Body and Blood

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AnandaHya

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rodogg said:
In the same way that we come to know Jesus at some point in our lives, through time spent before the Blessed Sacrament of the Eucharist, I have come to know that Jesus is truely and definitely present there, as have many many people. You should try and see. I don't think you should say "it ISN'T", as you may come to regret that at some point. But I respect your beliefs. God bless. :)

Also, maybe you think I place all my trust in receiving Communion, hoping it will save my soul: I don't! I try to follow Jesus, through his words and actions, and I try my best not to sin. Communion is my spiritual food.
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you may find Jesus present because when two or three are gathered in His name He is present.

Prayer and the Bible are my spiritual food. I pray daily for God to give me my bread and thank Him for it and ask that He lead and keep me from temptation and deliver me from evil and help me forgive others as He has forgiven me.

I don't take communion every day, but I feel a lack in my life if I have not heard one hymn or one scripture verse between sunrise and sunset. His Holy Spirit is my Light and His blood washes me clean. His Holy Word is the water that I drink and it is my spiritual food. I find nourishment from the Bread of His body: His holy Church and the love of His disciples for one another.

Actually I was hoping you would tell me you place your trust in JESUS and HIS saving atoning work on the cross and count all your own efforts as filthy rags. that you do not follow Jesus because you place your hope in your actions but because you have fAITH IN Jesus that you are saved.
 
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prophecyman

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cronjecj said:
Good to know, was just doing the testing and that's how we all learn right (by asking questions)?

any questions for me PM?
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What assembly do you attend, who's your Pastor?
 
dscherck

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cronjecj said:
The thing here is that Jesus was God even before He was born from the womb of Mary.

God is Jesus Christ that went into the womb of Mary.

God is not the body (flesh) of Jesus Christ but the very soul of God in the body of Jesus Christ.

Well what im trying to say here is that Jesus Christ WAS before Mary even existed, so how can Mary be God's mother?
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So you're saying that Jesus isn't both God and Man? That His flesh wasn't really His?

Tell me then WHO is Mary's son?
 
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dscherck said:
So you're saying that Jesus isn't both God and Man? That His flesh wasn't really His?

Tell me then WHO is Mary's son?
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Matthew 12:46-50 (KJV)

While he yet talked to the people, behold,
his mother and his brethren stood without,
desiring to speak with him. Then one said
unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy
brethren stand without, desiring to
speak with thee.

But he answered and said unto him that told him,
Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his
disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my
brethren!


For whosoever shall do the will of my Father
which is in heaven, the same is my brother,
and sister, and mother.


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God does not have a mother because God is a Spirit
and was before anyone even existed thus He is not
a created entity. God became flesh (Jesus Christ)
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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rodogg said:
Uh-oh, controversyyyyy :p

Anywho, I know most people on here aren't Catholic, so I may post the odd thread on Catholic beliefs or questions regarding Catholicism. Not doing it to start an all out WAR, just for debate purposes :p

So firstly: We believe that during the Mass the priest transforms the bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus.

Jesus said: "He that eats my flesh, and drinks my blood, dwells in me, and I in him." John 6:56

And there are various other Bible verses similar to this. I know I will be told that this is not to be taken literally, but that seems like choosing what you want to be literal or not.

Thoughts.
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i think it is very possible that it is jesus' actual body and blood...but i don't think roman catholic priests have magical powers to produce the change... they are priests...not wizards...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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dscherck said:
Mary IS the mother of God. It's very simple.

Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Jesus is God.
Hence, Mary is the mother of God. To deny her that title is to deny Jesus is God.
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technically the title 'mother of God' is only intended to make a correct statement about jesus' deity...but i have to say it is possibly the worst way of articulating a doctrine in the whole history of christianity...it practically encourages misinterpretation and blasphemy...
 
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AnandaHya

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cronjecj said:

Matthew 12:46-50 (KJV)

While he yet talked to the people, behold,
his mother and his brethren stood without,
desiring to speak with him. Then one said
unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy
brethren stand without, desiring to
speak with thee.

But he answered and said unto him that told him,
Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his
disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my
brethren!


For whosoever shall do the will of my Father
which is in heaven, the same is my brother,
and sister, and mother.


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God does not have a mother because God is a Spirit
and was before anyone even existed thus He is not
a created entity. God became flesh (Jesus Christ)
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......

Spiritual children versus Flesh children

who is your spiritual Father?

Can you even have a spiritual mother? I haven't read any verses about that one.

Mary gave birth to the FLESH that served as a temple for GOD who is the man we call Jesus.

Matthew 6

25 “Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing?

is not a person more than his or her body? For what is the difference between life and death of the body if it not the presence of the spirit within?

Our children are not ours to keep but they are God's little ones entrusted to our care. Even if they came from our flesh, it was not us that gave them life. It is not us but God who creates, who is our Father.

what did Jesus say to the woman who would bless Mary for being His mother?

Luke 11

27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!”
28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
 
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NickInCali

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cronjecj said:
Show scripture that says the drinking of wine
in remembrance of the Lord..
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Wine comes from the "fruit of the vine," ie grapes, obviously. Second, if Jesus and the Apostles did drink grape juice at the Last Supper, why did NO church in Christian history celebrate the Eucharist using grape juice, but rather wine, until the temperance movement of the 1800s?
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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it was wine and not grape juice...all grape juice would have been spoiled by passover...
 
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prophecyman

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cronjecj said:
i do not attend to any assembly, you?
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I attend New Life Tabernacle, its a holiness pentecostal Church. The Church gathers in the prayer room 1/2 hour before service begins. Our praise is very lively and we have one good Pastor, and the elders are second to none.

I enjoy the presence of God, and love him dearly. I am active in ministry and conduct Nursing Home services twice a month, I love picking up people for Church, and I am thankful that he saved me from such a horrible life, Like the Apostle Peter said: Its joy unspeakable and full of glory.
 
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rodogg

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dscherck said:
Actually, it's not the priest who transforms the bread and wine into the Body and Blood, it's the Holy Spirit.
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Of course, sorry I wasn't going into detail there, the priest by the power of the Holy Spirit... Is that better? :p
 
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rodogg

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RachelBibleStudent said:
i think it is very possible that it is jesus' actual body and blood...but i don't think roman catholic priests have magical powers to produce the change... they are priests...not wizards...
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Nobody is saying they are wizards with magical powers. They are our representatives of Jesus on earth, and by the power of the Holy Spirit, not "magic", they transform the bread and wine. Any person cannot just take bread and wine and decide to change it, priests are given that power from God.
 
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rodogg

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By the way could we NOT get into Mary in this thread, let's just stick to the body and blood as the title states: I may open a thread on Mary in the future, or someone else is welcome to do so. Thanks! :)
 
dscherck

dscherck

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cronjecj said:

Matthew 12:46-50 (KJV)

While he yet talked to the people, behold,
his mother and his brethren stood without,
desiring to speak with him. Then one said
unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy
brethren stand without, desiring to
speak with thee.

But he answered and said unto him that told him,
Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his
disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my
brethren!


For whosoever shall do the will of my Father
which is in heaven, the same is my brother,
and sister, and mother.


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God does not have a mother because God is a Spirit
and was before anyone even existed thus He is not
a created entity. God became flesh (Jesus Christ)
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And that flesh has a mother. Mary.

Mary IS the mother of God. You can deny it all you want, but you're denigrating the Son by doing so.
 
dscherck

dscherck

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rodogg said:
Of course, sorry I wasn't going into detail there, the priest by the power of the Holy Spirit... Is that better? :p
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Not even that really. The Holy Spirit works through the offering by the priest. But the priest merely offers the bread and wine. The transformation is done exclusively through God's acceptance of the sacrifice.
 
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rodogg

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dscherck said:
Not even that really. The Holy Spirit works through the offering by the priest. But the priest merely offers the bread and wine. The transformation is done exclusively through God's acceptance of the sacrifice.
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But without the presence of the priest it cannot happen. You can't ignore his importance.
 
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AnandaHya

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now you have to ask yourself WHO are the priests of God?

Those with the outward trappings or the inward circumcision?
 
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Ronin

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Yeah your right wine isnt mentioned..darn it my bad. So that means its grape juice.. Hmmmm. Ok now well so when Christ said this IS my body and this is my BLOOD? Mary by the way is the mother of the most High. The Messiah. She a direct dissendant of the House of Arron. The virgin mother who was proclaimed in the Prophecy. At his death she suffered. A woman told Jesus your mother must be blessed and he agreed. Oh that wasn't symbolic that was truth too. And he also said those that believe in God are even more blessed. Ive heard it say the Deciples are all dead.Who are the saints who worship the Throne of the Most high in the Book of Revalation? Or is that symbolic. Catholic Docrtine people is Christian Doctrine. The bible the new testiment as you see it was complied by them. Theology as a practice is a Catholic creation. Stop this idotic bashing and Lets show LOVE
 
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NickInCali

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AnandaHya said:
now you have to ask yourself WHO are the priests of God?

Those with the outward trappings or the inward circumcision?
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Priests do not ordain themselves, as so often (in practice) happens among Protestants who start their own churches. They are appointed by those who are already part of the clergy in the Church, as the Apostles commanded.
Second, inward or spiritual circumcision is wrought by Baptism (Col. 2), and all priests are obviously baptized.
 
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