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Typical of those who

1. Twist scripture
2. Do not paste the WHOLE passage in question.


Matt 12: 30 - 32

30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.
31 “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; butwhoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

1. If your not with Christ your against him.
2. All sin and blasphemy will be forgiven all men.
3. But, Blasphemy of the HS will never be forgiven in this age or the age to come.
4. What is this blasphemy? To speak against the spirit. to call him a liar. To reject what he is saying and doing.

Now you want to try again? or continue to twist, and only post part of the passage?


Oh you mean the verse that says he came to BE the light to all. yet again your picking and chosing and not showing the whole picture. What does John say about Christ?

1. Vs 7 : 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe

Does it say they will believe? It says they may. maybe they will, maybe they wont.

2. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Who does John say will be Gods children and be forgiven? The whole world? NO! Those who recieve him (Christ) he gave the right, why? Because they believe in his name (have faith in him.

Got any more passages you want to twist, or give just part of the whole picture?

John 1:9

9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

The word "be" is not in this verse. Not twisting scripture just stating the unbiased truth.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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John 1:9

9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

The word "be" is not in this verse. Not twisting scripture just stating the unbiased truth.
yeah. and you completely skipped the rest of the passage which shows who will be made Gods children (saved) so yes you did twist.

Jesus is a light to every man. it does not mean every man will be saved. no one will have an excuse based on this fact. as Paul says in romans.
 
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yeah. and you completely skipped the rest of the passage which shows who will be made Gods children (saved) so yes you did twist.

Jesus is a light to every man. it does not mean every man will be saved. no one will have an excuse based on this fact. as Paul says in romans.

The problem is you limit salvation to the flesh. The bible states that God can even save from the LOWEST hell.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The problem is you limit salvation to the flesh. The bible states that God can even save from the LOWEST hell.
lol. So God is going to give people who reject him on earth, and see him face to face an unfair advantage and save them? I don't think so.

He can save from the pits of hell. If we do not receive him, that is where we will end up. Thus we are saved from it

And again, you reject the rest of the passage you are quoting. and will not even respond to it. Why is that?
 
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lol. So God is going to give people who reject him on earth, and see him face to face an unfair advantage and save them? I don't think so.

He can save from the pits of hell. If we do not receive him, that is where we will end up. Thus we are saved from it

And again, you reject the rest of the passage you are quoting. and will not even respond to it. Why is that?
I did. We all must receive Him. I do it now. If out takes the pit in order for another to receive Him, then so be it. But the grave CANNOT praise Him.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I did. We all must receive Him. I do it now. If out takes the pit in order for another to receive Him, then so be it. But the grave CANNOT praise Him.

yeah your right. that is why those who go to the grave and have not come to him will be lost forever. and have no chance to be saved.
 
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Israel

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yeah your right. that is why those who go to the grave and have not come to him will be lost forever. and have no chance to be saved.


Ate you as sure about your own salvation as you are that the man that could be standing next to you could be lost forever?
 
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Ate you as sure about your own salvation as you are that the man that could be standing next to you could be lost forever?
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I can judge no mans salvation. Only God can
 
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yeah your right. that is why those who go to the grave and have not come to him will be lost forever. and have no chance to be saved.

Do you even think about what you say, when you make a comment like this, and who is listening?
there are those who have lost loved ones unexpected, and even children in this world, and you
are saying they have no second chance, shame on you. And God forgive you, for your lack of Mercy.

Thank God for His Mercy, that we are not judged by men.
You know not what you say.
 
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Do you even think about what you say, when you make a comment like this, and who is listening?
there are those who have lost loved ones unexpected, and even children in this world, and you
are saying they have no second chance, shame on you. And God forgive you, for your lack of Mercy.

Thank God for His Mercy, that we are not judged by men.
You know not what you say.
Where does the bible say people will have a second chance?

This is why it's important to speak the word to people, tell them about Christ, teach them so they can believe and get saved.
 
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Where does the bible say people will have a second chance?

This is why it's important to speak the word to people, tell them about Christ, teach them so they can believe and get saved.

There is no second chance, it's hard to prove something that is not biblical.
Just like a Second Coming of Christ.

But I do believe in a Merciful God, and a Righteous Father,
Who is Love, and He will have all to come to the knowledge of Truth.
No matter what or who they are in this world.

I also know that it's impossible for you to believe that God is the one
who chooses, and not man, but that is the way it is.
 
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There is no second chance, it's hard to prove something that is not biblical.
Just like a Second Coming of Christ.
That is false. There will absolutely be a second coming. The bible says so.

But I do believe in a Merciful God, and a Righteous Father,
Who is Love, and He will have all to come to the knowledge of Truth.
No matter what or who they are in this world.
Yes. That is His will. He loves all men, and wants all to be saved. And through Christ, He has made it available for every man to be saved. But he requires that we believe on His Son. God is not going to automatically save every person. Read the bible.

I also know that it's impossible for you to believe that God is the one
who chooses, and not man, but that is the way it is.
That is correct. That is the way it is. God gave man free will, and will not over-step it. He deeply wants all men to choose life, but sadly, not all will.
 
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That is false. There will absolutely be a second coming. The bible says so.


Yes. That is His will. He loves all men, and wants all to be saved. And through Christ, He has made it available for every man to be saved. But he requires that we believe on His Son. God is not going to automatically save every person. Read the bible.


That is correct. That is the way it is. God gave man free will, and will not over-step it. He deeply wants all men to choose life, but sadly, not all will.

Again we disagree, You are either a slave to sin or a slave to Righteousness,
By nature we were the children of wrath, but have obtained mercy.
There is no such thing as Freewill.
 
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Again we disagree, You are either a slave to sin or a slave to Righteousness,
By nature we were the children of wrath, but have obtained mercy.
There is no such thing as Freewill.
You made that incorrect statement by your free will.

There is absolutely free will. God wants all of us to choose life (today, that means choosing to believe on Jesus Christ).

Deut 30:19) I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

There are hundreds of places in the bible where God tells us to DO something, or NOT DO something. We can obey, or not. It's entirely up to each person. If there was no free will, we would not need the bible. God would just make us all do whatever He wanted.
 
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You made that incorrect statement by your free will.

There is absolutely free will. God wants all of us to choose life (today, that means choosing to believe on Jesus Christ).

Deut 30:19) I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

There are hundreds of places in the bible where God tells us to DO something, or NOT DO something. We can obey, or not. It's entirely up to each person. If there was no free will, we would not need the bible. God would just make us all do whatever He wanted.

Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
 

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look,,,,,,,,,,i say this with great remorse,,,,,,,,,,but you have to remember you are on the "world wide web",that is in the begging of the internet it was joined to just the major colleges,then it was presented to the "public",,,,,,,,about 1999 the "public chat rooms" began to arise,,,,now if a man had an account and he also had two children it would stand to reason "they would not have the same screen name",,,that is if a man let his son use his screen name in a chat room,,,,,he may have a totally different belief than his son,,,,,,,,,one may be lds,the other catholic,,,,,,,,,,,but you would just think "screen name" was crazy,,,,,,,,,,now ive been going to the "bible discussion",chats since they first began,,,,,,,,,,,,i don't tell anyone too much about me,,,,,,,,"christian",,,,,,,to avoid certain attacks,,,,,,,,,,that is one of the first things i realized was that i saw an undeniable resemblance in the way two of the members "typed",,,,,in the chat room,,,,,,,,,,,,,one was of this religion,,and the other was of another religion,that totally apposed the beliefs of the other religion,,,,,after a wile i notice they were never signed on at the same time,,,,,,,,and so then after a while i noticed they were in a bitter fight with "there own self",,the one to make merry of the other religion ,"that he did not like",,,,,,,,,i said to one of them a while back "wow you got younger",that is his new screen name showed his age younger than the first,,,,,,often times i have found "these",,,,,and they will tell you they are from "this religion",,,,,,,,,,,,they are not,,,,,,, at times if you follow them they may be trying to get you to hate certain religions,,,,,they say "i am an,,,ect." then they tell you how they believe so you will argue,,,they they make merry of you and make you hate the other religions all the more,,,,,,,,,,,"that is their purpose",,,,,,,,,some "disappear",,,,,,,,,,and never come back,,,some you have loved "under one screen name",,,,,and "hated under another",so but any how give your own mind a break,,,,,,,,,ask your self at times "is this person leading me down a trail",,,,or "are we really having a fruitful discussion",,,,,,,,,,,,now i know i say some off the wall things at times,,,,,,i suppose Ive lost my paitence,with the www that is ive only witnessed a hand full of people i thought were awakened into the truth,,,,,,,,,maybe,,,,,,,,they may have only understood a part,,,,,,,but don't bring yourselves to "anger" towards any other christian religion,,,,,,,,,,,,you may be talking to someone from another religion trying to make you hate that religion,,or many they are from that religion and they do not yet fully understand,,,,,,,,,,,,"i just christian",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 
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Forest

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lol. So God is going to give people who reject him on earth, and see him face to face an unfair advantage and save them? I don't think so.

He can save from the pits of hell. If we do not receive him, that is where we will end up. Thus we are saved from it

And again, you reject the rest of the passage you are quoting. and will not even respond to it. Why is that?
2 Ti 2:13, If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful, he cannot deny himself.
 
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Forest

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I did. We all must receive Him. I do it now. If out takes the pit in order for another to receive Him, then so be it. But the grave CANNOT praise Him.
2 Ti 2:13, If we believe not,yet he abideth faithful, he cannot deny himself.
 
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Forest

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yeah your right. that is why those who go to the grave and have not come to him will be lost forever. and have no chance to be saved.
The only time anyone can come to him is if they have already been born again, 1 Cor 2:14.