GOOD FRIDAY?

[CanadaNZ]

We must take all verses into consideration on the subject
Matthew 16:21
(21) From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
Matthew 17:22-23
(22) And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:
(23) And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.
Matthew 20:18-19
(18) Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
(19) And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.

Notice that these verses include Him being betrayed and suffering so then since it was Thursday night He was betrayed that means the 3 days and 3 nights would be:-
Thursday night, Friday
Friday night, Saturday
Saturday night, Sunday

Jesus did not say anything about 3 days and 3 nights in the process of salvation, but very specifically "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." This is not including anything but his time in the tomb. So again either Jesus is a liar or he did not die on Friday.

 

[Laodicea]

Jesus did not say anything about 3 days and 3 nights in the process of salvation, but very specifically "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." This is not including anything but his time in the tomb. So again either Jesus is a liar or he did not die on Friday.

Jonah was alive in the whale also the heart of the earth could be a reference to Jerusalem, also look at the meaning of heart

G2588
καρδία
kardia
kar-dee'-ah
Prolonged from a primary κάρ kar (Latin cor, “heart”); the heart, that is, (figuratively) the thoughts or feelings (mind); also (by analogy) the middle: - (+ broken-) heart (-ed).

 

[CanadaNZ]

Jonah was alive in the whale also the heart of the earth could be a reference to Jerusalem, also look at the meaning of heart

G2588
καρδία
kardia
kar-dee'-ah
Prolonged from a primary κάρ kar (Latin cor, “heart”); the heart, that is, (figuratively) the thoughts or feelings (mind); also (by analogy) the middle: - (+ broken-) heart (-ed).

Look at the words you are using. . ."could be", your stretching and you know it. You are trusting in Tradition more than your bible, "hear of the earth" is a chunk, you can make the bible say anything if you focus on a word our of the context it is in.

The truth is as long as you remember, believe and thank God for his sacrifice, why does it matter what day you do remember/celebrate. I am still going to church on Good Friday, I am not going to push my church to change the tradition, why?? Because its about "Principals and Methods"! The Principal is remembering Jesus' death, the method is much less important. The reality is what we remember/celebrate on Good Friday is something we should be thinking about every day, so what does it matter that people chose a friday rather than a wednesday or some other day.

 

[Laodicea]

Look at the words you are using. . ."could be", your stretching and you know it. You are trusting in Tradition more than your bible, "hear of the earth" is a chunk, you can make the bible say anything if you focus on a word our of the context it is in.

The truth is as long as you remember, believe and thank God for his sacrifice, why does it matter what day you do remember/celebrate. I am still going to church on Good Friday, I am not going to push my church to change the tradition, why?? Because its about "Principals and Methods"! The Principal is remembering Jesus' death, the method is much less important. The reality is what we remember/celebrate on Good Friday is something we should be thinking about every day, so what does it matter that people chose a friday rather than a wednesday or some other day.

I base it on this
Luke 23:56
(56) And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
Exodus 20:8-11
(8) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
(9) Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
(10) But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

 

[Laodicea]

Look at the words you are using. . ."could be", your stretching and you know it. You are trusting in Tradition more than your bible, "hear of the earth" is a chunk, you can make the bible say anything if you focus on a word our of the context it is in.

The truth is as long as you remember, believe and thank God for his sacrifice, why does it matter what day you do remember/celebrate. I am still going to church on Good Friday, I am not going to push my church to change the tradition, why?? Because its about "Principals and Methods"! The Principal is remembering Jesus' death, the method is much less important. The reality is what we remember/celebrate on Good Friday is something we should be thinking about every day, so what does it matter that people chose a friday rather than a wednesday or some other day.

While I remember what Jesus did and am thankful for it but, I do not celebrate good Friday we are only told in the Bible to remember one day
Exodus 20:8
(8) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

 

[Avinu]

There is one reason why Luke 23:56 is referring to the 7th day Sabbath is because of this:-
Genesis 2:2
(2) And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
John 19:30
(30) When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

At the creation of the earth God ended His work on the 6th day and rested the 7th, so Christ who is God said on the 6th day "it is finished" and rested in the grave on the 7th day.

Brother, just because what YHVH has in Genesis does not mean it pertains to the same thing as what Yeshua said before He died. Even as Peacefulbeliever put, (because I forgot that verse), John 19:21 clarifies the confusion on the whole matter. Just because Luke 23:56 doesn't have (it was a High Day) written in the verse doesn't mean it's not the same thing, especially since it is discussing the exact same event. And since John 19:21 clarifies that it is not a weekly Sabbath, then it is automatic that neither is Luke 23:56 or it would be a contradiction in scripture which we know is impossible. Shalom

 

[CanadaNZ]

I base it on this
Luke 23:56
(56) And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
Exodus 20:8-11
(8) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
(9) Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
(10) But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
(11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

I understand where you are getting your idea from but the truth is the numbers don't match, Jesus said he would be 3 day and 3 nights in the earth and if he didn't then he is no longer the necessary perfect sacrifice. I could speculate that they took a couple of days to prepare the spicies, but I don't know that. All I know is what Jesus himself said, all speculation is trivial.

 

[CanadaNZ]

While I remember what Jesus did and am thankful for it but, I do not celebrate good Friday we are only told in the Bible to remember one day
Exodus 20:8
(8) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

If you don't even celebrate, why do you even care? I celebrate it with my brothers and sisters because I want to share in the joy of our salvation I don't need a verse to celebrate my God and show thankfulness.

 

[JS]

PASSOVER TRACKING

Would anyone know of a way to track what days passover fell on between AD32 and AD35? An astronomy program or something similar that can go back thousands of years?

There may be further clues with this passover 'calendar'? It might even narrow down what year Christ died that way. He seems to have died the day before passover sabbath. If in AD33 for example passover fell on a Thursday and in AD30-35 it fell on a Monday, Sunday, Tuesday, Saturday...then it would be conclusive with all the information we have available.

Any thoughts or ideas?


J

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Re: PASSOVER TRACKING

Would anyone know of a way to track what days passover fell on between AD32 and AD35? An astronomy program or something similar that can go back thousands of years?

There may be further clues with this passover 'calendar'? It might even narrow down what year Christ died that way. He seems to have died the day before passover sabbath. If in AD33 for example passover fell on a Thursday and in AD30-35 it fell on a Monday, Sunday, Tuesday, Saturday...then it would be conclusive with all the information we have available.

Any thoughts or ideas?


J

i could do that...tomorrow maybe

 

[Avinu]

Would anyone know of a way to track what days passover fell on between AD32 and AD35? An astronomy program or something similar that can go back thousands of years?

There may be further clues with this passover 'calendar'? It might even narrow down what year Christ died that way. He seems to have died the day before passover sabbath. If in AD33 for example passover fell on a Thursday and in AD30-35 it fell on a Monday, Sunday, Tuesday, Saturday...then it would be conclusive with all the information we have available.

Any thoughts or ideas?

The US Naval Observatory atomic clock might be able to help with that, but I'm not for certain. Rachel may know a easier method.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

ok i think this is right...passover seders from AD 25 to AD 35...

AD 25...night of monday april 2nd
AD 26...night of friday march 26th
AD 27...night of wednesday april 9th
AD 28...night of monday april 29th
AD 29...night of saturday april 16th
AD 30...night of wednesday april 5th
AD 31...night of monday march 26th
AD 32...night of monday april 14th
AD 33...night of friday april 3rd
AD 34...night of monday march 22nd
AD 35...night of monday march 11th

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

-however- there is one catch...the jewish mathematical method of calculating dates was invented long -after- jesus' time

in jesus' time they would have determined the correct date for the seder by observing the moon phases...the seder would have taken place on the night of the first full moon in the month that the barley ripened...

here are those full moon dates from AD 25 to AD 35...

AD 25...night of sunday april 1st
AD 26...night of thursday march 21st
AD 27...night of wednesday april 9th
AD 28...night of monday march 29th
AD 29...night of sunday april 17th
AD 30...night of thursday april 6th
AD 31...night of tuesday march 27th
AD 32...night of monday april 14th
AD 33...night of friday april 3rd
AD 34...night of tuesday march 23rd
AD 35...night of monday april 11th

 

[Avinu]

Now if we just knew what yr. He actually died on the cross. But since scripture lays things out pretty simple, I would be inclined to lean towards AD 34, which would play out perfect with 3 days and night in the heart of the earth. As well as with the feast sabbath and the weekly sabbath.
Rachel, where did you get this info from? I would really love to check it out. Shalom

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

Now if we just knew what yr. He actually died on the cross. But since scripture lays things out pretty simple, I would be inclined to lean towards AD 34, which would play out perfect with 3 days and night in the heart of the earth. As well as with the feast sabbath and the weekly sabbath.
Rachel, where did you get this info from? I would really love to check it out. Shalom

there are several date calculators online where you can figure out hebrew calendar dates...and there are also moon phase calculators...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

the list of seder dates narrows down the possibilities...specifically we can rule out AD 25...AD 28...AD 29...AD 32...and AD 35...those clearly do not fit the biblical time frame...

which of the rest of the dates depends on what theory you subscribe to...the traditional view of jesus celebrating a passover seder on thursday night fits AD 26 and AD 30...personally i think AD 30 works best

there is also a view that the last supper was not actually a seder and that the passover was on friday...with jesus dying at the same time as the passover lambs were being slaughtered...i don't agree with this view but in any case it would have been possible only in AD 33

i don't agree with the theory that jesus died on wednesday either...but if that is your view then AD 31 or AD 34 would be the possible years... AD 34 seems too late though...since that would mean jesus died at the age of 38-40...and he would have started his ministry at age 35-37...which is pushing the boundaries of the statement in luke that jesus began his ministry when he was 'about thirty'

if you were to sort of combine the last two theories...you could have the passover happening on a wednesday...and that would only fit AD 27...which i think might be too early...

 

[Laodicea]

Now if we just knew what yr. He actually died on the cross. But since scripture lays things out pretty simple, I would be inclined to lean towards AD 34, which would play out perfect with 3 days and night in the heart of the earth. As well as with the feast sabbath and the weekly sabbath.
Rachel, where did you get this info from? I would really love to check it out. Shalom

Jesus died 31 AD according to the prophecy of Daniel 9

 

[GreenNnice]

Jesus died 31 AD according to the prophecy of Daniel 9

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So great, Jesus died on Tuesday march 27th, so, 'Good Friday' is really 'Arisen Friday.'

I just KNEW that the historians got it all wrong
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Rach, please recheck that arithmath please , no need to change history.

Ah, on second thought, like someone said in so many words, it's the days that matter, not the day

 

[Laodicea]

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So great, Jesus died on Tuesday march 27th, so, 'Good Friday' is really 'Arisen Friday.'

I just KNEW that the historians got it all wrong
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Rach, please recheck that arithmath please , no need to change history.

Ah, on second thought, like someone said in so many words, it's the days that matter, not the day

The calender is wrong cause it was the 6th day when he died

 

[GreenNnice]

The calender is wrong cause it was the 6th day when he died

6th day then would make it Wednesday march 28th then, Laod? Thx for clarifying things to a totally green-brains guy

Thx, Laod, more enlightenment, hey, Christ bro, you're not related to Av


. And, BTW, good job rach, researching, you're not a bible student are you