Satan was bound since the first advent
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Revelation 12:7-9 (KJV)
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels
fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought
and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their
place found any more in heaven. And the great
dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the
Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:
he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were
cast out with him.
..this event happened after Jesus was caught up unto
God's throne. Revelation 12:5 (KJV)
....after defeating Satan at the cross (we no longer live
in bondage to sin) His Spirit was caught up into Heaven
and threw Satan out for good.
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels
fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought
and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their
place found any more in heaven. And the great
dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the
Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:
he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were
cast out with him.
..this event happened after Jesus was caught up unto
God's throne. Revelation 12:5 (KJV)
....after defeating Satan at the cross (we no longer live
in bondage to sin) His Spirit was caught up into Heaven
and threw Satan out for good.
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Good question. But for now, satan still has access to Heaven and God:
Rev 12:10) And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now[ after satan is thrown out for good ] the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God.
Rev 12:10) And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, "Now[ after satan is thrown out for good ] the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God.
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Revelation is not in chronological order. Verses 1-6 go together then verses 7-17. 1-6 takes us from the time of creation to the 1260 days then 7-17 takes us from the time of Satan being kicked out of heaven before creation of the earth to beyond the 1260 days, notice that the 1260 days are mentioned twice in Revelation 12 that is because there is two sets of info of the same ground. Prophecy often does this gives some info then goes back over the same ground with more info.
This has been discussed enough, over and over, without anything profitable. You seem to be a little double-minded about this and lost now that some are no longer with us. Go write your book, you will never edify the body of Christ with it. Believers need sound doctrine and not all these positions about what could be. Do God a favor and don't write it, then you will do more to edify by keeping quiet. It is not important to me that we agree because we have a different premise in our heart for the truth and how we worship the Lord Jesus Christ. Be on your way and do your own thing and if God justifies you then you will have praise of God.
Originally Posted by Abiding
Red your entire post here is private interpretation and full of spite and namecalling. To engage in dialogue
over eschatology can be a beautiful thing. Until someone starts calling people names...like foolish or like
stiffnecked. I could write a book on premil, postmil, and soon amil. And till i find a position im comfortable
with...i will humbly dialogue...in the meantime i spose ill put up with your bitterness and namecalling which is probably due to what? Too much eyesalve? Liveletter? You didnt answer any of my questions by the way.
But then your not here to discuss the bible are you?
Red your entire post here is private interpretation and full of spite and namecalling. To engage in dialogue
over eschatology can be a beautiful thing. Until someone starts calling people names...like foolish or like
stiffnecked. I could write a book on premil, postmil, and soon amil. And till i find a position im comfortable
with...i will humbly dialogue...in the meantime i spose ill put up with your bitterness and namecalling which is probably due to what? Too much eyesalve? Liveletter? You didnt answer any of my questions by the way.
But then your not here to discuss the bible are you?
I think thats a little insulting to Red? He was very polite. That is a false accusation. You are the one getting nastier and turn it around..That is disturbing... What have you got against Red?
and suddenly you have so much knowledge about religion and beliefs than when you first came on. I find that intriguing. How did you learn't so much, so fast and learn to use your tongue and not the word as a weapon to cut?
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lol you don't have a clue who Abiding is or what he believes.
why do you feel the need to insult him and defend Red?
Red is and intelligent man who is quite capable of inserting his own jabs whenever he feels the need.
want to see how Red is being insulting? give me a minute.....I just ignored them before because I thought they were pretty obvious and petty.
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in this Post, Red has called Abiding: Double minded, lost without Zone, and told him he would never edify the church and would be doing God a favor if he just be quiet.
So Journey, if I told you the same thing
that you are double minded, and that doctrinally you have no truth from God and could never edify anyone but should do better being quiet, would you find that insulting?
Truthfully we don't agree on much of doctrine but you desire that people read the Bible and study and pray and seek God's truth themselves. In that I see God placing such desire in you even if we do not agree on what God and the Bible is really saying.
Therefore, I would not say such things to you but do you see my point?
why do you not rebuke Red for his words?
So Journey, if I told you the same thing
that you are double minded, and that doctrinally you have no truth from God and could never edify anyone but should do better being quiet, would you find that insulting?
Truthfully we don't agree on much of doctrine but you desire that people read the Bible and study and pray and seek God's truth themselves. In that I see God placing such desire in you even if we do not agree on what God and the Bible is really saying.
Therefore, I would not say such things to you but do you see my point?
why do you not rebuke Red for his words?
The six thousand year old age of the earth theory was formulated by Anglican Archbishop James Usher, who in 1654 placed the date of the creation as 4004 B.C.
The good bishop clearly stated the limitations of his method, which were based on four assumptions. These were the following:
1. There are no undated verses in the biblical account.
2. There are no missing people in the biblical geneologies.
3. The genealogies were all written in chronological order.
4. No historical period is missing from the bible.
All of these assumptions appear to be incorrect, which renders his method unreliable and baseless.
1. There are many undated verses in the bible, beginning with Gen. 1:1.
2. Genealogies are given to confirm lines of descent, and not to calculate time or chronology. For example, the genealogy in Matthew 1 is missing many of the generations. Also, Esra 7:3 lists Azariah the son of Meraioth, yet Chronicles 6:6-10 adds six more fathers and sons between the two. Most authors who have studied the bible have recognized obvious gaps in the genealogies. The lengths of these gaps is very much open to controversy.
3. Finally, the assumption that no period is missing is also false. The period between the old and new testaments is an obvious example.
I am assuming that you are being factious in saying that the earth is six thousand years old. It would be difficult in this day and age, to find someone who can ignore the tremendous wealth of empirical data disputing that belief, and still believe it.
The good bishop clearly stated the limitations of his method, which were based on four assumptions. These were the following:
1. There are no undated verses in the biblical account.
2. There are no missing people in the biblical geneologies.
3. The genealogies were all written in chronological order.
4. No historical period is missing from the bible.
All of these assumptions appear to be incorrect, which renders his method unreliable and baseless.
1. There are many undated verses in the bible, beginning with Gen. 1:1.
2. Genealogies are given to confirm lines of descent, and not to calculate time or chronology. For example, the genealogy in Matthew 1 is missing many of the generations. Also, Esra 7:3 lists Azariah the son of Meraioth, yet Chronicles 6:6-10 adds six more fathers and sons between the two. Most authors who have studied the bible have recognized obvious gaps in the genealogies. The lengths of these gaps is very much open to controversy.
3. Finally, the assumption that no period is missing is also false. The period between the old and new testaments is an obvious example.
I am assuming that you are being factious in saying that the earth is six thousand years old. It would be difficult in this day and age, to find someone who can ignore the tremendous wealth of empirical data disputing that belief, and still believe it.
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not sure if I want to ask but what spirits were bound during the time of Noah and do you have scripture for it?
1 Peter 3
18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us[e] to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited[f] in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.
1 Peter 3:20 NU-Text and M-Text read when the longsuffering of God waited patiently.
interesting this must be where people get the Jesus preaching in hell doctrine from... hm...I believe "prison" refers to being enslaved to sin and the lies and deception of Satan.
the longsuffering is God waiting to destroy the world for the sake of saving some by bring them to a state of godly sorrow and repentance that leads to faith and baptism just as Noah was saved by the ark.
1 Peter 3
18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us[e] to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited[f] in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.
1 Peter 3:20 NU-Text and M-Text read when the longsuffering of God waited patiently.
interesting this must be where people get the Jesus preaching in hell doctrine from... hm...I believe "prison" refers to being enslaved to sin and the lies and deception of Satan.
the longsuffering is God waiting to destroy the world for the sake of saving some by bring them to a state of godly sorrow and repentance that leads to faith and baptism just as Noah was saved by the ark.
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I believe the bible teaches there are imprisoned devil spirits.
Ever hear of the Nephilim?
Truth Or Tradition - The Nephilim: What does the Bible / Scripture say about them? Genesis 6
(this is an article, not an mp3.)
Ever hear of the Nephilim?
Truth Or Tradition - The Nephilim: What does the Bible / Scripture say about them? Genesis 6
(this is an article, not an mp3.)