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worldlover

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While some Churches are claiming to be "The Only True Church", what is your concept of a "True Church"?
 
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SantoSubito

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My concept of a "True Church" is of course the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. But what many here will say is that a "True Church" is one that teaches the Bible, which is rather vague.
 
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worldlover

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then, what specific reason can you prove to convince me that the Catholic Church is a "True Church"?
 
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While some Churches are claiming to be "The Only True Church", what is your concept of a "True Church"?
The true church, perhaps, are all people who obey the two great commandments: Love the Lord your God with all your hearts, minds, and souls, and love your neighbor as yourself.
 
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SantoSubito

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then, what specific reason can you prove to convince me that the Catholic Church is a "True Church"?
Well specifically I can give four.

One- The Catholic Church is one and united absolutely under the Pope. It is not a loose affiliation of self-governing congregations and nor is it a composite group of churches led by various Patriarchs.

Holy- The Catholic Church has produced numerous great Saints even giving us the woman who is mentioned today as the very model of selflessness and charity, Mother Teresa. Finally, the very Sacraments and reverence of the Church is also her mark of holiness

Catholic- The Catholic Church spans all cultures, peoples, and tongues. It has a more diverse membership than any other church body in existence. Wherever the Church is dominant she is a uniting factor for the population, sweeping aside differences. This can be seen in 19th and early 20th century America where you had Irish, German, Italian, and Polish immigrants united against discrimination by the Anglo-Protestant majority for no other reason than they were Catholic. Modern America itself is also evidence of this where a Catholic parish will be filled with White, Asian, Black, and Hispanic people. While most Protestant churches here cater to a specific group like Blacks or Hispanics with most being predominately White.

Apostolic- The Catholic Church has a line of bishops going back to the Apostles themselves, something no Protestant church can claim.
 
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Trax

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While some Churches are claiming to be "The Only True Church", what is your concept of a "True Church"?
Any group that claims it is the "True Church" needs to avoided at all cost.
Christians in the Middle East and China are more dedicated to the Lord than those
in the free world. And those people are small groups, meeting in someone's house.
Most don't even have a Bible, but they belong to Him. They are His sheep.
They don't have a board of directors or a hiearchy priesthood, but they are winning souls
and dying for Him.
 
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SantoSubito

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Any group that claims it is the "True Church" needs to avoided at all cost.
Christians in the Middle East and China are more dedicated to the Lord than those
in the free world. And those people are small groups, meeting in someone's house.
Most don't even have a Bible, but they belong to Him. They are His sheep.
They don't have a board of directors or a hiearchy priesthood, but they are winning souls
and dying for Him.
You do know that the Catholic Church has a substantial presence in both the Middle East and China right? In fact almost all Christians in the Middle East belong to either the Catholic or Orthodox Churches.
 
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You do know that the Catholic Church has a substantial presence in both the Middle East and China right? In fact almost all Christians in the Middle East belong to either the Catholic or Orthodox Churches.
Jews, who have been saved, trace their line back to Abraham. The true church = the true
branches. But the natural branches were removed to graft the wild branches into the vine.
And how these wild branches do boast about being the natural branches.
 
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SantoSubito

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Jews, who have been saved, trace their line back to Abraham. The true church = the true
branches. But the natural branches were removed to graft the wild branches into the vine.
And how these wild branches do boast about being the natural branches.
Which means? The Catholic Church doesn't claim to have replaced the "natural" branches, it claims Christ founded one Church and it is that Church. Really though how is what you said pertinent to my previous post?
 
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babyboyblue

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Well specifically I can give four.

One- The Catholic Church is one and united absolutely under the Pope. It is not a loose affiliation of self-governing congregations and nor is it a composite group of churches led by various Patriarchs.

Holy- The Catholic Church has produced numerous great Saints even giving us the woman who is mentioned today as the very model of selflessness and charity, Mother Teresa. Finally, the very Sacraments and reverence of the Church is also her mark of holiness

Catholic- The Catholic Church spans all cultures, peoples, and tongues. It has a more diverse membership than any other church body in existence. Wherever the Church is dominant she is a uniting factor for the population, sweeping aside differences. This can be seen in 19th and early 20th century America where you had Irish, German, Italian, and Polish immigrants united against discrimination by the Anglo-Protestant majority for no other reason than they were Catholic. Modern America itself is also evidence of this where a Catholic parish will be filled with White, Asian, Black, and Hispanic people. While most Protestant churches here cater to a specific group like Blacks or Hispanics with most being predominately White.

Apostolic- The Catholic Church has a line of bishops going back to the Apostles themselves, something no Protestant church can claim.

Seriously? Catholic. True Church? Really? Color me skeptical.
 
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SantoSubito

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Seriously? Catholic. True Church? Really? Color me skeptical.
You can be skeptical all you want, it's something you either accept or reject. That's the belief of me and the other 1.4 billion Catholics in the world.
 
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Guys...I think the internet has already answered this question.
 
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Trax

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Which means? The Catholic Church doesn't claim to have replaced the "natural" branches, it claims Christ founded one Church and it is that Church. Really though how is what you said pertinent to my previous post?
It means salvation is of the Jews. (John 4:22) The RCC is pretty much a gentile organization.
The Oracles of God were given to the Jews, not gentiles. The natural branches were broken
off, so gentiles could enter.

Rom 11:17-21 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; (18) Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. (19) Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. (20) Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: (21) For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Sorry, but the Roman Catholic Church has no claims to "The True Church."
 
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babyboyblue

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You can be skeptical all you want, it's something you either accept or reject. That's the belief of me and the other 1.4 billion Catholics in the world.
I see. 1.4 billion you say. Doesn't matter if 6.4 billion people believed that. Certainly doesn't make it so. I remain skeptical.
 
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SantoSubito

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It means salvation is of the Jews. (John 4:22) The RCC is pretty much a gentile organization.
The Oracles of God were given to the Jews, not gentiles. The natural branches were broken
off, so gentiles could enter.
Is it? quite a bit of it's ritual has Jewish roots and the Catholic Church has quite a few convert Jews in it's ranks (a couple are even Cardinals). Take a look at the first half of the Mass, the Liturgy of the Word, it is essentially Synagogue style worship. Prayers are recited, Scripture is read, and Psalms are chanted. The Liturgy of the Eucharist is essentially the Passover meal and just like in Judaism liturgy and ritual are an intimate part of Catholicism.

Most of the liturgical songs come from Jewish roots as well, such as the Sanctus which is basically the Hebrew Kadusha prayer.

Sorry, but the Roman Catholic Church has no claims to "The True Church."
Pray tell then what church does?
 
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SantoSubito

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Guys...I think the internet has already answered this question.
I actually read that entire article you posted and then I got to the end of the page only to find out it was the Mormons. I was eagerly expecting it to be some fringe group in like the Nevada desert.
 
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Trax

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Pray tell then what church does?
Who is the vine? Its Jesus. Who are the branches? The saved.
You want to claim the branches on the left side of the vine as the "true branches."
The Roman Catholic church don't dictate who the Lord saves. Claiming "The True
Church" is this:
1Co 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
I am of Apollos, so I'm the real Christian. No, you're wrong, I'm of Paul, so I am the real
Christian. So which denomination is the true church. The Paul denomination or the Apollos
denomination? Neither. They are just branches in the vine.
 
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surrender2God

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It seems to me you are missing the whole point- Christianity isn't about religion it is about a relationship with God through Jesus Christ. It doesn't matter what you call yourself or what sign hangs in front of the church it is about what is in your heart and that you have accepted Jesus Christ as your Saviour and how we conduct ourselves and treat others according to the Bible.