Does the Ever-virginity of Mary Contradict Scripture?
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Oooh, this is turning out to be a great day... I found out I'm a 15-year-old heretic!
My question: What IS so bad about being free to accept Christ's gift to you? Do you think it makes God any weaker? Do you think it makes Him unable to make decisions? Do you think it makes salvation too freely given? Do you think it absolutely HAS to be only certain people can get saved or else it's heresy and you try to stick a label on me? Guess what? I don't go by labels. I'm non-labeled. Unless you wanna label me as "Property of Jesus Christ" and I'm non-denominational. so can't stick a denomination on me either.
My question: What IS so bad about being free to accept Christ's gift to you? Do you think it makes God any weaker? Do you think it makes Him unable to make decisions? Do you think it makes salvation too freely given? Do you think it absolutely HAS to be only certain people can get saved or else it's heresy and you try to stick a label on me? Guess what? I don't go by labels. I'm non-labeled. Unless you wanna label me as "Property of Jesus Christ" and I'm non-denominational. so can't stick a denomination on me either.
S
For one the word Brethren does (which implies close friends or cousins). But that's besides the point, There are many examples of it meaning anything other than a literal brother like in the Book of Acts when Peter was addressing the crowd at Pentecost.
Acts Chapter 2
[29]
Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
And again in verse 37:
Acts Chapter 2
[37] Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, Brothers, what shall we do?
Theres about 20 more occurrences of that kind of usage in Acts and even more in the Pauline Epistles. Also in the Greek OT:
Genesis Chapter 14
[14] Which when Abram had heard, to wit, that his brother Lot was taken, he numbered of the servants born in his house, three hundred and eighteen well appointed: and pursued them to Dan.
Lot wasn't the brother of Abram, he was Abram's cousin, but the Greek still uses Adelphos.
I Chronicles Chapter 23
[21] The sons of Merari: Moholi, and Musi. The sons of Moholi: Eleazar and Cis.
[22] And Eleazar died, and had no sons but daughters: and the sons of Cis their brethren took them.
Once again the word Adelphos appears, and as you can plainly see the daughters married their cousins not their brothers.
Here are some instances where Adelphos refers to simply people of the same land or people.
Deuteronomy Chapter 23
[7] Thou shalt not abhor the Edomite, because he is thy brother: nor the Egyptian, because thou wast a stranger in his land.
Nehemiah Chapter 5
[7] And my heart thought with myself: and I rebuked the nobles and magistrates, and said to them: Do you every one ex- act usury of your brethren ? And I gathered together a great assembly against them,
Jeremiah Chapter 34
[9] That every man should let his manservant, and every man his maidservant, being a Hebrew man or a Hebrew woman, go free: and that they should not lord it over them, to wit, over the Jews their brethren.
II Kings Chapter 10
[13] He met with the brethren of Ochozias king of Juda, and he said to them: Who are you? And they answered: We are the brethren of Ochozias, and are come down to salute the sons of the king, and the sons of the queen.
[14] And he said: Take them alive. And they took them alive, and killed them at the pit by the cabin, two and forty men, and he left not any of them.
Acts Chapter 2
[29]
Brothers, I may say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
And again in verse 37:
Acts Chapter 2
[37] Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, Brothers, what shall we do?
Theres about 20 more occurrences of that kind of usage in Acts and even more in the Pauline Epistles. Also in the Greek OT:
Genesis Chapter 14
[14] Which when Abram had heard, to wit, that his brother Lot was taken, he numbered of the servants born in his house, three hundred and eighteen well appointed: and pursued them to Dan.
Lot wasn't the brother of Abram, he was Abram's cousin, but the Greek still uses Adelphos.
I Chronicles Chapter 23
[21] The sons of Merari: Moholi, and Musi. The sons of Moholi: Eleazar and Cis.
[22] And Eleazar died, and had no sons but daughters: and the sons of Cis their brethren took them.
Once again the word Adelphos appears, and as you can plainly see the daughters married their cousins not their brothers.
Here are some instances where Adelphos refers to simply people of the same land or people.
Deuteronomy Chapter 23
[7] Thou shalt not abhor the Edomite, because he is thy brother: nor the Egyptian, because thou wast a stranger in his land.
Nehemiah Chapter 5
[7] And my heart thought with myself: and I rebuked the nobles and magistrates, and said to them: Do you every one ex- act usury of your brethren ? And I gathered together a great assembly against them,
Jeremiah Chapter 34
[9] That every man should let his manservant, and every man his maidservant, being a Hebrew man or a Hebrew woman, go free: and that they should not lord it over them, to wit, over the Jews their brethren.
II Kings Chapter 10
[13] He met with the brethren of Ochozias king of Juda, and he said to them: Who are you? And they answered: We are the brethren of Ochozias, and are come down to salute the sons of the king, and the sons of the queen.
[14] And he said: Take them alive. And they took them alive, and killed them at the pit by the cabin, two and forty men, and he left not any of them.
J
I didn't say you were a heretic. I do not know. I said you share many views.
My question: What IS so bad about being free to accept Christ's gift to you? Do you think it makes God any weaker? Do you think it makes Him unable to make decisions? Do you think it makes salvation too freely given? Do you think it absolutely HAS to be only certain people can get saved or else it's heresy and you try to stick a label on me?[/quote]It's not about me, it's about God and his revelation of himself.
You share many views with Catholicism in this issue, that's all I wanted to bring forth.
My question: What IS so bad about being free to accept Christ's gift to you? Do you think it makes God any weaker? Do you think it makes Him unable to make decisions? Do you think it makes salvation too freely given? Do you think it absolutely HAS to be only certain people can get saved or else it's heresy and you try to stick a label on me?[/quote]It's not about me, it's about God and his revelation of himself.
You share many views with Catholicism in this issue, that's all I wanted to bring forth.
Alright. I'll go with that. But I also want to mention that, even though certain views may be different, some of them do have similarities. They might say the same thing as the other view once or twice. That's just something they agree on. Doesn't mean they're the same...and that's all I'll say on that. Also there isn't much to say on that than what I just said >.>
That wouldn't have been my problem if that didn't make her somehow holy enough to be prayed to.
It's like...Mary is getting credit for what GOD did through her...and I don't like that...that bugs me. Mary didn't do anything besides say yes to God. Yes she bore the Savior of the World, but that doesn't make HER holy. I mean, yeesh, look at her direct bloodline for heaven's sake. There weren't a whole bunch of holier-than-thous in there...they were sinners. Just like us. How can Mary intercess for the Catholics when she herself needed intercession for HER sins?
It's like...Mary is getting credit for what GOD did through her...and I don't like that...that bugs me. Mary didn't do anything besides say yes to God. Yes she bore the Savior of the World, but that doesn't make HER holy. I mean, yeesh, look at her direct bloodline for heaven's sake. There weren't a whole bunch of holier-than-thous in there...they were sinners. Just like us. How can Mary intercess for the Catholics when she herself needed intercession for HER sins?
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J
I'm not sure the whole "credit is bad' thing is entirely in line with scripture.
Matthew 6:19 "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal."
It certainly can be, no doubt about that. When it leadsd to pride, arrogance, wrong-intentions, etc...
The rest that you said doesn't matter. Bible is quite clear that there is only one mediator, and that it is Jesus Christ. It is also quite clear that we may approach the throne.
Well, I don't really say credit is all bad...but getting credit for something God did through you? Like, let's just say a pastor who is full of Jesus goes and preaches to 10,000 people. Let's just say they all got saved....and the pastor got all the credit for it. Would that bug you?
It's good to remain humble instead of saying "Hey, look what I did!" because the way I see it, without God, you wouldn't even be here to do it. And who gave you the ability to do it? God did. So that's how I see things when I do something that's worthy of saying, "Good job!"
Oh gee thanks =P Nah I don't mind...it may or may not matter. Sometimes I will ramble so it's not a big deal. Yeppers. Come boldly unto the throne of grace!
It's good to remain humble instead of saying "Hey, look what I did!" because the way I see it, without God, you wouldn't even be here to do it. And who gave you the ability to do it? God did. So that's how I see things when I do something that's worthy of saying, "Good job!"
Oh gee thanks =P Nah I don't mind...it may or may not matter. Sometimes I will ramble so it's not a big deal. Yeppers. Come boldly unto the throne of grace!
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