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I don't know about that, don't feel like looking up the definition for "Covenant Theologian" but I guess it's possible sine I don't know the definition.
What I do know is the Bible is clear the Law of Moses was not permanent, in merely typified Christ and His church - Heb 10:1.
Christ fulfilled the law and took it out of the way - Col 2:14.
This enabled all to become the sons of God if they wish, not limited to physical Jews. In a sense when we are outside of Christ we are Gentiles, when we submit to his will we are made spiritual "Jews" by the circumcision of the heart. I understand we are not really Jews in any since of the word.
People make to big a deal about the modern Jews today, when the Bible does not. Most of the prophecies concerning the Jews in the OT (which many are still looking at modern Israel) were fulfilled with Christ's death and the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70.
Christians are now God's people, not Jews or any other.
What I do know is the Bible is clear the Law of Moses was not permanent, in merely typified Christ and His church - Heb 10:1.
Christ fulfilled the law and took it out of the way - Col 2:14.
This enabled all to become the sons of God if they wish, not limited to physical Jews. In a sense when we are outside of Christ we are Gentiles, when we submit to his will we are made spiritual "Jews" by the circumcision of the heart. I understand we are not really Jews in any since of the word.
People make to big a deal about the modern Jews today, when the Bible does not. Most of the prophecies concerning the Jews in the OT (which many are still looking at modern Israel) were fulfilled with Christ's death and the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70.
Christians are now God's people, not Jews or any other.
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It occurs to me that, even if not all are saved, we really don't know which people will be saved and which will not. We know that Christ commanded us to spread the Good News of Christ's life, death, and glorious resurrection, so we should preach that to ALL people. Should we not treat every human we meet as a child of God, potentially saved?
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Are you seriously this stupid?
I think you better go back to school if you don't know how we get a day. The Bible says that the earth was created in 6 days and everything in it and He rested the 7th. The person who wrote that in Exodus 20:11 is the same writer who wrote Genesis 1 and when he wrote it a day was the same length of time as it is now. To believe that it was millions of years is mixing in evolution with creation. It is just trying to change the meaning of the Bible to fit evolutions ideas.
We either believe the word of God or we do not.
Exodus 20:11
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
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I think you better go back to school if you don't know how we get a day. The Bible says that the earth was created in 6 days and everything in it and He rested the 7th. The person who wrote that in Exodus 20:11 is the same writer who wrote Genesis 1 and when he wrote it a day was the same length of time as it is now. To believe that it was millions of years is mixing in evolution with creation. It is just trying to change the meaning of the Bible to fit evolutions ideas.
We either believe the word of God or we do not.
Exodus 20:11
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
A chicken Atheist is an agnostic while the chicken Christian is a Theistic Evolutionist.
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Different cultures use language differently. That's something you might learn at school. But not in a backwards Christian-only don't teach anything about science or anything that might threaten your fragile faith school. No, you'd have to go to an accredited institution of learning for that.
I'm sorry if that sounds rude and harsh, but honestly, accusing someone of lacking knowledge for actually being more educated than you are is just too much. Now, if you have faith that God meant six 24-hour days, then fine, that is your faith, and I support your right to hold that faith. However, those who understand Genesis as myth do not lack knowledge. They may lack faith -- they certainly do not have the same beliefs that you have -- but to accuse someone of being "uneducated" just because they have a different opinion?
Actually, no. Even the most conservative theologians accept the four-source theory of the Pentateuch which states that Genesis and Exodus were not written by one person, and not even by four people, but by four groups of people, each with its own agenda.
I actually agree. Trying to force the story of Genesis to make it "fit" evolution totally misses the point. Genesis 1 is not a story of evolution, it's a story of creation. It was never intended to be taken literally. Genesis 2 is another story, completely different, contradictory, in fact, to Genesis 1. The two stories don't even agree with each other, I don't expect either one to agree with science. Trying to twist either one around and make it scientifically accurate actually ruins the beauty of the myth that God intended them both to be.
If you want to place your faith in a book that has changed and been altered over the ages, that is your right. As for me and my house, we shall worship the Lord.
I'm sorry if that sounds rude and harsh, but honestly, accusing someone of lacking knowledge for actually being more educated than you are is just too much. Now, if you have faith that God meant six 24-hour days, then fine, that is your faith, and I support your right to hold that faith. However, those who understand Genesis as myth do not lack knowledge. They may lack faith -- they certainly do not have the same beliefs that you have -- but to accuse someone of being "uneducated" just because they have a different opinion?
Actually, no. Even the most conservative theologians accept the four-source theory of the Pentateuch which states that Genesis and Exodus were not written by one person, and not even by four people, but by four groups of people, each with its own agenda.
I actually agree. Trying to force the story of Genesis to make it "fit" evolution totally misses the point. Genesis 1 is not a story of evolution, it's a story of creation. It was never intended to be taken literally. Genesis 2 is another story, completely different, contradictory, in fact, to Genesis 1. The two stories don't even agree with each other, I don't expect either one to agree with science. Trying to twist either one around and make it scientifically accurate actually ruins the beauty of the myth that God intended them both to be.
If you want to place your faith in a book that has changed and been altered over the ages, that is your right. As for me and my house, we shall worship the Lord.
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The issue is more about why those Christians try to inject millions of years into the plain writing and language of the history of the earth found in Genesis. The reason is because the prevailing naturalists require billions of years for their anti-Creator religion. Theiir stories are everywhere so Christians believe they must compromise with the Naturalists. But being a Christian requires one to be Supernaturalist. Do you believe in the Virgin birth which is not natural? How about the Physical resurrection of Jesus Christ? Again this is supernatural. How about all the miracles of Jesus, how about a donkey talking to a man, all the events of Moses, angels winning wars, and on and on. If this is true, then why can you as a Christiian simply not accept God's Word given to us by Moses while he was on the Mountain and God spoke wiith him (again supernatural) as written or why are you so bent on compromising God's Word with Naturalists who are anti-Creator, anti-Christ? And what about revelation and what is to come in the Bible? Is this not supernatural. Read John 1:3 "Through him (Jesus Christ) All things were made and without him nothing was made that has been made." You wanna be a Christian then stop tyring to be a naturalist who you have nothing in common with.
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