Head of the Household (looking for opinions)

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xXTroubleXx

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Hello!

Although I'm not the most bible-literate person in the whole world, I understand that the bible roughly states that men should be the heads of their households. I did not grow up with a male head of the household, so I am interested to read some different opinions about the topic of men being the head of a household. Here are a few questions to ponder, although it is not mandatory that you answer them as I am looking for anyone's own unique opinion, but perhaps these questions will make for good discussion...

1. What is the job of the male head over the family? How do you perceive a family with no male head? For example, if a woman is raising her 2 children alone, is her family considered 'headless' (for lack of a better term) or without complete guidance?

2. How would you perceive your own family if you were in that situation?

3. Would you feel it is irresponsible for a woman to simply not look for another husband if her previous husband has left her and the children?

4. Which situation is better: a male who is present and active in the family, but who does not identify as the head of a household, or a completely absent male?

5. Experiences are very welcome!

Please offer any and all ideas and/or beliefs you have! I'm interested to read some different opinions!

Peace!
 
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Ugly

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hi Trouble
I do feel the man should be the head of the household. But, to be well understood, this does NOT mean a dominating, overbearing, demanding and cruel slavemaster who dictates to his minion wife and children what is and is not expected of them. The head of the household is first and foremost lived out by EXAMPLE. Act how you want your household to act. If you want a loving, God centered household, then be a loving, God centered father and husband. At all times the husband should be honoring and respectful of his family, while still being strong and guiding. He is the udder that guides the ship, so to speak.
When decisions are to be made, he should always consult his wife on her thoughts, needs, feelings and opinions and give them true weight in his consideration, but he should be the one making the final call.

Far as the other questions i've honestly not given much if any thought to them.

On a little thinking i don't think its 'irresponsible' if a woman chooses not to actively look for a new husband. But at the same time i don't think a woman should shut the door either. The woman needs to focus on her children the best she can, and if someone comes along who can step in as a father then great. Another option is a woman could find a man who may be willing to be a male presence that is not a dating relationship. Perhaps a married couple that are friends with kids a similar age wouldn't mind taking your child/children with them for things so the man can have a presence. Or a member of the church, maybe even and older man or couple who are retired and would enjoy having children around.

Far as the absent father vs non-head father... well, i'd say having a man, a father, in their life is the priority. Unless that man is abusive. As long as that man is treating his family well then they will be better off at least having him in their lives. It creates a sense of stability. But i will say i have seen those inactive fathers and it can still be quite damaging to the children.

Hope that was what you're looking for.
 
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xXTroubleXx

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Thanks for the reply! I've read the actual bible verse, and even tho one can think that once one has read a passage from the bible and given it some thought, one might think he or she understands it, yet people have many interpretations about this verse and many other verses as well. I think if both parties agree to structure their family in this manner, I am in no position to complain even though my family was structured quite differently. It is interesting to read different opinions on the topic, even though it is strange to me why one would structure their family in that way when I am used to the functionality of my own family structure.

Thanks again :)
 

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Hello!

Although I'm not the most bible-literate person in the whole world, I understand that the bible roughly states that men should be the heads of their households. I did not grow up with a male head of the household, so I am interested to read some different opinions about the topic of men being the head of a household. Here are a few questions to ponder, although it is not mandatory that you answer them as I am looking for anyone's own unique opinion, but perhaps these questions will make for good discussion...

1. What is the job of the male head over the family? How do you perceive a family with no male head? For example, if a woman is raising her 2 children alone, is her family considered 'headless' (for lack of a better term) or without complete guidance?

2. How would you perceive your own family if you were in that situation?

3. Would you feel it is irresponsible for a woman to simply not look for another husband if her previous husband has left her and the children?

4. Which situation is better: a male who is present and active in the family, but who does not identify as the head of a household, or a completely absent male?

5. Experiences are very welcome!

Please offer any and all ideas and/or beliefs you have! I'm interested to read some different opinions!

Peace!
2. It depends on the woman's moral fiber, logic and grit. Small children need a tight leash but as they get older you need to loosen it. If you keep children on a loose leash then they'll rebel. If you keep teenagers on a tight leash then they'll likewise rebel. If the woman is firm and logical enough with her children then it may just make up for the lack of a fatherly role model. Growing up to a single parent who was male, I can assure you that I had less respect for a woman's authority. So it would be harder to pull it off as a woman in my opinion. Can't tell you what I missed out on in the mother-department though. Never had one growing up. But my dad seemed to be his mother's son since he grew up without a father. I think that made him a little tender in his later life and helped to balance things out for me.

4. Tough one. Maybe the former.
 
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I grew up never knowing my biological father and my stepfather abused scripture to his benefit while never being a Christian and left a bitter taste in everyones mouth.
My step father told me when I was a little girl, submit to your husband and submit to your parents. His version of a woman submitting was that she had to make food and spread her legs. His version of children submitting, was that he could put us down as much and as often as he liked and if we defended ourselves we would get beaten with a bamboo stick or whipped with a wet dish towel. It meant that he could touch me anyway he liked and if I held back he would make my life living hell (which he did regardless). This way of life was all I knew from age 4-16.

When I was 14 I became a Christian because I so desperately wanted a Dad who loved me and I was told God was and is the perfect father and Jesus was my big brother. But I still walked around like a battered woman having no sense of what a biblical or even loving relationship looked like. But God put in my life a wonderful christian elderly couple who became my spiritual parents and the more I observed their marriage and the more I read my bible, the more I realised what a horrible lie me and my family were living in. I left home halfway through highschool, as did my brother and our leaving convinced my mother to get a restraining order and a divorce.

I dated a non christian for four years that nearly led to an engagement only to end the relationship amicably having had a taste of what it would be like married to someone who didn't love Jesus, and finally realising that God wasn't endorsing the relationship nor the sin I was committing. I told God "You can pick the next one!"

He gave me a 'next one' and we worked very hard to make sure our courtship and ensuing marriage totally followed biblical advice. So this is what we stand for according to the bible:

1. The husbands job is to lead the family - lovingly like Christ loved the church. It means hes accountable for the sin in the family (though not responsible), leading spiritually ie church attendance, bible study, training the children in the Lord, being the main breadearner (AT LEAST while the children are young). Im not saying as a wife I have zero influence in any of those areas. But it means I expect my husband to be the main influencer. Im also not saying that wives can't work or study and have a fantastic education/career. Im just saying while theres babies and children under school age it would be stupid AND selfish to put a career before the needs of children. We are replaceable as employees but we are irreplacable as mothers. Husbands need to work - for our respect and for their own sanity.

Single parents become the head of their families by default. Women weren't made to be 2 people in 1. Neither are men. Either way both a single father and mother will struggle without the financial, emotional and spiritual help of a spouse.

3. Paul said it was very good to be single. If a single mom who has been through a nasty divorce or a particularly abusive marriage, needs to recover by staying single and focusing on God as her 'husband'. Provided she does not neglect providing her children with a decent male role model like a godly youth leader or trusted male church member then I see no problem. After my Mom got divorced (the 2nd time), it was the first time since she was 20 since she could read her bible or attend church or do ministry with no distractions (or insults for that matter). She needed a period to rest. 6 years have past and as much as she has reaffirmed her faith, I also know her to be very lonely. With my brother hardly around and me moving overseas soon I would love nothing more than to see her happy with a godly man. And I know that if a man jumped out of thin air saying "I love Jesus, I have a decent job, Im not a pervert, I have a sense of humor, will you marry me?" My mum would say "Sure!"

4. Its obvious which statement most people will support but I ask one question. In a household where the husband and father isnt the head of the house (in a loving sacrifical way) then I would ask how much respect he gets from his wife and his children ESPECIALLY his sons? I hated my situation growing up, but I also knew a lot of people who had zero respect for their fathers and having every right to, even if their parents remained married.
 
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I do feel the man should be the head of the household. But, to be well understood, this does NOT mean a dominating, overbearing, demanding and cruel slavemaster who dictates to his minion wife and children what is and is not expected of them. The head of the household is first and foremost lived out by EXAMPLE. Act how you want your household to act. If you want a loving, God centered household, then be a loving, God centered father and husband. At all times the husband should be honoring and respectful of his family, while still being strong and guiding. He is the udder that guides the ship, so to speak.
Excellent post. 100% agree
 
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Well, unfortunately the family and it's traditional role is under huge attack. There's so many things attacking it. I think that in the last century we finally got to that point where we evolved into a society where it no longer was necessary for the man to be the bread winner, and the wife stays home to raise the kids. That's the idea situation. That way the kids aren't raised by strangers. But now a days it's all a mess. Gay marriage, womens lib telling women all kinds of warpped stuff, gov stealing kids, incentivized divorce, two income households etc etc. So much crap out there, so much evil attacking the traditional family.
 
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xXTroubleXx

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Thanks for the reply... I'm sorry about your experiences.

"...but I ask one question. In a household where the husband and father isnt the head of the house (in a loving sacrifical way) then I would ask how much respect he gets from his wife and his children ESPECIALLY his sons?"

Interesting. I think families are very unique, because not every person shares the same beliefs and not every family shares the same beliefs as the next one, so I think it would be unwise to assume that just b/c a husband/father doesn't take an 'authority figure' type of 'role' in which the things everyone has listed in this post are his and ONLY his responsibilities, then he will, by default, earn little to no respect from his wife and children. I think a father and a husband can be 'loving in a sacrificial way' without necessarily having to identify with a specific role. I don't want to delve into my personal life, but I know for a fact that this is true.
 
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Carmy

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As far as respect, the bible teaches that women are to respect their husbands. This is an unconditional command to women. I would suggest looking up all scriptures that relate to the wife and the husband in the bible. 1 Cor. 7 discusses marriage.

The pastor of my church in VT spoke on the topic of headship once. He explained it like this...a woman and man were created to leave their family and cleave to their husband/wife. Then, the man becomes the headship over her. He said that woman's covering is her father, and then her husband. It's as if spiritually, there is a bowl put over her head to shelter her and protect her. When there isn't any headship over the woman, that bowl becomes more like a colander, with holes in it. Her spiritual covering is now leaking so to speak. However, the bible also tells us that God is a husband to those that don't have a husband. So, God becomes that woman's covering in this instance.

I also agree with what ugly said. She had a great post. I read a book that I would highly recommend to ALL women. It's called "Created To Be His Help Meet" and it's by Debi Pearl. You can get it from nogreaterjoy.org This is a book for wives, but everything that she teaches can also be used in all of our relationships. It's great for preparation to marriage, married women and women who feel they are in a bad marriage. I found this book to be life changing for me. They also sell a cd that her husband did for men. It didn't cost much but I didn't listen to the cd because it was meant for men's ears only and I respected that. I hear it's very good also though.
 

MrHonest

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"...but I ask one question. In a household where the husband and father isnt the head of the house (in a loving sacrifical way) then I would ask how much respect he gets from his wife and his children ESPECIALLY his sons?"
In Mexican culture a biblical role for husband & wife is very important, in majority, so yes I do agree that a man would not get much respect if he did not fulfill his role, especially from his sons.
 
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spirit

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In our tradition ( old fashion China) the man is always the head of the household, but with one condition, the wife has no say. Another words, your opinion does not count and you have to supress your feelings. Being the only daughter the family I was taught that and you know what? It is totally wrong. So at the end of the day, do whats right for you and as a family in a household, it is all team work making and discussing decisions together. Man or No man.
 
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MrHonest, there is a difference between respecting a man and obeying him. Especially with his children. Women and children should respect the husband but that doesn't mean they have to follow in his footsteps if he chooses to live a life of sin. We can respect a person without agreeing with them. The important thing though, is to teach the children Godly ways so they know the difference between Godly father's and ungodly father's behaviors.

I just saw spirit's post so I will add a reply to that. Spirit, I do agree that is wrong. Some cultures treat women badly and that is not right or ok. As ugly said earlier, men should include their wife in decision then they make the final decision. However, that doesn't always happen. My husband likes to make the decsions and rather than argue, I choose to just go with what he decides as long as it isn't anything that will lead me off God's path and into sin.
 
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dmdave17

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He is the udder that guides the ship, so to speak.
I have to know. Was this just a typo or a Freudian slip? ;)

I totally agree with your thought, however. I am fond of pointing out that whenever the Apostle, Paul admonished wives to submit to their husbands, he also admonished husbands to treat their wives with love and respect; to "love them as Christ loved the church" in so many words.
 
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spirit

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Thanks Carmy, I believe so , some decisions are easy to make on your own, some made by him and some made by both of you or even by the whole household. At the end of the day KNOW what you want in the outcome and why you are doing it.
 
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KiwiCA

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Thanks for the reply... I'm sorry about your experiences.

"...but I ask one question. In a household where the husband and father isnt the head of the house (in a loving sacrifical way) then I would ask how much respect he gets from his wife and his children ESPECIALLY his sons?"

Interesting. I think families are very unique, because not every person shares the same beliefs and not every family shares the same beliefs as the next one, so I think it would be unwise to assume that just b/c a husband/father doesn't take an 'authority figure' type of 'role' in which the things everyone has listed in this post are his and ONLY his responsibilities, then he will, by default, earn little to no respect from his wife and children. I think a father and a husband can be 'loving in a sacrificial way' without necessarily having to identify with a specific role. I don't want to delve into my personal life, but I know for a fact that this is true.
So what role did your dad have?

My thinking is this, a son gets his understanding of masculinity from his father and often duplicates what they see with what they do into their own life. Or the go the extreme opposite, in order to avoid familiarity with their father (but I wouldnt say thats healthy either).
Do you have brothers?
 
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KiwiCA

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What category did your Dad fall under? (This was taken from a favorite sermon of mine using 1 Peter 3:7)

"Men are prone toward chauvinism or cowardice; too much, too little.

Chauvinism

No Sissy Stuff Sam.
He doesn’t know what a man is, he just knows a man’s not a woman so whatever a woman is he’s gonna be the opposite. Mom hugs, so he doesn’t hug. Mom says she loves you, so he doesn’t say he loves you. Mom kisses you, so he doesn’t kiss you ‘cause that’s girl stuff. This guy doesn’t understand that men and women are both made in the image and the likeness of God, that they have the same emotions and passions and experiences and they tend to express them in masculine or feminine ways, but being a man is not the opposite of being a woman, that you’re both made in the image of the likeness of God and you express yourself in masculine and feminine ways. And see these guys tend to think that to be a man means this, you can belch the loudest, spit the farthest, fart the stinkiest, and punch the hardest, that’s a man. That’s not a man. That’s a joke. There’s no woman here today praying, “God send me that. I want a real man.” But too many guys, especially guys that are single too long and guys who, you know, put twenty-seven guys into a one-bedroom apartment so they can each spend $30 a month on rent and spend all their time just rocking out to “Guitar Hero,” that’s what those guys think, and they’re idiots.


Success and Status Stewart
He defines himself, the Bible says, by what he has and does. He has this sort of leftover, hyper-jock competitive mentality. “Here’s how much I make. Here’s how my company’s doing. Here’s my car. Here’s my house. Here’s my success. Here are my wins. Here are my victories.” And he treats his wife just like another trophy, her job is to look pretty and be quiet and just make him look good as yet another notch on his belt. He doesn’t love her well, doesn’t serve her well. He’s more worried about his income and his possessions than his wife and his children.


Give ‘Em Hell Hank
This is the guy whose got anger, violence, short temper, rude, crude, mean. He’s harsh, he’s overbearing, he’s intimidating and he’s scary.

I’m the Boss Bob
This guy is just bossy. He thinks wherever he is that he’s the king of the whole thing. He’s always telling everybody what to do. He stands back at a distance like a drill sergeant and just barks out orders to his wife and barks out orders to his children. He has a hard time keeping a job because he always is bossing around his employer and his employees and no one can stand him. He thinks that being a man means being bossy and overbearing. And these guys are the worst when they show up to church. They want to be in authority, not under authority. These are the guys who show up and immediately say, “I want to lead, put me in charge of something.” You’re in charge of shutting up, that can be your specialty. These are the guys when you rebuke them, they just leave the church and they take their wife and children with them and their wife and children suffer ‘cause this is the guy who loves to be in authority, refuses to be under authority, likes to tell everyone what to do and he himself can’t be told anything. I’ve got a list of these guys. You can see it in their wife’s face. She’s miserable. You can see it in their children, they despise their father and he’s oblivious because he’s an imbecile. And they go from church to church to church and eventually it’s like “Well, we can’t find a good church” meaning “I can’t find a pastor dumb enough to take my orders.”

Cowardice

Little Boy Larry
he’s a total sweetheart. He’s a guy, in his twenties, thirties, God forbid, forties, can’t keep a job, forgets to set his alarm. He’s eight years into his undergraduate studies, works part time ‘cause it stresses him out. Still lives with his mom. Maybe he moved out, but his mom’s always worried about him so she brings him groceries and picks up his laundry and helps pay his bills. Little Boy Larry is a totally nice guy, he’s a real sweetie pie so nobody ever kicks him in the batteries. He gets away with murder. Little Boy Larry really loves his mom because she’s always changing his proverbial diaper. And his hope is to meet a really nice gal with a good job and a house so that he could go from his mom to his girlfriend or wife. And he’ll come up with dumb ideas like, “I’ll be the stay-at-home dad. I’m really good with kids since I am one. They really like me because we relate to one another as children.” Little Boy Larry is a joke. He gets away with murder, especially in the Christian church where he tends to be majority. Women who are attracted to these men say, “But I really love him.” Yes, you’re attracted to him as a mother is attracted to an orphan child, but that’s not a marriage. That’s a mother-child affection. That is not a wife-husband affection. You don’t look at this man, ladies, and say, “I respect him. I want my sons to be like him. I want my daughters to marry men like him.” You say things like “He has a lot of potential and no one understands him.” I do, he’s an idiot, and he’s fooled you.


Sturdy Oak Owen
This is the dad who goes to work and comes home, pays the bills, turns on the TV, and checks out. This is the dad who he is physically present but emotionally absent. He’s always working on his car. He’s always on the Internet. He’s always in his study. He’s always in the garage. He’s always in the yard. You say, “Dad, you were never there.” He’s like, “I was always there.” Yes, in a comatose state. There’s some of you here, your dad never said, “I love you.” He never hugged you. He never encouraged you and what he would say is “What do you mean I wasn’t a good dad? I put food on the table. I put a roof over your head and I came home every night and I was there.” He wasn’t there, present, connected, participating. That’s a coward. That guy’s ultimately a coward. He’s afraid to get involved in the lives of his wife and children.


Hyper-Spiritual Henry
This guy drives me insane. This guy drives me insane. This is the guy with the Christian T-shirts, Christian bumper stickers, always listening to praise music, always reading the latest trendy Christian garbage book. Everything’s about God, but it never really makes any sense. He wants everybody to know how hyper spiritual he is to the point where his wife and children are embarrassed by him. The kids don’t bring friends over to the house. “How come you don’t bring your friends over?” “Dad, ‘cause you’re embarrassing. You keep talking about the Canaanites and want to argue over circumcision. You’re embarrassing.” Some of you had this dad, you’re out to dinner, guy comes to pour the water, he’s like “Do you know Jesus is the water of life and he can have streams of living water come from you?” The fourteen-year-old kid grabs his salad fork and is trying to go under the table and find their jugular and just end their life ‘cause their dad’s embarrassing. Last name is Flanders, terrible. To be the spiritual leader, gentlemen, does not mean that you’re just a total, freakish odd ball.


Good Time Gary
everybody loves him, life of the party. He is funny, he is charming, he is winsome, he is entertaining. There’s always a crowd of people around him. Everybody likes him. He gets along with everybody and here’s the key, everybody loves him, nobody respects him ‘cause he’s a joke. That’s why he’s so funny, he doesn’t just tell jokes, he is one. Every time something happens in his life, he just turns it into a joke. He doesn’t realize that his life is the joke. Can’t hold a job, can’t pay his bills, can’t get out of bed in the morning, can’t follow through on a commitment, can’t stay organized, can’t see anything through to completion. Everybody loves him, nobody respects him. He’ll draw a crowd, but they won’t follow him because he’s not going anywhere, he’s not a leader. A wife who’s married to this guy, eventually, he becomes not so cute, not so funny, not so clever. He becomes profoundly annoying. She’s tired of the jokes and the good times and the “everything’s funny and aren’t I clever and cute?” She wants a real man she can depend on. She gets sick of it."
 

MrHonest

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MrHonest, there is a difference between respecting a man and obeying him. Especially with his children. Women and children should respect the husband but that doesn't mean they have to follow in his footsteps if he chooses to live a life of sin. We can respect a person without agreeing with them. The important thing though, is to teach the children Godly ways so they know the difference between Godly father's and ungodly father's behaviors.
Yes, I agree, I'm sorry my reply is vague & simple, I was just trying to keep my opinion short.
 

lil_christian

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obviously I'm no expert on marriage. But I am pretty good at knowing my Bible...and in Ephesians, yes the wife is supposed to submit to the husband, but that doesn't mean, like what Ugly said, that the husband should be some overbearing slavemaster (aka total jerk)

Let's have Ephesians 5 clear the head of the household part up...

Marriage Like Christ and the Church

22 Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body. 24 But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything. 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, 26 so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that she would be holy and blameless. 28 So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; 29 for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, 30 because we are members of His body. 31 FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND SHALL BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH. 32 This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church. 33 Nevertheless, each individual among you also is to love his own wife even as himself, and the wife must see to it that she respects her husband.



I saw that no one else has posted this so I decided to post it since it DOES answer question number 1
 
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Jullianna

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It is awesome when there is a male head of household. For me, he is to be the priest of the home, the main decision maker/protector/provider/prayer warrior/etc. His wife is to be his helpmate in every aspect of these things. This is not always possible. Divorce happens. Spouses die (as in my case). In my case, the Lord is the head of my household, as He was when my husband was leading us.

I don't think it is necessary for every woman to marry or remarry. Not all of us are called to this. However, if and when we do, we are agreeing/consenting as women entering into HOLY matrimony to submit to/respect our husbands and they are agreeing to love/cherish us as Christ does His Church...and Christ does not abuse His Church in ANY way. He deals with us lovingly and tenderly. A husband should do no less. I have heard some people speak of husbands disciplining wives and they use the scripture about the Father disciplining His Church, but, here's the thing...the scriptures do not tell a husband to deal with his bride as the Father, but as the Son/Christ.

I know a lot of men/women aren't thrilled about some of these things, but the scriptures say what they say and God is the same yesterday, today and forever, so I just can't swallow the "culture changed so we have to change with it" junk. And a lot of women gripe about the submission thing, but we aren't called to lay down our lives for our husbands (though we gladly would), so I think, ultimately, more is asked of them than of us. If it is the desire of our hearts to live a life that is pleasing to God, we must submit to Him in ALL things. After all, we enter into marriage WILLINGLY, so if we can't live up to the biblical responsibilities thereof, we can simply remain single. :) Love doesn't demand its own way, so when the right one comes along, this really isn't even an issue. :)
 
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P.S. - I have read that children are 90% more likely to follow the Lord if they have christian FATHERS who lead their families and take them to church than if mothers do this alone. Powerful stuff, huh? It falls to somewhere around 30% if mothers try to do this alone. Please be prayerful about our families.