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God cannot lie. He said what He did. Sad that someone who claims to love God would dare contradict him. Jesus told Peter, "Get behind me Satan" for similar reason.
Jesus acknowledged the creation account, of Adam and Eve, of the Flood, even of Jonah. Are folks willing to call Jesus a liar too.
Why would God want to miraculously maintain for millions of years until everything was in place when he said he created it in 6 days. Where is the evidence that he did such?
Jesus acknowledged the creation account, of Adam and Eve, of the Flood, even of Jonah. Are folks willing to call Jesus a liar too.
Why would God want to miraculously maintain for millions of years until everything was in place when he said he created it in 6 days. Where is the evidence that he did such?
God created the sun and the moon on the fourth day. We judge a day as the time that it takes for the sun to seem to go all the around the earth from our perspective. How could days have existed before the sun? Also, according to which reference frame was it one day? I doubt that the periods of time were millions or billions of years -- it wouldn't be the first time scientists have misinterpreted evidence -- but I also have no reason for adhering very strongly to the idea that they were 24-hour days.
T
My point exactly. The evidence says that the world is millions of years old. If God created the world, one of two things is true: Either He created it in six days and then planted false evidence to deceive us, or he created the world according to evolution, as the evidence shows, and then wrote a beautiful parable about it as recorded in Genesis.
You seem bent on worshiping a god who is deceitful. I prefer a God who is truthful and poetic. That's just me. I will defend your right to worship any god you want to, just know that my God does not lie.
Everywhere. The evidence is everywhere that he did such. If he did not, he planted evidence falsely. And I say again, I will not worship a trickster god.
You seem bent on worshiping a god who is deceitful. I prefer a God who is truthful and poetic. That's just me. I will defend your right to worship any god you want to, just know that my God does not lie.
Everywhere. The evidence is everywhere that he did such. If he did not, he planted evidence falsely. And I say again, I will not worship a trickster god.
I'm somewhat familiar with much of the evidence that the world is very old. However, it is generally based on assumptions about what was present in the first place, and assumptions of a uniform progression since then.
I think that much of it is like this: If God created Adam as an adult man instead of as a baby (or a zygote), one could argue that God had been deceptive by creating something that had the appearance of age, since normally an adult human has lived for multiple years. However, no deceit would need be in God's mind because he never intended for us to believe that he had existed for multiple years in the first place.
This sort of argument could be made about just about anything. God could be held at fault for creating just about anything under this logic. He could create anything immediately out of nothing, but anything could be argued to be of a certain age according to certain processes and assumptions, so that nearly anything at all could be argued to be any age you pleased, depending on your assumptions.
On one hand, I doubt that God intended to state clearly the age of the universe when the Bible was written. On the other hand, I doubt that he is particular concerned what we think the age of the universe is now, either. That is why it does not particularly matter that some people before thought that the earth was 6.000 years old, or that some people now think that it is millions or billions of years old.
I think that much of it is like this: If God created Adam as an adult man instead of as a baby (or a zygote), one could argue that God had been deceptive by creating something that had the appearance of age, since normally an adult human has lived for multiple years. However, no deceit would need be in God's mind because he never intended for us to believe that he had existed for multiple years in the first place.
This sort of argument could be made about just about anything. God could be held at fault for creating just about anything under this logic. He could create anything immediately out of nothing, but anything could be argued to be of a certain age according to certain processes and assumptions, so that nearly anything at all could be argued to be any age you pleased, depending on your assumptions.
On one hand, I doubt that God intended to state clearly the age of the universe when the Bible was written. On the other hand, I doubt that he is particular concerned what we think the age of the universe is now, either. That is why it does not particularly matter that some people before thought that the earth was 6.000 years old, or that some people now think that it is millions or billions of years old.
L
It is simple the Bible says this:-
Exodus 20:11
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
We cannot make science fit into the Bible. The Bible comes first then science. If science says that the earth is millions of years old then science is wrong.
Watch this video
101 - The Earth In Time And Space - Amazing Discoveries TV
Exodus 20:11
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
We cannot make science fit into the Bible. The Bible comes first then science. If science says that the earth is millions of years old then science is wrong.
Watch this video
101 - The Earth In Time And Space - Amazing Discoveries TV
It doesn't take faith to look around us and see that the light comes from the sun, the moon, and the stars.
It does however take faith to see that, the Light is the Word, The sun is The Son, The moon is The Law,
And the Stars are The Angels, All sources of Light (The Word) given to mankind, in different stages of Redemption.
The Greater Light to rule the Day, He is The Day Star and He does Rule, We are the children of Light.
The lesser Light to rule the Night, Those in obscurity, under Law, under the covering of darkness and it rules those who are under it.
The evening and the morning were the first day.
The darkness came first. The law came first to show our need for a Saviour.
The Sun that comes in the morning or as Christ is also called The Morning Star, comes afterwards, and He did.
But the Seventh Day, has no end. Just as there are no more Generations after Christ, when the sun and the moon and the stars have done their work,
Their is no need for Them anymore, for The Lamb is The Light thereof.
And All has been made in His image and His likeness.
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
According to Peter:
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Just as a side note, The Jews as far as I understand, their days start at 6:00PM, in the Evening
and end at 6:00 in the morning, And are still under The law.
It does however take faith to see that, the Light is the Word, The sun is The Son, The moon is The Law,
And the Stars are The Angels, All sources of Light (The Word) given to mankind, in different stages of Redemption.
The Greater Light to rule the Day, He is The Day Star and He does Rule, We are the children of Light.
The lesser Light to rule the Night, Those in obscurity, under Law, under the covering of darkness and it rules those who are under it.
The evening and the morning were the first day.
The darkness came first. The law came first to show our need for a Saviour.
The Sun that comes in the morning or as Christ is also called The Morning Star, comes afterwards, and He did.
But the Seventh Day, has no end. Just as there are no more Generations after Christ, when the sun and the moon and the stars have done their work,
Their is no need for Them anymore, for The Lamb is The Light thereof.
And All has been made in His image and His likeness.
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
According to Peter:
2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Just as a side note, The Jews as far as I understand, their days start at 6:00PM, in the Evening
and end at 6:00 in the morning, And are still under The law.
B
So umm, you're saying that God, the Mighty Jehovah, Creator of all things, the one from whom All Power emanates, does not have the power to speak and it is so? I find it incredible that you would say that God planted "false evidence to deceive". When perhaps its just our understanding of the "evidence" that is wrong. Mercy.
T
No, actually, it isn't based on assumptions of "a uniform progression." And you clearly aren't even a little bit familiar with the scientific theories of evolution and the big bang theory, or you would know that. I'm not going to tell you what to believe. However, I do suggest that before you discard some theory as "wrong," you might want to learn it from someone who actually does accept it, rather than relying on websites that assume young earth or intelligent design, or some other non-scientific theory.
I am actually familiar with this argument, and it's still faulty.
If God had created Adam (or any human) as a fully grown adult rather than letting it grow from infancy, there would be all sorts of signs one could tell to ascertain how long Adam had been "in existence." There are tell-tale signs in teeth, bones, hair, skin, etc., which would reveal a younger age (a few days), even if Adam appeared to be 30 or however old God created him at that time. Unless, of course, God chose to erase these signs, which, again, is deceitful.
Here's the deal. If I told you, "I was born yesterday," and you saw my birth certificate indicating that I was actually born almost five decades ago, which do you think is most likely: (a) I'm lying, (b) the birth certificate has been falsified, or (c) I'm using the phrase "I was born yesterday" in a poetic sense, a metaphor, for a specific purpose. Seriously. Which is most likely?
You are saying (b) -- that God purposely tampered with evidence, rather than (c), a far more likely and obvious answer?
Option (b), that you except, makes God out to be a deceitful trickster. Option (c), my choice, makes God out to be a poet.
So, if you don't mind, I will worship my artful and gracious God. You can keep your trickster-god.
I am actually familiar with this argument, and it's still faulty.
If God had created Adam (or any human) as a fully grown adult rather than letting it grow from infancy, there would be all sorts of signs one could tell to ascertain how long Adam had been "in existence." There are tell-tale signs in teeth, bones, hair, skin, etc., which would reveal a younger age (a few days), even if Adam appeared to be 30 or however old God created him at that time. Unless, of course, God chose to erase these signs, which, again, is deceitful.
Here's the deal. If I told you, "I was born yesterday," and you saw my birth certificate indicating that I was actually born almost five decades ago, which do you think is most likely: (a) I'm lying, (b) the birth certificate has been falsified, or (c) I'm using the phrase "I was born yesterday" in a poetic sense, a metaphor, for a specific purpose. Seriously. Which is most likely?
You are saying (b) -- that God purposely tampered with evidence, rather than (c), a far more likely and obvious answer?
Option (b), that you except, makes God out to be a deceitful trickster. Option (c), my choice, makes God out to be a poet.
So, if you don't mind, I will worship my artful and gracious God. You can keep your trickster-god.
T
Of course he could, if he so chose. It's just that that is not how he chose to do it.
You're saying that God, YHWH, creator of all things, couldn't possibly have used the process of evolution to create all life? Or are you saying he just couldn't have written about it poetically, to a people who had no way to comprehend the literal, so he chose to describe it in a way they could understand.
I'm not the one who is saying God planted false evidence, you are. I know better. And mercy indeed.
You're saying that God, YHWH, creator of all things, couldn't possibly have used the process of evolution to create all life? Or are you saying he just couldn't have written about it poetically, to a people who had no way to comprehend the literal, so he chose to describe it in a way they could understand.
I'm not the one who is saying God planted false evidence, you are. I know better. And mercy indeed.
B
Considering the fact that God is a creator and seeks to have Intelligent relationships with Intelligent Humans, it just doesn't make sense that He would create a monkey and wait a few million years so it can evolve into a man, when He can just create the man. What would be the purpose of this? Shouldn't the bible then say "and He made man in the image of monkey." When Adam and Eve sinned, the record should've read, "behold, the monkey has become smart, and will one day turn into a man. Yes!!! Soon we will have someone to talk to."
I'm certainly not suggesting even in the slightest that God planted anything false. In the beginning He made all things Good, Good, very Good.
T
Good heavens, what are they teaching kids these days?!?!?!?
Evolution does not teach that man evolved from a monkey. IF you are interested in learning, I recommend you go to a credited institution of higher learning and take any beginning biology class to learn what evolution actually teaches, not what fundies claim they teach.
If you're not interested in learning, so be it. I can't force you to educate yourself.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you people want to believe that God lies. Your own preachers lie to you day in and day out. So sad.
Evolution does not teach that man evolved from a monkey. IF you are interested in learning, I recommend you go to a credited institution of higher learning and take any beginning biology class to learn what evolution actually teaches, not what fundies claim they teach.
If you're not interested in learning, so be it. I can't force you to educate yourself.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you people want to believe that God lies. Your own preachers lie to you day in and day out. So sad.
Gen.1, and 2, are not about the creation of the world or about the history of it.
It is HIS-STORY, of The Redemption of Mankind.
Adam is a picture of our beginnings, Christ is the picture of our Ending, hence the term,
"The first Adam, and The Last Adam.
Adam, " in the Garden" is NOT, In His image, Since when was God made out of the dust of the ground?
Do you really think that those trees inside that Garden were real fruit trees that he was told he could eat from?
Mar 8:23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.
Mar 8:24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Adam was Created in His image and in His likeness ONLY Through the Christ, who Is the image of The invisible God.
Adam needed to grow in his mentality, Through partaking of The Tree of The knowledge of Good and Evil, this was made possible. For by The Law is The KNOWLEDGE of sin. It is also meant to bring us to Christ.
Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
In The Seventh Day, which has no end, is when God Rested from making, All mankind in His image and in His likeness. And He saw that it was very Good. This is The Finished Work of God in Christ.
Gen. 1 is the Blueprint for all that is seen afterwards, from the Beginning to the end.
Isa 46:10 Telling from the beginning, the hereafter, and from aforetime, what has not yet been done. Saying, `All My counsel shall be confirmed, and all My desire will I do.'"
If we want to know our End, we will find it in The Beginning.
It is HIS-STORY, of The Redemption of Mankind.
Adam is a picture of our beginnings, Christ is the picture of our Ending, hence the term,
"The first Adam, and The Last Adam.
Adam, " in the Garden" is NOT, In His image, Since when was God made out of the dust of the ground?
Do you really think that those trees inside that Garden were real fruit trees that he was told he could eat from?
Mar 8:23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.
Mar 8:24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Adam was Created in His image and in His likeness ONLY Through the Christ, who Is the image of The invisible God.
Adam needed to grow in his mentality, Through partaking of The Tree of The knowledge of Good and Evil, this was made possible. For by The Law is The KNOWLEDGE of sin. It is also meant to bring us to Christ.
Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
In The Seventh Day, which has no end, is when God Rested from making, All mankind in His image and in His likeness. And He saw that it was very Good. This is The Finished Work of God in Christ.
Gen. 1 is the Blueprint for all that is seen afterwards, from the Beginning to the end.
Isa 46:10 Telling from the beginning, the hereafter, and from aforetime, what has not yet been done. Saying, `All My counsel shall be confirmed, and all My desire will I do.'"
If we want to know our End, we will find it in The Beginning.
And this attitude towards the spiritual mind of Christ, is why you remain blind to them.
What is born of flesh is flesh, what is born of the Spirit is Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
What is born of flesh is flesh, what is born of the Spirit is Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.