Spirit versus Soul

AnandaHya · Feb 29, 2012

What is the difference between the two? Can you ever get a NEW soul? I have read passages that talk about a NEW heart and a NEW Spirit and eventually NEW resurrected bodies but the soul, is that the part that is "us" that remains?

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

peacefulbeliever · Feb 29, 2012

AnandaHya said:

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Your breath life would be your soul - while you are breathing you are a living soul. Some say that when God breathed into man the breath of life that spirit was also breathed into him - but when Adam sinned he lost that spirit from God or his spiritual connection with God.

In Christ. . . . . .

barukhmalachi · Feb 29, 2012

The spirit is also refered to as the heart. The spirit is the inner being that looks like your body. Your soul is mind your memories and such. The bible has instances where the spirit remembers this life like the beggar and rich man. The rich man saw the beggar in abrahams bosom and remembered him. He remembered his family on earth asking abraham to send someone to warn them about the torment. This shows our spirit and our soul remain together after death.

barukhmalachi · Feb 29, 2012

Breathe of life "and" man became a living soul are separate happenings. You can be in a vegatation state where your soul or your mind is not functioning but the body yet lives. Once your spirit goes, you are dead. You hear of nde where they come back. I've heard it said that the spirit is held within us with some kind of spiritual ambilical cord. It can leave the body without breaking the connection and can return but once that connection is broke there is no returning. Its a concept I haven't heard a lot about but its interesting none the less. We are made in gods image. He is father son and holy spirit. We are body soul and spirit. Three parts that make one being.

peacefulbeliever · Feb 29, 2012

barukhmalachi said:

According to Genesis 2:7 God breathed life into man and he became a living soul. The "spirit of man" is man's nature or basically what makes you, you.

This goes against the word of God.

peacefulbeliever · Feb 29, 2012

barukhmalachi said:

Yes, your body yet lives because machines are doing your breathing for you. Stop breathing and see if you are still a living soul. Just kidding!

In Christ.. . . .

barukhmalachi · Feb 29, 2012

Compare scripture with scripture and study some teaching on the subject before you say I'm unbiblical. You asked the question and the spirit realm on earth and beyond is something I put a lot into learning about. I know what I'm talking about here. I'm not guuna argue over something that does not affect salvation. Research more and compare multiple scriptures. Study to show yourself approved. Good luck in your quest for knowledge and growing deeper in the lord

tribesman · Feb 29, 2012

AnandaHya said:

Soul is just "us", Spirit is God. That's the simple difference - and a huge one to that.

Grandpa · Mar 1, 2012

tribesman said:

Yes. I think of it this way also.

Heart and soul. You see these linked a lot. I think of the soul as the blood that runs through us, our character, our thoughts, the base of who we are, our essence, our foundation.

I've thought that this is why blood atones for the soul. Pure, innocent blood for guilty blood. An exchange. I don't know for sure, its just the best I've come up with so far...

There seems to be a big deal about blood in the OT. You can't eat, or drink the blood. Blood is what atones for the soul. Etc...
I've tried to figure out what the big deal is about blood and this is the best I've been able to come up with.

And our spirit is linked with Gods. It is what wants to be perfect like God is perfect. It is that part of us that seems like it is better than us. That part of us that knows when we are messing up. That nagging feeling in the back of your mind...

Basically what Tribesman said, but with more words...

AnandaHya · Mar 1, 2012

tribesman said:

Romans 8:16
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Galatians 6:18
Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.

1 Samuel 16:16
Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well.

how can an evil spirit be from God?

James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

Red33 · Mar 1, 2012

This is helped me understand what makes up a man as a trichotomy according to (1Thes 5:23) and how God imparts to a man spiritually.

Human spirit (pneuma) - is the candle of the Lord and remains dormant until we a born again

Human soul have (5) parts

1 mind - is that part that has the ability to think and reason and receive knowledge and information
2 emotions - is that part of the soul that is an appreciator and responder to the thoughts of the mind
3 volition - is our free will where we apply and make decisions based upon the knowledge and understanding we have received
4 conscience - is that part of the soul where norms and standards for life are stored and where we accuse or excuse the life we live.
5 conscious - is that part of the mind that represents where the heart and human spirit resides. Here is where we are self-conscious of Adam and the old man or God-conscious of Christ and the new man

Human body is the physical part of man that is made up of flesh and blood and carries out the life that has been molded through the process and workings of the human soul.

When a man is born again the human spirit becomes alive through the word and Spirit as the candle of the Lord (Prov 20:27, 18:28). The Holy Spirit comes to indwell man and brings the incorruptible seed of God's word (Jn 14:17, Rom 8:11, 1Pt 2:23) to quicken his human spirit and fill his soul with eternal life (Eph 5:18, Rom 8:10, 2Cor 3:6, Jn 10:10, 5:40). That man becomes God-conscious for the first time. He is a new man and new creature in Christ and all things have become new (2Cor 5:17). Every part of the human soul experiences the life of God through being reconciled to God and redeemed through the blood of Christ (Eph 1:7, Col 1:14). The human body must wait for its day of redemption that is future (Rom 8:23, Eph 4:30, 1Cor 15:52-54).

For some it may be emotional and for others it's not, but for both the peace of God resides and provides rest in the mind and heart the moment we are born again which goes beyond our present understanding (Phil 4:7, Col 3:15). The conscience is purged by the blood of Christ from guilt, the remembrance of sin and from every dead work (Heb 9:14, 10:2,22) relating to the old sin nature (the old man) and begins to store up new norms and standards for living through righteousness and true holiness (Eph 4:24). The consciousness of man is being renewed in the spirit of our mind (Eph 4;23) through God's precious words of spirit and life (Jn 6:63) and through the transformation of His Spirit of love (Rom 15:30, Col 1:8, 2Tim 1:7) as God begins a good work in us (Phil 1:6). Through this transformation, our emotions begin to appreciate the new thought life of our renewed mind that we have been given and we develop an appreciation for the things of God (1Cor 2:10-12) by grace through continually being edified and built up through hearing God's word through the Spirit.

krisbrian · Mar 1, 2012

I think of the soul as our self consciousness or intellect and I think of the spirit as our God consciousness. That's why some people, even though they are alive and conscious, they are spiritually dead because they have no consciousness of God.

I'm sure we have all met people who have no discernment regarding spiritual things. You try to talk to them about God and they just don't get it. The spiritual realm is a foreign thing to them. If they cant detect it with their five senses, then it doesn't exist to them. They are spiritually dead.

2knowhim · Mar 1, 2012

krisbrian said:

I believe the same thing:

Rom 8:16 The Spirit Himself witnesses with our spirit that we are children of God.

1Co 6:17 And he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit;

1Co 15:45 So also it has been written, "The" first "man", Adam, "became a living soul;" the last Adam a life-giving Spirit. Gen. 2:7

Luk 1:46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
Luk 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Notice Mary said, Lord when speaking of her Soul, Lord means He rules.
But she said my spirit, when speaking of God her Saviour.

I understand this to mean that when the two (our spirit and His) are joined together, we reign with Him
Over the things in our Soul. In other words, we become crucified to the things of the flesh, our will (soul) becomes His will, our thoughts become His thoughts, our purpose becomes His purpose....etc.....

It has been said that our souls are like raging waves of the seas, but when Christ takes His rightful place within us,
He walks on the waters, and speaks to our storms, peace be still.

Blessings

tribesman · Mar 1, 2012

AnandaHya said:

Are you with these scriptures trying to say that man is a spirit? If so, this is not what they say. In augustinian thought body and soul are seen as categorically different parts of man, but they are yet unified with the soul "ruling" the body. Calvin see the spirit of man as a subcategory of the soul. In these traditions the threefold view of man as divided into spirit, soul and body is rejected. Not without reason.

These are good and interesting questions and scriptures that have their explanations, but I don't exactly see how they are related to what we are discussing here.

peacefulbeliever · Mar 1, 2012

krisbrian said:

Very simply - those that are spiritually dead and have no discernment regarding spiritual things are not born again with God's spirit.

spirit (pneuma) the person himself, that which makes man a living being together with breath life - All men have "soul life together with spirit called "the spirit of man" but all men do not have eternal life; holy spirit. (received when someone is born again); spirit can also mean the issues of a man's mind such as acts of will, thoughts, desires, emotions or as said before what makes you - you.

AnandaHya · Mar 1, 2012

tribesman said:

why is the spirit considered a subcategory of the soul and what are the reasons the threefold view of man rejected?

I was trying to find scriptures relating to "spirit" and finding out what the Bible tells us is "spirit" it s not just God's spirit because we have "unclean spirits." therefore I believe everyone has a "spirit" but rather it is "clean" or "unclean" is judged by God.

I prayed about it and the answer I get is that God sent a distressing spirit not "evil" as in corrupt and tempting Saul to sin but more like a prick of his conscience that troubles him because he is sinning against God by his thoughts and actions. That David came and soothed him by his music because it reminded Saul of God and His forgiveness and goodness.

Sorry my class just started ...

Ephesians 5:19
Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

Colossians 3:16
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

PS. I just post scriptures that come to mind, I would not over analyze my intentions for them because most of the time I just post them because they are what I'm contemplating at the time, lol. I've always heard of the three fold view of man and proponents use these verses to support their views.

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Genesis 1
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

I'm new to the subject and studying and praying about it. part of the reason why I posted. I've had people say that the spirit and the soul are the same thing but the verse says they are able to be divided which implies they are different. anyways have to listen about stone circles and astronomy now...

Red33 · Mar 1, 2012

Would you be wondering about this verse as well in (2Cor 7:1)...

KJV
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Ampified
THEREFORE, SINCE these [great] promises are ours, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from everything that contaminates and defiles body and spirit, and bring [our] consecration to completeness in the [reverential] fear of God.

or in Lk 9:54-56...
54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. 56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

Trax · Mar 1, 2012

AnandaHya said:

The soul is the ego and can be described by three things:
1. The will - I want
2. The intellect - I think
3. The emotions - I feel

It is the spirit that can experience direct communion with God. Not the soul.

People are used to submitting to their soul. When a person gets saved, the spirit is the one
who should do the controlling, not the soul anymore. The soul needs to submit to the spirit.
When the Spirit is leading, the phrase "Your will be done", is the Spirit that dictates the "will"
of the soul. (The "I want")

AnandaHya · Mar 2, 2012

Red33 said:

yes those too also these two with everyone telling you to "submit to the spirit" they do not mention this warning at all for they forget not all spirits are from God....

1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world

Revelation 16:12-14
New King James Version (NKJV)
12 Then the sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings from the east might be prepared. 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and[a] of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

AnandaHya · Mar 2, 2012

so I decided to do a Bible study on the words "spirit" and "soul" as found in the Bible and see if we can find out their true meaning that way....

here are some "soul" verses I found interesting:

Psalm 23:2-4
New King James Version (NKJV)
2 He makes me to lie down in green pastures;
He leads me beside the still waters.
3 He restores my soul;
He leads me in the paths of righteousness
For His name’s sake.
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil;
For You are with me;
Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.

Proverbs 13:4
The soul of a lazy man desires, and has nothing; But the soul of the diligent shall be made rich.

Proverbs 13:4
The soul of a lazy man desires, and has nothing; But the soul of the diligent shall be made rich.

Proverbs 19:2
Also it is not good for a soul to be without knowledge, And he sins who hastens with his feet.

Proverbs 19:8
He who gets wisdom loves his own soul; He who keeps understanding will find good.

Proverbs 19:16
He who keeps the commandment keeps his soul, But he who is careless of his ways will die.

Proverbs 21:10
The soul of the wicked desires evil; His neighbor finds no favor in his eyes.

Proverbs 21:23
Whoever guards his mouth and tongue Keeps his soul from troubles.

Ecclesiastes 6:3
If a man begets a hundred children and lives many years, so that the days of his years are many, but his soul is not satisfied with goodness, or indeed he has no burial, I say that a stillborn child is better than he—

Hebrews 13:17
Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you.

James 5:20
let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins

1 Peter 1:22-24
New King James Version (NKJV)

22 Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit[a] in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, 23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, 24 because

“All flesh is as grass,
And all the glory of man[c] as the flower of the grass.
The grass withers,
And its flower falls away,

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