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yes, people are depraved, but they are not born as sinners.
Cain was of the evil one because his deeds were evil, not because he was born a sinner (1 John 3:12)
we are not held responsible for the sins of the father, but for our own sins (Ezekiel 18)
OUR sins have departed us from God, not Adam's (Isaiah 59:1-2)
God made man UPRIGHT (not sinful), but MAN sought out others things, they weren't born that way (Ecclesiastes 7:29)
Adam and eve were created innocent, but chose to sin (Genesis 2-3)
sin is committed by breaking God's law (1 John 3:4) babies have not broken God's law yet
gentiles by nature do what is in the law (Romans 2:14-16)
we are not born with hereditary sin
Cain was of the evil one because his deeds were evil, not because he was born a sinner (1 John 3:12)
we are not held responsible for the sins of the father, but for our own sins (Ezekiel 18)
OUR sins have departed us from God, not Adam's (Isaiah 59:1-2)
God made man UPRIGHT (not sinful), but MAN sought out others things, they weren't born that way (Ecclesiastes 7:29)
Adam and eve were created innocent, but chose to sin (Genesis 2-3)
sin is committed by breaking God's law (1 John 3:4) babies have not broken God's law yet
gentiles by nature do what is in the law (Romans 2:14-16)
we are not born with hereditary sin
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The word "for" means "because of" not "in order to obtain". These men were "pricked" in the heart. A heart that has already been changed in the new birth is the only heart that can be pricked. When Stephen was preaching the same thing that Peter was in acts the men were "cut to the heart" and stoned him. On the road to Damaskas Jesus told Paul he was kicking against the pricks (he was already born again and was converted on the road. There is a salvation in baptism but it is not eternal, it is a deliverance from a guilty conscience,1 Pet 3:21.
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Not so, eternally-grateful, all scripture harmonises. Repentance will save (deliver) you but not eternally. When one of God's children repent of a sin that they have committed and God forgives them, they are delivered from the effect of that sin. Our believing in God will give us many salvations (deliverances) as we sojourn in this life. It all boils down to the fact that we are saved eternally by the grace of God without the help of man. God gets all the credit and man gets none! Many people desire to exhalt themselves unstead of giving God the glory.
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Tell that to the man who commited fornication. and repented. and still suffered the result (a child born out of wedlock, or a life as a single father) or the man who drinks for along time and comes to God and repents, but the damage is done and he dies of liver cancer.
where do you get this stuff from>??
a man who is "saved" has eternal life. they are saved forever. there is no "pre-salvation" your either saved or your not
where do you get this stuff from>??
a man who is "saved" has eternal life. they are saved forever. there is no "pre-salvation" your either saved or your not
In relationship to the effects of sin, it also has to do with the conscience being purged. These things you have mentioned may take place down the road through a reaping and sowing law because of our bodies of sin and death and because of all the dynamics involved with our humanity and various institutions that man has been involved throughout his life volitionally. However, when we have been forgiven and cleansed from sin, our relationship to God and our fellowship with Him is restored no matter what we may reap down the road. God will work that together for the good and reveal His goodness to us despite our wicked sin and terrible judgments.
God will never despise a humble and contrite heart even though we have put our life and the life of others through terrible ordeals. The flesh wants revenge and the person to pay through justice, saying that is what they deserve, but God provides mercy and grace through His justice to bring redemption into the lives of those that have been effected by sin and all of its terrible effects. This is what Christ came to do for totally depraved and sinful man through regeneration, reconciliation and redemption. Sometimes we judge God's mercy and grace and call it the sin of being unjust because we think that justice was not served in a given situation and we want people to pay for their sin and mistakes and when that does not happen we get upset and hold grudges. Think about that for awhile.
God will never despise a humble and contrite heart even though we have put our life and the life of others through terrible ordeals. The flesh wants revenge and the person to pay through justice, saying that is what they deserve, but God provides mercy and grace through His justice to bring redemption into the lives of those that have been effected by sin and all of its terrible effects. This is what Christ came to do for totally depraved and sinful man through regeneration, reconciliation and redemption. Sometimes we judge God's mercy and grace and call it the sin of being unjust because we think that justice was not served in a given situation and we want people to pay for their sin and mistakes and when that does not happen we get upset and hold grudges. Think about that for awhile.
if we are born sinners, then God must be a sinner because man was created in the image of God (Genesis 1 :26 and many other passages)
romans 5:12
It says death comes because we HAVE SINNED. The word "sinned" is an action verb. This means we have an active part in our own demise. Sin is something we DO ourselves. Sin is an act we commit. We are not born condemned. The act of Adam gave men the choice to sin because sin was not present. Adam had the choice whether to obey or not obey God. He had two options: obedience or disobedience. God gave us a free will. Adam chose the wrong path and so did we at some point in our life.
ephesians 2:2-3
t is clear from reading the verses that before we were saved, we were "dead in trespasses and sins." People like to misquote the verse by saying we are all "born dead in trespasses and sins." That it NOT what the Bible says.
Trespasses and sins are in the plural form. Now some will say it refers back to Adam. How does that refer to Adam's trespass (singular)? Where in the passage does that refer us back to the time of Adam's sin? You say, "Well, it refers to spiritual death, because when Adam sinned, he died spiritually and we have all inherited his sinful nature; therefore, we are all born in trespasses and sins." Well, where in Ephesians 2:1 does it tell you all that?
Where in the above verse does it say we are "BORN dead in trespasses and sins?" Where does it mention Adam, Adam's sin, or us inheriting the guilt of Adam's sin?
Simply put: They were dead because of sins in which they once walked" (v2), and conducted themselves in the lusts of the flesh (v3).
This contradicts inherited depravity and proves our position, that people are in sin because of their own conduct, not Adam's conduct.
"Nature" here refers to a person's character which comes as a result of repeated practice, not by inheritance. What do you do with Rom. 2:14 where it says some people by nature obey God's will? The false doctrine of total depravity says that is impossible.
ps.52:3 says "has turned aside", or "become corrupt"... not that they were born that way.
nowhere does it say they were born sinners
romans 5:12
It says death comes because we HAVE SINNED. The word "sinned" is an action verb. This means we have an active part in our own demise. Sin is something we DO ourselves. Sin is an act we commit. We are not born condemned. The act of Adam gave men the choice to sin because sin was not present. Adam had the choice whether to obey or not obey God. He had two options: obedience or disobedience. God gave us a free will. Adam chose the wrong path and so did we at some point in our life.
ephesians 2:2-3
t is clear from reading the verses that before we were saved, we were "dead in trespasses and sins." People like to misquote the verse by saying we are all "born dead in trespasses and sins." That it NOT what the Bible says.
Trespasses and sins are in the plural form. Now some will say it refers back to Adam. How does that refer to Adam's trespass (singular)? Where in the passage does that refer us back to the time of Adam's sin? You say, "Well, it refers to spiritual death, because when Adam sinned, he died spiritually and we have all inherited his sinful nature; therefore, we are all born in trespasses and sins." Well, where in Ephesians 2:1 does it tell you all that?
Where in the above verse does it say we are "BORN dead in trespasses and sins?" Where does it mention Adam, Adam's sin, or us inheriting the guilt of Adam's sin?
Simply put: They were dead because of sins in which they once walked" (v2), and conducted themselves in the lusts of the flesh (v3).
This contradicts inherited depravity and proves our position, that people are in sin because of their own conduct, not Adam's conduct.
"Nature" here refers to a person's character which comes as a result of repeated practice, not by inheritance. What do you do with Rom. 2:14 where it says some people by nature obey God's will? The false doctrine of total depravity says that is impossible.
ps.52:3 says "has turned aside", or "become corrupt"... not that they were born that way.
nowhere does it say they were born sinners
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While I will agree that every person born of Eve is born into sin, that does not mean that God created mankind to be sinners. Yes, the depravity (ie. selfishness) of man does exist however, if a person be truly born again of the divine nature which is the Holy Spirit, then depravity SHOULD BE a temporary state. This is why Jesus came and gave His life, that the fellowship between God and man be restored.
In John, Jesus tells us to abide in the vine which is Christ. Throughout the epistles, both John the Apostle Paul and John teaches us to walk in the Spirit. One who follows after the Holy Spirit need not sin. However, when one takes his or her eyes off of the divine nature and indulges their own selfish desires (ie. the flesh), that person has fallen into sin. Unfortunately, all but Christ are guilty of giving into selfishness (ie. depravity) however, when we do sin, He is quick to forgive those who humble themselves and repent of their selfishness.
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All that Christ died for on the cross are saved eternally. He died for those that God gave him, which was his elect that he choose before the foundation of the world, and they are saved eternally and will never lose their eternal salvation. While God's elect, those who are eternally saved, live here in this world, will at times do terriable and sinful things. God chastens those that he loves when they do things contrary to his will. I can't recall book and verse, but there is a scripture that says the day of our death is better than the day of our birth. For the elect death is a good thing.
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the world everyone is born into is sinful and has not been born again, therefore people are corrupted by the world and those around them.
Children are born selfish and thinking of no one but themselves.
Do children care about following the commandments of God or do they need to be taught them?
being held blameless and being sinless are two totally different but related things. Zechariah was blameless only Jesus was sinless.
Children are born selfish and thinking of no one but themselves.
Do children care about following the commandments of God or do they need to be taught them?
being held blameless and being sinless are two totally different but related things. Zechariah was blameless only Jesus was sinless.
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When a person is born again Christ's law is written not is tables of stone, but in fleshly tables of the heart. 2 Cor 3:3. In Rom 2:14, The gentiles, if you will read verse 15 says "which show the work of the law written in their hearts. They had already been born again of the Spirit if they had the law written in their hearts. Man is totally depraved if he has only his own righteousness which is as filthy rags Isa 64:6. But after we are born again we have the imputed righteousness of Christ. Even after we are born again, if we did not have the imputed righteousness of Christ we would still be totally depraved. You will never understand the grace of God until you understand the totally depravity of man. The pride of man will prohibit him from seeing his depraved nature.