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I would be most curious to see how you come up with this in Daniel.
So even with the biblical evidence such as John 19:31 that proves that the sabbath they were preparing for was a high sabbath, not a weekly sabbath, you still want to stick to friday as the day He was crucified? I have to ask you then, have you figured a way to come up with 3 days and nights from friday to sunday morning?
So even with the biblical evidence such as John 19:31 that proves that the sabbath they were preparing for was a high sabbath, not a weekly sabbath, you still want to stick to friday as the day He was crucified? I have to ask you then, have you figured a way to come up with 3 days and nights from friday to sunday morning?
S
The problem I've always had with this theory is that according to Hebrew practice three days and nights would be four days since the fourth day would have started at sundown. Additionally all the other Gospel writers simply give us "three days" and not "three days and nights". Furthermore Christ rose on the third day not on the fourth which is what Avinu's scenario gives us.
L
If you read other texts about the third day Jesus includes His betrayal and sufferings
Mark 9:31
(31) For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.
Mark 10:33-34
(33) Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles:
(34) And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.
Luke 18:31-33
(31) Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
(32) For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
(33) And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
That means the three days and three nights begins Thursday night which is really the 6th day and ends Sunday morning or the first day when He rose
Mark 9:31
(31) For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.
Mark 10:33-34
(33) Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles:
(34) And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.
Luke 18:31-33
(31) Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
(32) For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
(33) And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
That means the three days and three nights begins Thursday night which is really the 6th day and ends Sunday morning or the first day when He rose
Brother, you know I love you. Scripture is so simple about this. Brother, thurs. night doesn't work either, because of the high sabbath. Not to mention that you still can't get 3 days & nights from thurs. night to sun. morning. And you can't use scripture that says He will rise on the third day to prove scripture wrong about 3 days and night. If it doesn't make sense to us, then we are missing something, not Yah's word.
S
I believe me and you went round and round about this very thing on another thread. Also If I had a dime for every time I heard someone say "What I just said is clearly backed up by scripture" I'd be a rich man. That statement just doesn't carry much force anymore and this particular topic is more a math/history discussion than it is a scriptural one.
So since Matt. 12:40 says 3 nights, that means it's wrong? When you talk about a day, are you talking about 12 hr. period or a 24 hr. period? As for me, when I talk about a day, it's the whole thing, not half. People need to quite splitting hairs. As I said before, you can't use scripture against scripture. Just because the other ones don't have 3 nights in them does not make Matt. wrong. For if you think that, that is possible, then that opens up a whole new can of worms that goes beyond this.
Sometimes, (and this is just my perception of some on cc) I think some on here who claim to be believers, spend more time trying to disprove or find a loophole in Yah's word, so as to justify their actions, than spending profitable time backing up Yah's word and giving a defense for the faith. Just my perception.
T
You get it wrong, like most do, because you don't know how they "counted" days back then.
They counted days like the Judicial system counts days. Here is an example:
A person arrested and put in jail on a Friday night at 11:55pm. He is to spend 3 days in jail.
The person is released Sunday morning at 1:00am, having served his 3 days in jail. It don't matter
what time you go in and what time you leave, the day counts as a day. Even though the person
arrested only spent 5 minutes in jail, on Friday, it counts as his first day. And even though
the person served only one hour on Sunday, that's his third day. The person only
served 25 hours and 5 minutes. But to the judicial system, three days.
By your reasoning, the person arrested, should be released on Monday night at 11:55pm.
That is three 24 hour cycles. They aren't counting cycles, but days. This is why so many get
it wrong. They don't know how they counted days then.
They counted days like the Judicial system counts days. Here is an example:
A person arrested and put in jail on a Friday night at 11:55pm. He is to spend 3 days in jail.
The person is released Sunday morning at 1:00am, having served his 3 days in jail. It don't matter
what time you go in and what time you leave, the day counts as a day. Even though the person
arrested only spent 5 minutes in jail, on Friday, it counts as his first day. And even though
the person served only one hour on Sunday, that's his third day. The person only
served 25 hours and 5 minutes. But to the judicial system, three days.
By your reasoning, the person arrested, should be released on Monday night at 11:55pm.
That is three 24 hour cycles. They aren't counting cycles, but days. This is why so many get
it wrong. They don't know how they counted days then.
L
Here are some Bible texts that support what you are saying, In this after 3 days meant on the third day
2 Chronicles 10:5
(5) And he said unto them, Come again unto me after three days. And the people departed.
2 Chronicles 10:12
(12) So Jeroboam and all the people came to Rehoboam on the third day, as the king bade, saying, Come again to me on the third day.
Esther 4:16
(16) Go, gather together all the Jews that are present in Shushan, and fast ye for me, and neither eat nor drink three days, night or day: I also and my maidens will fast likewise; and so will I go in unto the king, which is not according to the law: and if I perish, I perish.
Esther 5:1
(1) Now it came to pass on the third day, that Esther put on her royal apparel, and stood in the inner court of the king's house, over against the king's house: and the king sat upon his royal throne in the royal house, over against the gate of the house.
Genesis 42:17-18
(17) And he put them all together into ward three days.
(18) And Joseph said unto them the third day, This do, and live; for I fear God:
Matthew 27:62-64
(62) Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
(63) Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
(64) Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.
Notice that these texts have 3 days , preparation, Sabbath and the first day.
Luke 23:54-56
(54) And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
(55) And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
(56) And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
Luke 24:1
(1) Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
This made me really laugh. Because you want to stand on a judicial system( that you clearly have no clue about) that is of man, which even if you were right, matters not one bit. THE BIBLE SAYS, 3 DAYS & NIGHTS, so your arguement bares no weight, nor has any ground to stand on whatsoever. You can try and twist it all you want to fit your desired belief, but Yah's word is plain and simple, and that makes you just plain wrong. Like I said before, I recommend you do some studying OF THE BIBLE and quit trying to use something of man to prove your point. I have no further comment with you on this matter. Yah Bless you & shalom
Re: PASSOVER TRACKING
I use a Hebrew Calendar: Hebrew Calendar
Just change the year and view the date of Passover/Feast of Unleavened Bread.
In the Roman years 27 AD, 30 AD and 31 AD they each fell on the necessary Tuesday at sundown/Wednesday as being Nisan 14.
Also, don't forget that Y'shua died on Nisan 14 at 3 p.m. and was placed in the tomb before SUNSET. The 15th being Thursday and also the High Sabbath being 1st day of Feast of Unleavened Bread, so therefore the special ointments for Y'shua could not be purchased until Friday. However, on Friday the tomb was guarded and the women would have to continue to wait until after the 3 nights and 3 days.
PS Kind of a pet peave, but one thing I love most about a day starting at sundown is that it puts God 100% in control every single day when a day begins. So when I see someone write a day starts at 6:00 p.m. I roll my eyes at the additional law that the rabbi's have made for their own convenience. God's way always makes it in HIS TIMING, which is at a different moment every evening.
I use a Hebrew Calendar: Hebrew Calendar
Just change the year and view the date of Passover/Feast of Unleavened Bread.
In the Roman years 27 AD, 30 AD and 31 AD they each fell on the necessary Tuesday at sundown/Wednesday as being Nisan 14.
Also, don't forget that Y'shua died on Nisan 14 at 3 p.m. and was placed in the tomb before SUNSET. The 15th being Thursday and also the High Sabbath being 1st day of Feast of Unleavened Bread, so therefore the special ointments for Y'shua could not be purchased until Friday. However, on Friday the tomb was guarded and the women would have to continue to wait until after the 3 nights and 3 days.
PS Kind of a pet peave, but one thing I love most about a day starting at sundown is that it puts God 100% in control every single day when a day begins. So when I see someone write a day starts at 6:00 p.m. I roll my eyes at the additional law that the rabbi's have made for their own convenience. God's way always makes it in HIS TIMING, which is at a different moment every evening.