Red Flags: Warning Warning you currently have gnostic wolves in your midst

tribesman · Dec 5, 2011

I'm sorry you cannot see that the only thing that makes the difference between heaven and hell for a sinner is the person and work of Christ alone. You are obviously ignorant about this. Ignorant about the righteousness of God, revealed in the gospel.

shroom2 said:

You say this because I don't agree with your opinion about tongues. I am not surprised though for such nonsense seeing what you say about the most important and crucial issues. I hope you will repent.

systemdown101 · Dec 6, 2011

ada said:

RachelBibleStudent said:

Okay, here we go. And this is just the short list ...

The word "Jew" originally comes to us from the name/tribe of Judah. Gen 49: 10 says "The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, until Shiloh comes; And to Him shall be the obedience of the people." So, the Messiah must come from Judah. His earthly parents had to be descended from David, also a Jew from the tribe of Judah, and one of His titles was "Son of David". Matthew 2:2 says ""Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the east and have come to worship Him." His aunt Elizabeth was Jewish (a descendant of Aaron, Moses' brother) and His uncle Zacharia was a Jewish priest. Luke 2:21 says he was circumsized "And when eight days were completed for the circumcision of the Child, His name was called Yeshua, the name given by the angel before He was conceived in the womb."

He was born in Bethlehem, but raised in Nazareth, both of which were Jewish towns. He observed Passover every year according to Luke 2:41: "His parents went to Jerusalem every year at the Feast of the Passover." A Samaritan woman easily recognized He was a Jew. John 4:9: "Then the woman of Samaria said to Him, "How is it that You, being a Jew, ask a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?"

But if you really want to drive an anti-semite nuts, try quoting John 4:22 ""You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews." where He identifies Himself with the Jews. Or this one from Revelations 5:5 where in the future he is still identified with one of the tribes of Israel: "But one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep. Behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has prevailed to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals." And you know, if someone says, "But we're spiritual Jews," then say "Okay, what tribe? Benjamin? Dan? Levi? How do you know which one?"

Messing with an anti-semites mind. It's so easy.

Wonderland · Dec 6, 2011

What will you say when you stand before God and all your "flawed beliefs" are shown to you? He will say, "I wanted to show you more of me, but you were so stuck on this silly idea that you completely missed ME!" What will you have to say for yourself then?

Personally, I seek to know God the best that I can, but there is so much I will never know, nor would I stake my salvation on, nor would I condemn or criticize another's beliefs if they were different than the limited infantile knowledge I am privelaged to have. Really, in view of who God IS--in all the complexity and splendour and majesty, we sit down here in front of our computers and make bold statements of what we KNOW to be true, while another genuine-hearted Christian makes statements of what he KNOWS to be true, and both statements are complete contradictions... or are they? There are so many doctrines when, upon close inspection, are both right. Example: predestination and free will; Trinity and Son of God; and so many more. We put our ideas into boxes because we are human and can't understand the hugeness of it all, but really, God is so far outside of our box we can't even fathom it. So stop berating your brothers and sisters for having different understandings than you. We ALL will have to stand in front of God and explain why we held to silly incomplete doctrines instead of truly searching for HIM.

I think God's happiest when we say, "I'm pretty sure this is how it is, but if you want to show me something different I'm open to YOU God. And I won't berate my spiritual siblings if you show them something a little different. After all, you do have the capacity to be so much bigger than my miniscule understanding and I love that about you."

Be blessed.

Laodicea · Dec 6, 2011

Should we be surprised that there are wolves in sheep's clothing
Matthew 7:15
(15) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

We are to pray for them
Matthew 5:44
(44) But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Only Christ can help them understand
Luke 24:45
(45) Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

cronjecj · Dec 6, 2011

shroom2 said:

Hi, BW,
No, I do not. He was not "incarnated". "Incarnation" is not a biblical term, it is a religious term. Christ was born like every other man. I believe the bible teaches that Jesus Christ was, and still is, a 100% human being fathered by God. The difference between him and any other man is that God is his father, which means he was not born with a sin nature like every other man. Adam did not have sin in his blood either, until he sinned. Jesus Christ is the second Adam. (see Romans 5) The first Adam chose to sin and blew it for everyone. The second Adam chose to obey, and is fixing everything (for those who believe on him).

a jehova's witness would say this.

cronjecj · Dec 6, 2011

shroom2 said:

That's what the bible says. See:
1 Cor 8:6)But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Eph 4:
4) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6) One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Rom 1:7) To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 1:3) Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Cor 1:2) Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Gal 1:3) Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,

Eph 1:2) Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

.....

I see a pattern. Do you?

The Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God. A man.

who is speaking to John in Rev 1:18?

Jesus? God?

cronjecj · Dec 6, 2011

shroom2 said:

i can also pick scriptures, John 1:1, John 1:14.

AnandaHya · Dec 6, 2011

Laodicea said:

no its not surprising and we should pray for them but we should also warn people and tell them the True gospel and hope they repent and turn to God.

Here's a handbook to being a wolf:

DENY DENY DENY that JESUS IS GOD!

If that doesn't work then teach works Salvation and DENY His atonement work on the Cross for the remission of sins, make people think they have to work for it and place their faith in their works instead of JESUS CHRIST.

IF that doesn't work see if you can get them to accept other books like the Gospel of Barnabas or the Gospel of Judas or the Book of Enoch or the Koran or the Bhavagad Gita, or the Buddhist Suttras as revealed words of GOD.

IF they still don't buy it then teach postmodern acceptance and tolerance so they will leave you alone. then find a new victim who is not rooted and mature in Christ and is able to be swayed by doctrines of men.

tribesman · Dec 6, 2011

AnandaHya said:

Your point is certainly taken. Besides it is against the rules here at cc to deny the deity of Christ. Those that persist doing so in their posts will be "dealt with" after a time, according to one of the admins. Should serve as a reminder, and warning, to those that continually spawn these contentions.

Admins thread on discussions:

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...t-vibrant-heated-discussions-please-read.html <- link

AnandaHya · Dec 6, 2011

tribesman said:

yeah I just get tired being told that I'm unloving, mean and unChristlike for pointing out that their beliefs are not Biblical and if you don't believe that Jesus is God then we are worshiping a different Jesus and believe in a different Christ. it doesn't mean that morally you are not a good person. but so are some muslims and buddhist.

Besides people seem not to click that link you posted and actually read the rules and pretend like they never got the warning.

In the real world when you are cruising along at 55 mph through on of those small towns and miss the drop speed limit signs. Does the police officer ever accept the excuse "I didn't know the speed limit was 35 sir" or do you still get the speeding ticket?

I guess it could be like this parable:

Luke 13:6-9
New King James Version (NKJV)

6 He also spoke this parable: “A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none. 7 Then he said to the keeper of his vineyard, ‘Look, for three years I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree and find none. Cut it down; why does it use up the ground?’ 8 But he answered and said to him, ‘Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and fertilize it. 9 And if it bears fruit, well. But if not, after that[a] you can cut it down.’”

cronjecj · Dec 6, 2011

AnandaHya said:

Luke 6:22 sis

well your siggi says it all.

Luke 6:26
Woe to you when all men speak well of you, For so did their fathers to the false prophets..

Rejoice.

tribesman · Dec 6, 2011

AnandaHya said:

See what your saying now (good one about fertilizing/spawning). Surely there is a limit even here. If one is into the strong delusion of denying the deity of Christ and is not showing any signs to even learn about it, but contentiously insist on their folly, then what is there to discuss?

I quote admin 1still_waters:

So to you gnostics, arians and other deniers of the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ, go ahead with your heresies and contentions if you will, but be not surprised if your history at cc is soon over.

shroom2 · Dec 6, 2011

tribesman said:

If it happens, so be it. I will not change what I believe the bible says so I can remain on this web forum. Kinda reminds me of what will happen in the trib for those refusing to "take the mark of the beast".

"YOU WILL PROFESS TO BELIEVE AS WE DICTATE OR BE BANNED".

I do not want to be banned, but I won't compromise on the truth of God's word.

AnandaHya · Dec 6, 2011

2 Thessalonians 3

6 But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he[a] received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you ought to follow us, for we were not disorderly among you; 8 nor did we eat anyone’s bread free of charge, but worked with labor and toil night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you, 9 not because we do not have authority, but to make ourselves an example of how you should follow us.
10 For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat. 11 For we hear that there are some who walk among you in a disorderly manner, not working at all, but are busybodies. 12 Now those who are such we command and exhort through our Lord Jesus Christ that they work in quietness and eat their own bread.
13 But as for you, brethren, do not grow weary in doing good. 14 And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. 15 Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

it talks about lazy people but its nicer then this one:

2 Corinthians 11

1 Oh, that you would bear with me in a little folly—and indeed you do bear with me. 2 For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity[a] that is in Christ. 4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!

12 But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast. 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

Laodicea · Dec 6, 2011

AnandaHya said:

Yes I agree that people should be warned
2 Timothy 4:2-3
(2) Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
(3) For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
Ephesians 5:11
(11) And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

The antichrist works within the church, the temple in Thess is the church, the anti means in place of. The antichrist is someone in place of Christ, instead of going to Christ people go to the priest for forgiveness, the antichrist has false doctrine in place of the true, the antichrist has a false sabbath in place of the true.
Daniel 11:31
(31) And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

The abomination of desolation sets up a false system in place of the true

shroom2 · Dec 6, 2011

Laodicea said:

The question remains, what is sound doctrine?

Many here profess the trinity. A few do not. Who is right?

Some here say we must keep the sabbath, some do not. Who is right?

Many here are Calvinists, many are not. Who is right?

Many here think we are living the end of the book of Revelation, some do not. Who is right?

Some here believe the "gifts" have stopped, some do not. Who is right?

Many here believe death is a "separation". Some believe death is death. Who is right?

-ALL- of us claim to base what we believe on the bible. As do I.

I love it when a couple of people who happen to believe the same start talking about everyone else as being "sheep in wolves clothing". Are you so damned sure you're right that you feel justified condemning those who don't believe as you do to being the antichrist?

Pride and ignorance abounds.

iamsoandso · Dec 6, 2011

i dont mean to "steal post" so i say only this one,,,,,,,"dont,dont,dont go to occuoy wallstreet post",,,,,,,,,,youll fill out forms for three hours,you will not know who is the chief in charge,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and they "pick",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,out your information,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"its you sighning up for the big brother knows who you are club" and at the end you need your credit card for a charge of "72.95",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,your telling them "who you are",,,,,,,,,,,,if you look at the "occupy wall street movement" please forgive me i searched for wolves in sheep clothes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,found you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i dont know how to post a 'subject to warn the people",,,,,,,,,you do it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,big brother organized the "occupy wallstreet" movement to,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"take your names"

iamsoandso · Dec 6, 2011

today is 12,6,2011 "i amsoandso",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"soandso",,,,,,,recearch ows,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,get out run,,,,,,,,,,,,,ill quote the agenda to you,,,,,,,,,,they highjacked the cause

iamsoandso · Dec 6, 2011

i always told them "dont through rocks",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,look at the "pronunciation marks"and the "commas',,,,,,,,,,you know me, it's my mark

iamsoandso · Dec 6, 2011

occupy wall street is over,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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