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feedm3

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Perhaps, but in the 50+ CoC sermons I heard I don't recall hearing much about it. But then again the preacher was rather long winded and my patience started to run out after we had passed the 45 minute mark in the sermon.
Lol, been there.





I read it a while ago, but I can certainly see how it wasn't considered since we know it wasn't written by Enoch.
Yea, I just found it to be unique and fascinating.



In that case I don't know how it would have flopped unless some of the member congregations withdrew their support.
I dont know the details of the one your talking about. Maybe they did not handle it that way, maybe they were an anti congregation. They call themselves non-institutional, but mostly known as anti-s



It's also something of a inherited mentality, which is why Catholics will primarily marry Catholics for example. But where most non-Catholics fail in trying to speak to Catholics is in not taking into account how Catholics think. We aren't to terribly impressed if you can show us what you believe from the Bible, since we can as well and so can everyone else. What we're concerned with is where does your view show up in history and is it part of the Tradition which we've had handed down to us. All of that just leads to further the frustration since in these conversations we're operating on two entirely different wavelengths.
Yea can see how that can be frustrating. It's the other way around for us, traditions in our view "makes the command of God of no effect" (Matt 15:3, 6), meaning tradition cannot override scripture. Many I talk to say they can prove their belief and practices by the scripture, but usually end up contradicting themselves or becoming very inconsistent in their views, to me that is a sign of error.
 
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Rahz

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  1 Peter 3:22

    22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers made subject to him.
  
If there are powers and authorities under God in Heaven, why can't there  be powers and authorities under God on earth?  There are and God made  it so
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        But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation,   God's own people,  in order that you may proclaim the mighty acts of   him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.
The Catholic  Church is the only" Holy Nation" on earth and with a royal priesthood                                 
 
Because Chirst said all authoirty has been given to Him in heaven and earth.
Because no one can take Christ's role as head of the church.
I Pet 2:9 does not say we are heads of His church, it is telling us what an honor it is to be part of God's children.[FONT=Arial Black]
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Of course Jesus has all authority, and as such he can appoint those he chooses to do his bidding and act
with authority
Matthew 10:1 NRSA

Then Jesus summoned his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to cure every disease and every sickness.
 
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feedm3

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  1 Peter 3:22

    22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers made subject to him.
  
If there are powers and authorities under God in Heaven, why can't there  be powers and authorities under God on earth?  There are and God made  it so
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        But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation,   God's own people,  in order that you may proclaim the mighty acts of   him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.
The Catholic  Church is the only" Holy Nation" on earth and with a royal priesthood                                 
 
Because Chirst said all authoirty has been given to Him in heaven and earth.
Because no one can take Christ's role as head of the church.
I Pet 2:9 does not say we are heads of His church, it is telling us what an honor it is to be part of God's children.[FONT=Arial Black]
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Of course Jesus has all authority, and as such he can appoint those he chooses to do his bidding and act
with authority
Matthew 10:1 NRSA

Then Jesus summoned his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to cure every disease and every sickness.
I agree with that, and these same men are the one who proclaimed Jesus as head of the church (Col 1:18) by this excluding anyone else including themselves.
 

loveme1

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My concept of a "True Church" is of course the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. But what many here will say is that a "True Church" is one that teaches the Bible, which is rather vague.[/QUOTE


What is Holy about the Catholic church?

They do everything Yahweh Almighty detests, yet you think it is holy? by mans standards it seems holy, but

Almighty Yahweh is the one who decided what is holy!!!

How you fail to realise how your church is against Almighty Yahweh..........

You are part of a manipulation that infiltrated and misguided many upon many................

I read the Bible and see the truth, you have been guided by men, and not Yahweh Almighty.

Take off those pope glasses and read the Bible with your own heart and soul.

You know there was a time that i thought the Catholic church seemed to be holy, until i read the Bible front to back, and not as a reference.

I tell you if you do not read the Bible before entering into these churches, we could easily be duped by them.
 

loveme1

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Any group that claims it is the "True Church" needs to avoided at all cost.
Christians in the Middle East and China are more dedicated to the Lord than those
in the free world. And those people are small groups, meeting in someone's house.
Most don't even have a Bible, but they belong to Him. They are His sheep.
They don't have a board of directors or a hiearchy priesthood, but they are winning souls
and dying for Him.

Agree, those people put their life on the line daily for Almighty Yahweh...
People dying every day for the truth, that is a true following of Yahweh God ALmighty and accepting salvation through Yeshua our Messiah.
 

JaumeJ

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My concept of a "True Church" is of course the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. But what many here will say is that a "True Church" is one that teaches the Bible, which is rather vague.
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Have you thought seriously about what you have written here? You have stated that teaching the Bible is rather vague.
As a child, I was sent summers to Bible school on Sundays, and I was taught the very basic teaching that Jesus loves me.
Having changed homes over a dozen times while growing up, I would go to the Christian church nearest my current home, never realizing they were different denominations at first, later it did not matter.
My religion was always based on the teaching, Jesus loves me. That was and still is my religion.
Having received the Holy Spirit in the interim, I realize, I know, there are believers in all denominations, Jesus knows who they are. I have met believers in many denominations, even Catholic, people who know God is love, and they do whatever they are given to be able to please the love that is God. As for THE CHURCH, there is none today. The holy people have been scattered and we now await the coming of our Lord, Jesus Christ, with eager, loving, faithful and hopifilled anticipation. Blessed be all in Jesus Christ, and all who will come to Him, amen.
 

loveme1

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Misguided individuals who really believe they are worshiping Yahweh Almighty God and accepting Salvation through Yeshua son of Yahweh Almighty, our saviour.


It is a good thing Almighty Yahweh knows a mans heart and soul, that is how he knows his sheep true followers even if they have gone wandering with the wolves in sheep clothing....

Love each other, do not leave fellow sheep with the wolves in sheep clothing.
 

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My concept of a "True Church" is of course the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. But what many here will say is that a "True Church" is one that teaches the Bible, which is rather vague.[/QUOTE


What is Holy about the Catholic church?

They do everything Yahweh Almighty detests, yet you think it is holy? by mans standards it seems holy, but

Almighty Yahweh is the one who decided what is holy!!!

How you fail to realise how your church is against Almighty Yahweh..........

You are part of a manipulation that infiltrated and misguided many upon many................

I read the Bible and see the truth, you have been guided by men, and not Yahweh Almighty.

Take off those pope glasses and read the Bible with your own heart and soul.

You know there was a time that i thought the Catholic church seemed to be holy, until i read the Bible front to back, and not as a reference.

I tell you if you do not read the Bible before entering into these churches, we could easily be duped by them.

I read the Bible and was lead to the Catholic Church. Reading it front to back really reinforces how Biblical the Catholic Church is. It's amazing!
 
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I like the Catholic church because they include all 72 books more than anything else.
 
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triplet347

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Seriously? Catholic. True Church? Really? Color me skeptical.

I was once a very skeptical anti-Catholic for over ten years. I can appreciate your sarcasm and skepticism. After almost four years of reading and researching the claims of the Catholic Church, I became Catholic and was received into the Church in 2003. Every intellectual question and all of the psychological hang-ups I had were more than aswered.

I encourage you to research with a health skepticism and you will be surprised by what you find. I was and I've never regretted.

God bless,
 
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triplet347

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I like the Catholic church because they include all 72 books more than anything else.

The Catholic Church includes all 73 books, not 72. The Catholic Church includes 7 books from the OT the non-Catholics exclude (They only have 66 books in their bibles).
 
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Have you thought seriously about what you have written here? You have stated that teaching the Bible is rather vague.
As a child, I was sent summers to Bible school on Sundays, and I was taught the very basic teaching that Jesus loves me.
Having changed homes over a dozen times while growing up, I would go to the Christian church nearest my current home, never realizing they were different denominations at first, later it did not matter.
My religion was always based on the teaching, Jesus loves me. That was and still is my religion.
Having received the Holy Spirit in the interim, I realize, I know, there are believers in all denominations, Jesus knows who they are. I have met believers in many denominations, even Catholic, people who know God is love, and they do whatever they are given to be able to please the love that is God. As for THE CHURCH, there is none today. The holy people have been scattered and we now await the coming of our Lord, Jesus Christ, with eager, loving, faithful and hopifilled anticipation. Blessed be all in Jesus Christ, and all who will come to Him, amen.

Basing your belief on the fact that Jesus loves me is a great place to start if you are a child, but at some point you need to start cutting your teeth on some real meat. God is not a god of confusion nor is He a scoundrel who fathers children of different mothers. There is only one mother church and it is up to every one of us to do our due diligents to find out which chuch is Holy Mother Church because when we stand before the Almighty One one day, we will have to answer for that.

God bless,
 

JaumeJ

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Basing your belief on the fact that Jesus loves me is a great place to start if you are a child, but at some point you need to start cutting your teeth on some real meat. God is not a god of confusion nor is He a scoundrel who fathers children of different mothers. There is only one mother church and it is up to every one of us to do our due diligents to find out which chuch is Holy Mother Church because when we stand before the Almighty One one day, we will have to answer for that.

God bless,
I live in a country where the predominant religion is Catholicism. The people of this religion openly pray to saints, forbidden by the Word. They worship lifeless representations of people, even having scores of versions of those who are designated by a pope as saints. God makes saints, and all who love Jesus Christ are sanctified by His Blood. When I leave this age, if Jesus does not come for me first, I hope no one starts praying to me, that is tantamount to being a familiar spirit. They have something they call a sacrement, extreme unction which they somehow derived from the scripture advising us to anoint the ill with oil in order for them to be healed. The church you talk about has perverted that to mean the last rites. How did that come about.............I do not pray to people, I never will. I pray with the saints to God almighty. God bless all in Jesus Christ, amen.
 
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The Catholic Church includes all 73 books, not 72. The Catholic Church includes 7 books from the OT the non-Catholics exclude (They only have 66 books in their bibles).

Correct, typo
 
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I live in a country where the predominant religion is Catholicism. The people of this religion openly pray to saints, forbidden by the Word. They worship lifeless representations of people, even having scores of versions of those who are designated by a pope as saints. God makes saints, and all who love Jesus Christ are sanctified by His Blood. When I leave this age, if Jesus does not come for me first, I hope no one starts praying to me, that is tantamount to being a familiar spirit. They have something they call a sacrement, extreme unction which they somehow derived from the scripture advising us to anoint the ill with oil in order for them to be healed. The church you talk about has perverted that to mean the last rites. How did that come about.............I do not pray to people, I never will. I pray with the saints to God almighty. God bless all in Jesus Christ, amen.

1) Where in the Word is it forbidden to pray to saints?

2) Where does the Catholic Church condone or teach to worship lifeless representations of people?

3) As far as the Sacrament of Extreme Unction, have you not read in the Word where the disciples with went and annointed the sick with oils and healed them? (Mark 6:13) or where James says if anyone is sick to call on the elder to come and pray over them and annoint with oil to be healed and their sins forgiven? (James 5:14-15)

Have you have kissed the photograph of one of your children? Have you ever asked your mother, father, brother, or sister to pray for you? If you have, then you are an idolator by your own standards. What Catholics believe about the saint in heaven is that they are just as alive as you or me. They just don't have their physical bodies yet. They are aware of what goes on here and in heaven (read The Book of Revelations). Catholics pray to the saints and ask them to pray for us just as you would ask a family member to pray for you in some situation you might find yourself in. Remember, the Psalms speak of how the prayers of a righteous man avails much. How much more righteous are the prayers of those who are already in heaven? How about the prayers of the Mother of God, Mary. All Catholics are doing is honoring those who God honors. Catholics honor Mary because God honors Mary. Jesus (God) was a devout Jew and kept the Ten Commandments more perfectly than we can imagine. One of the Ten Commandments is the 4th, Thou shall honor thy mother and father. Well, Jesus honored his mother. The Hebrew word used for honor literally means to give glory to. So Jesus, being God, gave His glory to his own Mother and saved her from sin. Think about it. If you could wouldn't you spare your mom the defilement of sin, even original sin? YOU WOULD and any good son would want that. There is nothing wrong with that, but we can't, but Jesus could and so He did and thereby fufilling that commandment more perfectly than any human could.

Please respond in the same courteous manner as I have. This way we can have a dialogue. I hope this makes sense.

God bless,
 

JaumeJ

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1) Where in the Word is it forbidden to pray to saints?

2) Where does the Catholic Church condone or teach to worship lifeless representations of people?

3) As far as the Sacrament of Extreme Unction, have you not read in the Word where the disciples with went and annointed the sick with oils and healed them? (Mark 6:13) or where James says if anyone is sick to call on the elder to come and pray over them and annoint with oil to be healed and their sins forgiven? (James 5:14-15)

Have you have kissed the photograph of one of your children? Have you ever asked your mother, father, brother, or sister to pray for you? If you have, then you are an idolator by your own standards. What Catholics believe about the saint in heaven is that they are just as alive as you or me. They just don't have their physical bodies yet. They are aware of what goes on here and in heaven (read The Book of Revelations). Catholics pray to the saints and ask them to pray for us just as you would ask a family member to pray for you in some situation you might find yourself in. Remember, the Psalms speak of how the prayers of a righteous man avails much. How much more righteous are the prayers of those who are already in heaven? How about the prayers of the Mother of God, Mary. All Catholics are doing is honoring those who God honors. Catholics honor Mary because God honors Mary. Jesus (God) was a devout Jew and kept the Ten Commandments more perfectly than we can imagine. One of the Ten Commandments is the 4th, Thou shall honor thy mother and father. Well, Jesus honored his mother. The Hebrew word used for honor literally means to give glory to. So Jesus, being God, gave His glory to his own Mother and saved her from sin. Think about it. If you could wouldn't you spare your mom the defilement of sin, even original sin? YOU WOULD and any good son would want that. There is nothing wrong with that, but we can't, but Jesus could and so He did and thereby fufilling that commandment more perfectly than any human could.

Please respond in the same courteous manner as I have. This way we can have a dialogue. I hope this makes sense.

God bless,[/quote

I am afraid this reasoning is to surreal for my interaction. God bless all in Jesus Christ, and all who will come to Him, amen.
 
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triplet347

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I am afraid this reasoning is to surreal for my interaction. God bless all in Jesus Christ, and all who will come to Him, amen.
Sureal? This just tells me you have not thought hard about your assertions about Catholocism and tells me you have no good reason, other than what you were told, to hold your position on Catholocism.

I hope you actually read something like the Catechism of the Catholic Church to find out from the horses mouth what they believe.

God bless,
 
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triplet347

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JaumeJ,

You cannot answer 1) and 2) above? You cannot defend your own assertions? You should not make accusations or assertions if you cannot give good reasoned arguments to support those assertions, else their just assertions and opinion.

I hope you come back and give it a try.