This is for GreenNnice.
What about 1 John 3:11 "Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him."
If a murderer has no eternal life abiding in him, how could he go on being eternally tormented???
God bless.
Tom
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Having no 'eternal life in abiding in Him' is not to be taken in the literal, at least not the 'life' word, as I see it and I believe I can show scripture for this proof. tommybo, this is speaking of this murdering person not going to be going to Heaven for life everlasting. eternal life in 1 john 3:11 = everlasting life in Heaven , to equation my understanding
Now some scripture for importance and meaning for the word 'life' in a grand sense....
I am the way , the truth, and, the life, no man comes to the
Father but by me. The word 'life' refers to eternal life in Heaven.
This 'brother' and 'murdering' versse , as you listed, tommybo, from 1 John 3:15 (not 1 John 3:11 , as you listed, can be proven to mean eternal life with Christ by cross referencing a number of verses, including a verse in leading up to this verse...
1 John 2:25 - And this is the promise that He has promised us-- eternal life.
But I like what IKnowHim says too, she proves my point by saying that eternal destruction needs something else, another half, if you will, to make it assymetrical or symmetrical, balanced, whole, and, that other half, I feel, is eternal life.
And, no, I do not believe in salvation for all, but her last post first sentence speaks of the artistic completeness that I believe God paints the perfect picture of in the speaking of opposites....
In other words... people can either choose to abide in eternal life in Heaven or eternal destruction in Hell.
John 3:16 speaks of 'everlasting life' given all believers in Christ, and, to put my final period on this, we can look at the verse right before John 3:16.... 15 says ' That whoever believes in him should not perish but have...'
Have what?
eternal life .
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Tommybo, I am thinking out loud that the word 'perish' needs to be gone through more, I looked at two definitions. 'Die' was a definition. 'Rot' was a definition. But so was another definition fascinating to me:
'to be near death with thirst'. And, one more def for us to ponder....
Suffering.