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Don't forget without Mary, there wouldn't be Jesus. We still worship God , and Mary is termed mother of God but everyone one knows she is the mother of Jesus. Catholics believe in the whole family, God , Joseph/ Mary, Jesus are the one family and all highly respected.If not sure just read the Gospel or Holy Bible.
Really, you are a JOKE..
so the Holy Spirit automatically is the father of God i guess
so the Holy Spirit automatically is the father of God i guess
So, in your view, is Jesus God?
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I second that comment. Mary is the mother of God because she bore Jesus who is God the Word. Because if she is not "Theotokos" (Bearer of God) then this means Jesus is not God. This was decided by 250 bishops at the Council of Ephesus in 431.
The Third Ecumenical Council:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theotokos#Third_Ecumenical_Council
The Third Ecumenical Council:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theotokos#Third_Ecumenical_Council
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The Bible says Jesus was made a little lower than the angels,by His humanity.
The Bible says Jesus was made according to the flesh.
The Bible says when the fulness of the time was come,God sent forth His Son,made of a woman,made under the law,made according to His humanity.
The Son was made according to His humanity,not made according to His deity.
God cannot be created,or born,and always exists,and the Son was made according to His humanity,not His deity.
Mary gave birth to the Son,according to His humanity,not His deity.
God is the one who caused the conception in the womb of Mary,and Mary had nothing to do with it,except carry the child to full term and give birth to the child,according to the humanity.
God is an ominipresent Spirit,and how do you give birth to the omnipresent Spirit of God.
God always exists.
Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,which means God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,because God cannot be separated,and Mary did not give birth to God that is separate from the Spirit,which if she were the mother of God would indicate that she gave birth to a little bit of the Spirit separate from the rest of the Spirit,which could not happen.
She either gave birth to the whole Spirit,because the Spirit cannot be separated,or else she did not give birth at all to the Spirit.I say she did not give birth to the Spirit at all.
Jesus was on the cross,and told the thief that he would be with Him that day in paradise,so while Jesus went to hell for three days,the thief was with Him in paradise,which is not hell.
Jesus said that no man has ascended to heaven,except the Son of man who is in heaven.
Jesus was on earth and in heaven at the same time.
So how could Mary be the mother of God,by giving birth to Jesus,for how did she give birth to Jesus causing Him to be on earth and in heaven at the same time.
Mary only gave birth to the flesh,and God is an omnipresent Spirit that cannot be separated,and the only way God can be manifest in the flesh,is by the fulness of His attributes,and the only way Mary can be the mother of God,is if she gave birth to the omnipresent Spirit of God,and if God started existing from then on,not existing prior to that,which we know is not true.
The Bible says that Jesus dwells in the light which no man can approach unto,and no man has seen Jesus and no man will ever see Jesus,showing that although we will see Jesus on the throne in heaven,Jesus is much bigger than that,for He extends beyond Him being on the throne,to a place in the light that no man can approach unto,and to a place where no man can see Jesus and no man will ever see Jesus,which means Jesus is an omnipresent Spirit,and not only a visible God only so big.
So Mary cannot be the mother of God,by giving birth to Jesus,for Jesus extends beyond that human body as God,and means Mary only gave birth to the flesh,and the Spirit in Christ is connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God.
She cannot be the mother of God,as if giving birth to a little portion of the Spirit in the flesh,for the Spirit cannot be separated,and Jesus is an omnipresent Spirit.
Mary either gave birth to the omnipresent Spirit of God,or she did not give birth at all to the Spirit.
She did not give birth at all to the Spirit.She only gave birth to the flesh,the child Christ Jesus,who has the fulness of the attributes of God,for that is the only way God can be manifested in the flesh,for the heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain God,so how can a human body contain God,for Mary to give birth to God.
Jesus said Himself before Abraham was I am,so how did Mary give birth to God,seeing Jesus existed before that,and if Jesus did not come to this world He would still exist.He does not need Mary at all to exist as God.It could only mean Mary gave birth to the flesh,and God caused the conception,and Mary had nothing to do with the conception.Mary had nothing to do with Jesus having the fulness of the Spirit.Mary had nothing to do with the deity of Jesus,only the flesh,but then God gave life to the flesh,not Mary.
The Bible says Jesus was made according to the flesh.
The Bible says when the fulness of the time was come,God sent forth His Son,made of a woman,made under the law,made according to His humanity.
The Son was made according to His humanity,not made according to His deity.
God cannot be created,or born,and always exists,and the Son was made according to His humanity,not His deity.
Mary gave birth to the Son,according to His humanity,not His deity.
God is the one who caused the conception in the womb of Mary,and Mary had nothing to do with it,except carry the child to full term and give birth to the child,according to the humanity.
God is an ominipresent Spirit,and how do you give birth to the omnipresent Spirit of God.
God always exists.
Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,which means God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,because God cannot be separated,and Mary did not give birth to God that is separate from the Spirit,which if she were the mother of God would indicate that she gave birth to a little bit of the Spirit separate from the rest of the Spirit,which could not happen.
She either gave birth to the whole Spirit,because the Spirit cannot be separated,or else she did not give birth at all to the Spirit.I say she did not give birth to the Spirit at all.
Jesus was on the cross,and told the thief that he would be with Him that day in paradise,so while Jesus went to hell for three days,the thief was with Him in paradise,which is not hell.
Jesus said that no man has ascended to heaven,except the Son of man who is in heaven.
Jesus was on earth and in heaven at the same time.
So how could Mary be the mother of God,by giving birth to Jesus,for how did she give birth to Jesus causing Him to be on earth and in heaven at the same time.
Mary only gave birth to the flesh,and God is an omnipresent Spirit that cannot be separated,and the only way God can be manifest in the flesh,is by the fulness of His attributes,and the only way Mary can be the mother of God,is if she gave birth to the omnipresent Spirit of God,and if God started existing from then on,not existing prior to that,which we know is not true.
The Bible says that Jesus dwells in the light which no man can approach unto,and no man has seen Jesus and no man will ever see Jesus,showing that although we will see Jesus on the throne in heaven,Jesus is much bigger than that,for He extends beyond Him being on the throne,to a place in the light that no man can approach unto,and to a place where no man can see Jesus and no man will ever see Jesus,which means Jesus is an omnipresent Spirit,and not only a visible God only so big.
So Mary cannot be the mother of God,by giving birth to Jesus,for Jesus extends beyond that human body as God,and means Mary only gave birth to the flesh,and the Spirit in Christ is connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God.
She cannot be the mother of God,as if giving birth to a little portion of the Spirit in the flesh,for the Spirit cannot be separated,and Jesus is an omnipresent Spirit.
Mary either gave birth to the omnipresent Spirit of God,or she did not give birth at all to the Spirit.
She did not give birth at all to the Spirit.She only gave birth to the flesh,the child Christ Jesus,who has the fulness of the attributes of God,for that is the only way God can be manifested in the flesh,for the heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain God,so how can a human body contain God,for Mary to give birth to God.
Jesus said Himself before Abraham was I am,so how did Mary give birth to God,seeing Jesus existed before that,and if Jesus did not come to this world He would still exist.He does not need Mary at all to exist as God.It could only mean Mary gave birth to the flesh,and God caused the conception,and Mary had nothing to do with the conception.Mary had nothing to do with Jesus having the fulness of the Spirit.Mary had nothing to do with the deity of Jesus,only the flesh,but then God gave life to the flesh,not Mary.
Jesus referred to His mother as woman,for God did all the work of Jesus being conceived,and Mary had nothing to do with it,but carry the child Christ Jesus.Mary had nothing to do with the deity of Jesus.Mary is the mother of the flesh,not the deity.Jesus is fully God and fully man,and Mary only had part in the birth of the flesh,not the deity,and Mary had nothing to do with the conception anyway,for God caused the conception.
Mary gave birth to the flesh,not the deity.
Jesus said,anybody that hears the word of God and does it,is as equally blessed as Mary.
Jesus said,anybody that does the will of God,the same is His mother,brethren,and sister.
I think if Mary were the mother of God that Jesus would have given her a little more respect and honor,and would not be calling her woman instead of mother,and not saying that anybody is His mother that does the will of God,which Jesus is pointing out that God gets the glory for the conception and it is His work,and do not exalt Mary.
Mary gave birth to the flesh,not the deity.
Jesus said,anybody that hears the word of God and does it,is as equally blessed as Mary.
Jesus said,anybody that does the will of God,the same is His mother,brethren,and sister.
I think if Mary were the mother of God that Jesus would have given her a little more respect and honor,and would not be calling her woman instead of mother,and not saying that anybody is His mother that does the will of God,which Jesus is pointing out that God gets the glory for the conception and it is His work,and do not exalt Mary.
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No one is saying she created the divinity of Christ, but that she is the Mother of God because she gave birth to Christ who from the moment of his conception was fully God and fully man. Also are you aware that the word used that is translated "woman" is "gynai", which is far from a disrespectful downgraded title. "Gynai" is the word used in John 19:26 (where it is translated mother), and the word is in fact closer to "Lady" or "Madam". "Gynai" is a title of dignity, not abrupt disrespect.
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oh bro, no one says to be disrespectful to her, just that not to class her as a
diety?
co meatrix?
pivitol to salvation?
why would God wait to tell us about mary?? jesus was spoken of years and years before His coming, marion faith pops up when??around 300ad wasnt it?? Im sure youd know when so correct me if im in error please.
If as ROC docrine says "Marys a diety" come by revelation then why wasnt it revealed prior to the cross in scripture, seems everything else was.
anyway, all that truely matters is we believe in Jesus Chrit sent by God to reconcile us to Himself thru the cross, thats salvation at work til this day
diety?
co meatrix?
pivitol to salvation?
why would God wait to tell us about mary?? jesus was spoken of years and years before His coming, marion faith pops up when??around 300ad wasnt it?? Im sure youd know when so correct me if im in error please.
If as ROC docrine says "Marys a diety" come by revelation then why wasnt it revealed prior to the cross in scripture, seems everything else was.
anyway, all that truely matters is we believe in Jesus Chrit sent by God to reconcile us to Himself thru the cross, thats salvation at work til this day
The only time I've ever heard Mary referred to as a deity is when people continually make the false claims that we Catholics view her as a deity. I've never heard it from a Catholic Church, nor will you find that claim in any official Catholic doctrine unless it's to deny that she's a deity.
I'm not sure how much more clearer we can make it. Mary is NOT a deity. She's not equal to God, she never was, we've never claimed her to be either. She is holy, but that's quite evident from the Scriptures themselves. She is also the mother to Jesus, who IS God. Thus it is quite proper to refer to her with the title, "Mother of God" because that is her relationship to Our Lord God, Jesus Christ. It doesn't mean she's a deity, nor does it mean she predates God, or is more powerful. All it means is that the one who is her Son, IS God. He's not a fleshly shell where God hides inside, God didn't put on a Jesus' flesh costume. He is fully man AND fully God from the moment of His conception. And that same flesh, which is both man AND God at once, suffered for us. To say that it was just God hiding inside flesh negates the whole crucifixion itself. Because that means that God didn't suffer for us, and it wasn't God's blood that was shed, it was just a fleshly container's liquids that didn't have any real meaning.
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Not related to the topic at hand. In fact that is an attempt to derail the discussion by trying to get us to respond to all Marian dogmas rather than one we're discussing (minus the deity one of course, since that is not Catholic dogma). Try sticking to the actual topic, and If you don't have an argument to present don't turn to trying to divert attention to other topics.
It shows up between 100-199 AD (2nd century), which makes sense since in order to venerate Saints you actually need Saints. But it appears to have come into being possibly earlier since the veneration of the Saints was already prevalent by the time of Polycarp's martyrdom (155 AD), because his bones were taken to be venerated.
We don't say Mary is a deity and neither does a single shred of Catholic doctrine or dogma. Basically I'm not entirely surprised there isn't much in the Bible about Mary since John was the only apostle likely to have outlived her. Of course everything isn't in the Bible anyway.
It shows up between 100-199 AD (2nd century), which makes sense since in order to venerate Saints you actually need Saints. But it appears to have come into being possibly earlier since the veneration of the Saints was already prevalent by the time of Polycarp's martyrdom (155 AD), because his bones were taken to be venerated.
We don't say Mary is a deity and neither does a single shred of Catholic doctrine or dogma. Basically I'm not entirely surprised there isn't much in the Bible about Mary since John was the only apostle likely to have outlived her. Of course everything isn't in the Bible anyway.
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Do you know that they wont even let my children use Wikipedia as a reference for school because of all the errors. How about some Bible references that explain your position? Mary can be the mother of Jesus without being the mother of God. She was a pure womb to carry the son of God. She should not be worshiped as God. Nowhere in the world do we worship the mother of some person we admire. And Jesus is so much more than a person
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