I actually do read my Bible

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So, the other day I was on chat and someone PMed me because I had stated that I believe Sabbath is sundown-Friday to sundown-Saturday. In the course of the conversation the lady discovered I share some beliefs with Messianics (mainly, I follow the 613 mitvot). She then went on to give me a list of Paul scripture references and told me to "read your Bible" and then she promptly left chat before I could respond.

I was more amused than angered or offended by her comment. In fact, I was not angered at all and only slightly offended. It amused me that she would tell me to read my Bible and then leave before I could respond. I was even more amused by the fact that she thought following the 613 mitvot meant I must have never read Paul's writings before.

That got me thinking, it seems that many people think that people with differing views from their own must obviously not read the Bible, because there can't possibly be any other way said person would believe such things. Because, obviously, if someone follows the Law that person has never laid eyes on the New Testament.

Truth be told, I was indeed raised a Christian. I rarely read Leviticus growing up for the simple reason that I was of the mindset that it did not apply to me so it was boring and unneccessary to read. I usually only read Exodus to the point that Moses leads the Israelites out of Egpyt, and then I would skip over to Joshua.

I grew up reading Paul's writings. I did believe the Law had been fulfilled and as such I need not follow it any longer. I DO have an ordained minister as a mom and ordained minister/pastor as a father. They have already talked to me about my beliefs. I already know the scripture references for why we need no longer follow the Law. I am not some ignorant girl who is following the Law for the fun of it (because, giving up marshmallows and pork is oh so fun... [/sarcasm]). And yes, this is a relatively new belief I hold about following Law. And yes, I am still figuring things out. As of right now I follow Law because most evidence points toward that being the correct thing to do. Who knows, though? Five years down the road I may be a "Bible reading, non-Law-following, proper Christian girl" once more.

I understand if people want to discuss my views with me, but that does not mean you need to assume I don't read my Bible just because I follow the Law.

I think this can go for anyone else on this site, though. I have seen the words "read your Bible" quite often in many of the discussions on here. Perhaps instead of assuming one with different views does not read his/her Bible, you can just forgo such asinine comments and figure out what that person believes and then give your evidence for why you believe that person is wrong. Yeah?
 
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Hi lilrush You are quite right the sabbath is from Friday sundown to saturday sundown.(I keep the sabbath so i should know)Keeping the commandments of God is the right thing to do.All ten of them !!
1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
1Jn 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
 
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I guess the only thing wrong with following the law is if you believe that is whats saves you or keeps you saved. I read your post heard alot about the law some about paul and his teaching. however I never heard the first thing mentioned about Jesus or even God, so I would have to assume that you have a faith in Jesus unto saving of you soul. for if you have your the new testament, then I am sure that you have read that we are no longer under the law but under grace. Romans 6 and I and am sure that you didn't over look :
Ro 10:4For Christ is the end of THE LAW for righteousness to every one that believeth.



Ga 2:21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by THE LAW, then Christ is dead in vain.

Ga 3:11But that no man is justified by THE LAW in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

these are just a few I am sure you didn't overlooked there are many more I could post.
 

faith4life

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If the sabbath is sundown Friday through Saturday sundown, why do we go to church on Sunday?
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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Greetings,

The sabbath law is still in force, Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath, He is our rest day and the Sabbath as God intended it it an everlasting day, the Mosaic Law was given to lead the Israelites to the Christ for their salvation and entry into the true Sabbath and this is what happened, as all the Israelites are now in the New Covenant which is prophecised by Jeremiah 31:31-39 and confirmed in Hebrews 8:8-12.

The Sabbath is in force as law under the New Covenant.
 

faith4life

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oh i see. Is it okay to work on Saturday? so i should probably change my day off to saturday instead of sunday.
 
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So, the other day I was on chat and someone PMed me because I had stated that I believe Sabbath is sundown-Friday to sundown-Saturday. In the course of the conversation the lady discovered I share some beliefs with Messianics (mainly, I follow the 613 mitvot). She then went on to give me a list of Paul scripture references and told me to "read your Bible" and then she promptly left chat before I could respond.
I really wouldn't worry to much about it, especially from a woman that doesn't know the Sabbath is from Friday sundown through Saturday sundown. As they say ignorance is bliss, and some people simply do not want others ruining the blissfulness.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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oh i see. Is it okay to work on Saturday? so i should probably change my day off to saturday instead of sunday.
Jesus said to the Pharisees "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: Therefor the son of man is also the Lord of the Sabbath." Mark 2:27

"Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or do evil? To save life or to kill?

"Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days."

Well there you have God Himself explaining what He means as the Lord of the Sabbath, He says it is lawful to do good works on sabbath days, that is what He means by keeping it holy, He means don't do evil, not sit around doing nothing pretending that your holy! That's not what He meant, He means go and do something well and good and constructive and unto the Lord who is the Lord over the Sabbath.
 
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I guess the only thing wrong with following the law is if you believe that is whats saves you or keeps you saved. I read your post heard alot about the law some about paul and his teaching. however I never heard the first thing mentioned about Jesus or even God, so I would have to assume that you have a faith in Jesus unto saving of you soul. for if you have your the new testament, then I am sure that you have read that we are no longer under the law but under grace. Romans 6 and I and am sure that you didn't over look :
Ro 10:4For Christ is the end of THE LAW for righteousness to every one that believeth.



Ga 2:21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by THE LAW, then Christ is dead in vain.

Ga 3:11But that no man is justified by THE LAW in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

these are just a few I am sure you didn't overlooked there are many more I could post.
1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man uses it lawfully;
1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1Ti 1:10 For fornicators, for homosexuals, for slave traders, for liars, for perjurers, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
1Ti 1:11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
1Ti 1:12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has enabled me, that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and insolent: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
1Ti 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceedingly abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
 
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Because the Lord rose on Sunday.
Would you please give me the scripture from the bible where God commanded us to keep sunday holy because Jesus rose on the sunday .
 
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1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man uses it lawfully;
1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1Ti 1:10 For fornicators, for homosexuals, for slave traders, for liars, for perjurers, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
1Ti 1:11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
1Ti 1:12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has enabled me, that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and insolent: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
1Ti 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceedingly abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
If a man use it lawfully , If we use it for what it was given Ga 3:11But that no man is justified by THE LAW in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

so if we use the law for the right reason , not to justify of sins,but rather That it is pleasing to God but not for salvation , then their is a place a good place for the law in our life , but Jesus told what two commandments that all the law and the prophets hang on Love God then love one another .

Ga 3:15Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.Ga 3:16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.Ga 3:17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.Ga 3:18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.Ga 3:19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.Ga 3:20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.Ga 3:21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.Ga 3:22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.Ga 3:23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.Ga 3:24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.Ga 3:25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.Ga 3:26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
we are Children of God by our faith Not our works
 
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Would you please give me the scripture from the bible where God commanded us to keep sunday holy because Jesus rose on the sunday .
I can so you where that Jesus fulfilled the law of the sabbath, for the sabbath was for rest But Jesus didn't say keep this day or that day so I can rest and you also but rather by he fulfilling the sabbath, He caould boldly say Mt 11:28Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

So with this I make Jesus my Sabbath, my way and my life and the truth, my everything. Praise the Lord for He is good and His love endures for ever . I hope this helps
 
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Baptistrw

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Good luck keeping all 613 of the Jewish laws! Since it's not possible, I don't see why one would even try. To me your wasting your time. Keeping it won't bring you closer to God any.
 
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Good luck keeping all 613 of the Jewish laws! Since it's not possible, I don't see why one would even try. To me your wasting your time. Keeping it won't bring you closer to God any.
It is better to try and observe God's law than to live in complete lawlessness believing yourself to be saved.
 
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It is better to try and observe God's law than to live in complete lawlessness believing yourself to be saved.

Give the Book of Galatians a read, it'll show you the folly of keeping the law as a must of the Christian walk.
 
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Cup-of-Ruin

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I can so you where that Jesus fulfilled the law of the sabbath, for the sabbath was for rest But Jesus didn't say keep this day or that day so I can rest and you also but rather by he fulfilling the sabbath, He caould boldly say Mt 11:28Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

So with this I make Jesus my Sabbath, my way and my life and the truth, my everything. Praise the Lord for He is good and His love endures for ever . I hope this helps
Thanks Thaddaeus, we do agree sometimes, you are right Sir; - the Lord Jesus is our Sabbath.
 
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Good luck keeping all 613 of the Jewish laws! Since it's not possible, I don't see why one would even try. To me your wasting your time. Keeping it won't bring you closer to God any.
It is better to try and observe God's law than to live in complete lawlessness believing yourself to be saved.
Give the Book of Galatians a read, it'll show you the folly of keeping the law as a must of the Christian walk.
Read the entire N.T. and you will see your folly of believing a confessing christian can live in sin and still get into Heaven.
 
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If a man use it lawfully , If we use it for what it was given Ga 3:11But that no man is justified by THE LAW in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

so if we use the law for the right reason , not to justify of sins,but rather That it is pleasing to God but not for salvation , then their is a place a good place for the law in our life , but Jesus told what two commandments that all the law and the prophets hang on Love God then love one another .

Ga 3:15Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.Ga 3:16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.Ga 3:17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.Ga 3:18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.Ga 3:19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.Ga 3:20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.Ga 3:21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.Ga 3:22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.Ga 3:23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.Ga 3:24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.Ga 3:25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.Ga 3:26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
we are Children of God by our faith Not our works
if you want to know how to love God ,see the first 4 commandments .If you want to know how to love one another ,see the last 6 commandments.And yes im saved by grace and not by works.And if im a child of Christ i would not imagine to disobey Him.Because i love Him ,i obey Him.I nolonger need a schoolmaster because I would not think to be disobiedient.But if I do(im human )the schoolmaster is there to show me what i have done wrong.I dont think this is a very difficult thing to grasp.
 
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LIL-RUSH I COULD NOT AGREE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE SAID ANYMORE. YOU ARE VERY RIGHT IN SAYING THAT INSTEAD OF CRITISIZING SOMEONE AND MAKING THEM FEEL STUPID ABOUT READING THE BIBLE WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE EACH OTHER. AFTER ALL WE ARE ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST. GRANTED WE DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT EACH OTHER BUT WE SHOULD DEFF. TAKE THE TIME TO GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER'S BELIEF BEFORE OFFERING ADVICE OR OPINIONS. GOD BLESS YOU
 
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