GOOD FRIDAY?

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I have heard from many christians over the yrs. that they were confused about why the church taught that Yeshua was crucified on friday.
As Matt. 12:40 states that Yeshua was 3 days and 3 nights in the earth, as Jonah was in the fish.
So of course, when you do the math, there is no way you can come up with 3 days and nights from friday to sunday morning.
Here is why the confusion. Since it is commonly taught in the church that the OT is pretty much done away with, including the 7 Feasts of YHVH, no one knows how they work.

Mark 15:42 Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath.

This has been the key reason why it is taught that Yeshua was crucified on friday. Because saturday being the weekly sabbath, it was assumed that He had to have died on friday.
Here is why the misunderstanding.
The Feast of Passover/Unleavened bread are one and first of the 7 feasts.
The first 24 hrs. is Passover, i.e. the meal, and sacrifice of the Passover Lamb which Yeshua became.
The first and last day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread are Feast sabbaths, to be treated as the same as a weekly Sabbath, also known as a Holy Convocation.

Exodus 12:16 On the first day there shall be a holy convocation, and on the seventh day there shall be a holy convocation for you. No manner of work shall be done on them; but that which everyone must eat-that only may be prepared by you.

Lev. 23:7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.

Numbers 28:16 verbatim of Lev. 23:7

So how does this work and affect friday?
For everything to be correct, Yeshua would have had the Last Supper with the disciples on tues. evening. Then as we know He went to the garden to pray, taking along a few disciples, and where He was arrested. Through the night going from pilate, ciaphus, and by morning being condemned to die, brutally beatened and hung on the cross, by which as we know that afternoon He died. So from tues. @ sundown to wed. @ sundown was Passover. Before sundown wed. they took Him off the cross, for it was the preperation Day for the Sabbath of the first day of unleavened bread.
So wed. night, thurs. night, friday night. --Thurs. day, fri. day, and sat. day. 3 days and nights in the earth just as scripture says. For as some of us know and to those who don't, the day begins at sundown according to Genesis 1. It was evening and morning the first day, etc.
On sundown sat. night was the beginning of the first day of the week, and as scripture shows, when Mary went to the tomb it was the dawning of the first day of the week, and she found the stone already rolled away, and the tomb empty.
So, Yeshua at some time during the night of the first day of the week rose from the dead. And scripture all falls into place and makes the simplest of sense.

This is a prime example of why we need to know and read ALL of the Bible, for the church teaches everyone to start in the Brit Hadeshah (NT) and most do just that. For us to fully understand ALL of the NT, we have to know the foundation of ALL of the Word of YHVH, which is the Torah.

Hope you all enjoy this, Shalom

 
Feb 21, 2012
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I have heard from many christians over the yrs. that they were confused about why the church taught that Yeshua was crucified on friday.
As Matt. 12:40 states that Yeshua was 3 days and 3 nights in the earth, as Jonah was in the fish.
So of course, when you do the math, there is no way you can come up with 3 days and nights from friday to sunday morning.
Here is why the confusion. Since it is commonly taught in the church that the OT is pretty much done away with, including the 7 Feasts of YHVH, no one knows how they work.

Mark 15:42 Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath.

This has been the key reason why it is taught that Yeshua was crucified on friday. Because saturday being the weekly sabbath, it was assumed that He had to have died on friday.
Here is why the misunderstanding.
The Feast of Passover/Unleavened bread are one and first of the 7 feasts.
The first 24 hrs. is Passover, i.e. the meal, and sacrifice of the Passover Lamb which Yeshua became.
The first and last day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread are Feast sabbaths, to be treated as the same as a weekly Sabbath, also known as a Holy Convocation.

Exodus 12:16 On the first day there shall be a holy convocation, and on the seventh day there shall be a holy convocation for you. No manner of work shall be done on them; but that which everyone must eat-that only may be prepared by you.

Lev. 23:7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.

Numbers 28:16 verbatim of Lev. 23:7

So how does this work and affect friday?
For everything to be correct, Yeshua would have had the Last Supper with the disciples on tues. evening. Then as we know He went to the garden to pray, taking along a few disciples, and where He was arrested. Through the night going from pilate, ciaphus, and by morning being condemned to die, brutally beatened and hung on the cross, by which as we know that afternoon He died. So from tues. @ sundown to wed. @ sundown was Passover. Before sundown wed. they took Him off the cross, for it was the preperation Day for the Sabbath of the first day of unleavened bread.
So wed. night, thurs. night, friday night. --Thurs. day, fri. day, and sat. day. 3 days and nights in the earth just as scripture says. For as some of us know and to those who don't, the day begins at sundown according to Genesis 1. It was evening and morning the first day, etc.
On sundown sat. night was the beginning of the first day of the week, and as scripture shows, when Mary went to the tomb it was the dawning of the first day of the week, and she found the stone already rolled away, and the tomb empty.
So, Yeshua at some time during the night of the first day of the week rose from the dead. And scripture all falls into place and makes the simplest of sense.

This is a prime example of why we need to know and read ALL of the Bible, for the church teaches everyone to start in the Brit Hadeshah (NT) and most do just that. For us to fully understand ALL of the NT, we have to know the foundation of ALL of the Word of YHVH, which is the Torah.

Hope you all enjoy this, Shalom
Yep! I agree. ;)
 
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Luke 23:56
(56) And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

This verse looks like it is talking about the Sabbath commandment
 
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Luke 23:56
(56) And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

This verse looks like it is talking about the Sabbath commandment
There are different "sabbaths" - the regular weekly sabbath and there were High Sabbaths that occurred during the week for special celebrations.
 
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There are different "sabbaths" - the regular weekly sabbath and there were High Sabbaths that occurred during the week for special celebrations.

I am aware of that but the verse I quoted looks like it is talking about the Sabbath commandment not the ceremonial sabbaths
 
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I am aware of that but the verse I quoted looks like it is talking about the Sabbath commandment not the ceremonial sabbaths
I don't think that I am understanding exactly why you quoted that verse :confused:
 
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I don't think that I am understanding exactly why you quoted that verse :confused:
Luke 23:56
(56) And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
 
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Luke 23:56
(56) And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
Yes it says that but what does that have to do with the title of the thread. The thread is about Jesus being in the grave for three days and three nights and how from Good Friday to Sunday is not three days and three nights. - I guess that is what I am not understanding.
 
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Yes it says that but what does that have to do with the title of the thread. The thread is about Jesus being in the grave for three days and three nights and how from Good Friday to Sunday is not three days and three nights. - I guess that is what I am not understanding.
Brother Avinu has said that the 3 days started on Wednesday but this texts seems to indicate it was Friday the 6th day and the next day was the Sabbath according to the 10 commandements
 
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Brother Avinu has said that the 3 days started on Wednesday but this texts seems to indicate it was Friday the 6th day and the next day was the Sabbath according to the 10 commandements
You forget that Jesus himself said that he would be in the "heart of the earth"(tomb) for three days AND three nights. You may think that this verse is suggesting that it was friday, but if that were true than Jesus did not fulfill the sign as promised. So then you must accept that it is not as you think it is OR you accept that Jesus lied and thus sinned, you can't have it both ways.
 
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You forget that Jesus himself said that he would be in the "heart of the earth"(tomb) for three days AND three nights. You may think that this verse is suggesting that it was friday, but if that were true than Jesus did not fulfill the sign as promised. So then you must accept that it is not as you think it is OR you accept that Jesus lied and thus sinned, you can't have it both ways.
We must take all verses into consideration on the subject
Matthew 16:21
(21) From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
Matthew 17:22-23
(22) And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:
(23) And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.
Matthew 20:18-19

(18) Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
(19) And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.

Notice that these verses include Him being betrayed and suffering so then since it was Thursday night He was betrayed that means the 3 days and 3 nights would be:-
Thursday night, Friday
Friday night, Saturday
Saturday night, Sunday


 
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GOOD FRIDAY DOESN'T HOLD WATER...

Great post!

One slight issue though.

MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day]
of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
MAT 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord
descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat
upon it.
MAT 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
MAT 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead [men].
MAT 28:5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know
that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
MAT 28:6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where
the Lord lay.

This verse seems to imply that Christ was 'already risen' before dawn. Mary came 'as it began to dawn and Christ was already gone'. The sun was still down, 'beginning to dawn'?
I arrived at the conclusion that Christ rose sometime Saturday Evening, Sunday Morning before dawn.

So if you look at this as a reference starting point and subtract 3+3.

Saturday Evening 1
Saturday Day 1
Friday Evening 2
Friday Day 2
Thursday Evening 3
Thursday Day 3

Wednesday Evening 4
Wednesday Day 4

Thursday is the time I arrived at, Christ died at 3pm. Got laid in the tomb before evening Thursday evening? Not sure. He would have spent only part of Thurs-DAY in the tomb though. Provided they could get him in the tomb before the sun went down.

If it is indeed Wednesday, then he would have spent 3 DAYS and 4 NIGHTS?

I'm unsure about my math here and I wouldn't want to put MY stamp of approval on my conclusions to TEACH AS DOCTRINE, however, there is a VERY STRONG ARGUMENT that it WAS Wednesday or Thursday. I see no way "GOOD FRIDAY" holds any water without making Yeshua a liar.

MAT 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so
shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

With love and humility,

J
 
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Addendum

There is a possibility he rose Saturday evening after Saturday DAY. But then where does the earthquake come in?
 
Feb 21, 2012
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We must take all verses into consideration on the subject
Matthew 16:21
(21) From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
Matthew 17:22-23
(22) And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:
(23) And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.
Matthew 20:18-19

(18) Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
(19) And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.

Notice that these verses include Him being betrayed and suffering so then since it was Thursday night He was betrayed that means the 3 days and 3 nights would be:-
Thursday night, Friday
Friday night, Saturday
Saturday night, Sunday


Forgive me if I seem a little slow this morning :) - I just got off of working a 12 hour shift.

Their days ran from sunset to sunset and Jesus had to be crucified and buried before the day of the Passover meal for that was a High Holy day (Sabbath) and the beginning of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. In John 19:31 it says that Jesus died shortly before " the sabbath day" and that "that sabbath day was an high day". A "high day" is a special Sabbath, a Sabbath that can occur on any day of the week, not just Saturday. Wednesday evening to Thursday evening, Thursday evening to Friday evening, Friday evening to Saturday evening and then sometime before dawn on Sunday when the women arrived; he was already risen.

I am so tired I hope I got this right - going to bed now.
 
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May 18, 2011
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Luke 23:56
(56) And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

This verse looks like it is talking about the Sabbath commandment
Feast Sabbaths are a commandment as well, it says so in all the scriptures of the feasts. Sabbath feasts are just as the weekly Sabbath. It says that by it's statement of no servile work is to be done on these feast sabbaths. But brother Lao, you have to look at the fact of the feasts, Unleavened Bread has a sabbath on the first and last day of the feast. Scripture wouldn't leave that out. Not to mention that scripture is clear that Yeshua was 3 days and nights in the earth and rose on the first day of the week. So through process of elimination and knowledge of the sabbath feasts, everything gets put into to place quite easy. No twisting of scripture, no adding or taking away. Just plain & simple, makes sense. What is confusing is the church teaching that Yeshua died on friday, even without knowledge of the feasts, there is no mathematical logic to it, with Him rising on sunday. That is the real question. But the feasts give us the true answer.
Love ya, brother. shalom
 
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Their days ran from sunset to sunset and Jesus had to be crucified and buried before the day of the Passover meal for that was a High Holy day (Sabbath) and the beginning of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. In John 19:31 it says that Jesus died shortly before " the sabbath day" and that "that sabbath day was an high day". A "high day" is a special Sabbath, a Sabbath that can occur on any day of the week, not just Saturday. Wednesday evening to Thursday evening, Thursday evening to Friday evening, Friday evening to Saturday evening and then sometime before dawn on Sunday when the women arrived; he was already risen.
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Thank you, I totally forgot about that verse. Must be old age creepin' up on me. lol
 
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Feast Sabbaths are a commandment as well, it says so in all the scriptures of the feasts. Sabbath feasts are just as the weekly Sabbath. It says that by it's statement of no servile work is to be done on these feast sabbaths. But brother Lao, you have to look at the fact of the feasts, Unleavened Bread has a sabbath on the first and last day of the feast. Scripture wouldn't leave that out. Not to mention that scripture is clear that Yeshua was 3 days and nights in the earth and rose on the first day of the week. So through process of elimination and knowledge of the sabbath feasts, everything gets put into to place quite easy. No twisting of scripture, no adding or taking away. Just plain & simple, makes sense. What is confusing is the church teaching that Yeshua died on friday, even without knowledge of the feasts, there is no mathematical logic to it, with Him rising on sunday. That is the real question. But the feasts give us the true answer.
Love ya, brother. shalom
How do you know that passover was on Wednesday and did not coincide with the weekly sabbath?
 
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How do you know that passover was on Wednesday and did not coincide with the weekly sabbath?
John 19:30,31 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

He had to be taken down and buried before 6pm Wednesday because Thursday was the high Sabbath.
Wednesday (6:00pm to Thursday (6:00pm)=Passover meal, high sabbath, Feast of Unleavened Bread (24hrs)
Thursday (6:00pm) to Friday (6:00pm) (24hrs)
Friday 6:00pm) to Saturday (6:00pm)=weekly Sabbath (24hrs)
He rose sometime after 6:00pm Saturday and before dawn on Sunday the first day of the week.
 
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Feast Sabbaths are a commandment as well, it says so in all the scriptures of the feasts. Sabbath feasts are just as the weekly Sabbath. It says that by it's statement of no servile work is to be done on these feast sabbaths. But brother Lao, you have to look at the fact of the feasts, Unleavened Bread has a sabbath on the first and last day of the feast. Scripture wouldn't leave that out. Not to mention that scripture is clear that Yeshua was 3 days and nights in the earth and rose on the first day of the week. So through process of elimination and knowledge of the sabbath feasts, everything gets put into to place quite easy. No twisting of scripture, no adding or taking away. Just plain & simple, makes sense. What is confusing is the church teaching that Yeshua died on friday, even without knowledge of the feasts, there is no mathematical logic to it, with Him rising on sunday. That is the real question. But the feasts give us the true answer.
Love ya, brother. shalom
There is one reason why Luke 23:56 is referring to the 7th day Sabbath is because of this:-
Genesis 2:2
(2) And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
John 19:30
(30) When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

At the creation of the earth God ended His work on the 6th day and rested the 7th, so Christ who is God said on the 6th day "it is finished" and rested in the grave on the 7th day.