations to undermine Christianity at it root: the belief in the divinity of JESUS CHRIST.

Your promotion of postmodern tolerance and acceptance of false doctrine concerning Jesus aids and abets Chrislam by allowing them a foothold and platform to promote the whole "one world religion" idea.