Body and Blood

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes I do continually eat this flesh over and over, but not because I am not assured that I will live forever, but because, believing as I do, that this is the body and blood of Jesus Christ, I am greedy for it! I desire it more and more! Again, it is not like the manna which was food from heaven to nourish the body. this is food to nourish the soul.

Again, did you read what Jesus said.

If you eat, you will NEVER HUNGER. so why do you hunger?

Jesus compaired this with eating regular food, or manna which you eat over and over because that food dies, and you hunger, this food you can eat oince and never need to eat again.

You said "This is what Jesus meant", you should have said "This is what I believe Jesus meant".

No, I said what Jesus said. How could I interpret any other way? You can't without making jesus a liar!

I agree about ingesting as much of the word of God as is possible, but that's metaphorical. Jesus did not say anything about it being a metaphor or a representation when he said the words "Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood...",

And this is your opinion. I just take the facts of ALL jesus said. not one part of one verse. why would I want to do this? many false doctrines have come because the doctrine is based on one verse, and the context of all that was said was ignored. how can I ignore context?

although you think that what he said in other places in Scripture draw this conclusion, Jesus still said what he said. Another problem I have is that the Eucharist was the food of the early Church, it isn't a modern doctrine, so it was instituted, in terms of time, closer to Christ than us, but that's just a thought with no real elaboration...

again context. and as far as the eucharist in early church. not true. the church was split on that and infant baptism.

which again leads us to context. context says believe and eating are the same, and both give you eternal lif.e and you will never hunger. you admit you still hunger for it. thus you admit it is not the flesh jesus spoke of. because if it was you would never hunger, JUST AS JESUS PROMISED.

 

[jimsun]

Hi Roddog- Hope all is well with you.
In essence, I prefer things the simple way. After what I've been through I subscribe to the fundamental theory that life is way too short.
At risk of revealing my ignorance,I look upon our different faiths (of whom I'm privileged to have many friends) as kind of tributaries all feeding. into one big river, taking all, as it flows, to the main estuary that is our God, however he is perceived to be.
J.

 

[Ronin]

Hi Roddog- Hope all is well with you.
In essence, I prefer things the simple way. After what I've been through I subscribe to the fundamental theory that life is way too short.
At risk of revealing my ignorance,I look upon our different faiths (of whom I'm privileged to have many friends) as kind of tributaries all feeding. into one big river, taking all, as it flows, to the main estuary that is our God, however he is perceived to be.
J.

AMEN you are wise indeed

 

[dscherck]

But without the presence of the priest it cannot happen. You can't ignore his importance.

Oh indeed, they are very important to the Church. They are the successors to the offices held by the first apostles.

 

[dscherck]

Again, did you read what Jesus said.

If you eat, you will NEVER HUNGER. so why do you hunger?

Jesus compaired this with eating regular food, or manna which you eat over and over because that food dies, and you hunger, this food you can eat oince and never need to eat again.
No, I said what Jesus said. How could I interpret any other way? You can't without making jesus a liar!

Hunger for what?

And this is your opinion. I just take the facts of ALL jesus said. not one part of one verse. why would I want to do this? many false doctrines have come because the doctrine is based on one verse, and the context of all that was said was ignored. how can I ignore context?

again context. and as far as the eucharist in early church. not true. the church was split on that and infant baptism.

Actually the early Church was quite united on the Eucharist and the practice of infant baptism.

which again leads us to context. context says believe and eating are the same, and both give you eternal life and you will never hunger. you admit you still hunger for it. thus you admit it is not the flesh Jesus spoke of because if it was you would never hunger, JUST AS JESUS PROMISED.

Again, hunger for what? The Eucharist is both spiritual AND physical food.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hunger for what?



Actually the early Church was quite united on the Eucharist and the practice of infant baptism.



Again, hunger for what? The Eucharist is both spiritual AND physical food.

1. what were the people looking for?
2. What did Jesus offer them?
3. How long did Jesus say this food he offers would last?
4. How many times did Jesus say belief is what gave them eternal life.
5. Why would Jesus say whoever eats will never hunger or thirst, if they would hunger again.
6. why would he say they would never die. If they could
7. why would he say they would live forever, if they could die
8. Why would he promise whoever ate would be ressurected by him (vs delievered to him for judgment)

see you don't get it. If what jesus said is true, whoever ate the eucharist would spend eternity in heaven, because that is what Jesus promised to whoever took the bread he came to offer.

hunger for what? you must hunger for it. or you would not eat it. when one is FULL (Not hungry) they don't eat.

 

[Graybeard]

But without the presence of the priest it cannot happen. You can't ignore his importance.

those that are born again of the Spirit and are circumcised of the heart are priests.....

 

[cronjecj]

Wine comes from the "fruit of the vine," ie grapes, obviously. Second, if Jesus and the Apostles did drink grape juice at the Last Supper, why did NO church in Christian history celebrate the Eucharist using grape juice, but rather wine, until the temperance movement of the 1800s?

Yea good question ey?

Was it the scripture that said wine or was it man eventually?

 

[cronjecj]

I attend New Life Tabernacle, its a holiness pentecostal Church. The Church gathers in the prayer room 1/2 hour before service begins. Our praise is very lively and we have one good Pastor, and the elders are second to none.

I enjoy the presence of God, and love him dearly. I am active in ministry and conduct Nursing Home services twice a month, I love picking up people for Church, and I am thankful that he saved me from such a horrible life, Like the Apostle Peter said: Its joy unspeakable and full of glory.

that sounds great sir. However i don't like too many people around me.

i love talking about God with a friend or even a total stranger but i don't
know im not just that crazy about churches and big ministries, ive tried
it before though.

sometimes it feels that im the only one in the world that rejects this idea
but there are plenty that feels this way too.

Things done in secret is better

 

[cronjecj]

it was wine and not grape juice...all grape juice would have been spoiled by passover...

Hi Rachel

How do you know for sure that it was actually wine and not juice.

..and what do you mean all juices would have been spoiled by passover?

 

[cronjecj]

those that are born again of the Spirit and are circumcised of the heart are priests.....

..was about to say the same thing.

Followers of Christ are kings and priest of the most high (spiritually) Revelation 1:6 (KJV)

 

[NickInCali]

Yea good question ey?

Was it the scripture that said wine or was it man eventually?

LOL eventually? You mean the first century, when the Apostles were still alive? Doesn't that kinda suggest to you that the use of grape juice might be an innovation, not of apostolic origin?

The Eucharist has always been celebrated with wine because of its connection to the Passover meal, which always included wine. If you suggested to an ancient Jew that they should celebrate the Passover meal with grape juice, they would laugh in your face (if they didn't slap you first).

 

[NickInCali]

An additional piece of Biblical background for the celebration of the Eucharist with wine and bread is related to the priest Melchizedek, who blessed Abram but is not mentioned sacrificing any animals (as would be typical), but rather he, "brought out bread and wine." (Gen. 14:18) Jesus Christ is said to be a priest in the order of Mechizedek forever. (see Hebrews 5-7) Thus, the re-presentation of His sacrifice as the Lamb of God is done with bread and wine.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Hi Rachel

How do you know for sure that it was actually wine and not juice.

..and what do you mean all juices would have been spoiled by passover?

wine is the established passover drink...not grape juice...

passover was many months after the grape harvest...and they didn't have refrigerators back then...so any grapes or grape juice would have spoiled by passover...

 

[cronjecj]